I think Nate is hungry to avenge that last penalty ridden fight
Kappman is moving up a step here, yes?
Man 3 weeks is too far away

I'm sure that Nate feels robbed to have lost his last match.
Nate is definitely champion material. He's just in a division where the guy who holds the belt doesn't seem to have any weaknesses which is a shame for Nate.
I guess it's a step up for Kampan. It's a great fight any way that you look at it though.

3 weeks is waaaay too far away.

I'm also not happy about the UFC having fights in other states and the possibility of having it in more countries.

There is nothing in this world like going to a UFC in Vegas, especially when you have good seats. Words cannot describe. Seriously.

If we agree that Nate is the favorite, Why is Kampmann even money? I don't understand why he's the only underdog on the 88 line whose odds of winning are greater than the favorite's odds of losing.

What site are you getting odds from? Can you post them?

http://www.betus.com/sportsbook/ufc_88-u.f...ines-lines.aspx

Nate was at -130 yesterday but he's at -140 now.

I don't understand why they are laying a clearly +EV bet?

Are you saying even money for one guy and -130 for another, is an arbitrage situation?

I'm just saying I don't understand why the odds are so different.

On one hand they are saying Kampmann (Even) will win 50% of the time and on the other hand they're saying Marquardt (-140) will win 58% of the time.

There may be an obvious reason, but I'm new to sports betting.

Thats the profit margin for the sportsbook aka the juice, the vig. In alot of sports its about 10% like in football where you have to bet $110 to win a $100 profit.In MMA the juice is 15%. If a fight is a coinflip at the sportsbook you will see a line like -115/-115
meaning you have to bet $115 to win $100. And yes the juice is ridculas in mma.

Ah I understand. I actually misread the line and thought they were offering a really good bet on Kampmann, but obviously they have him as worse than even money to win.

Looks like Lesnar/Kongo at 91 in November. Also Florian/Stephenson in a fight that Florian has everythin to lose and nothing to gain. And what if Stephenson wins, does he get the next crack at Penn even though he was slaughtered by him less than a year ago?

ffs. I'm going to be in Vegas that weekend, and I was praying that 91 was going to be there. LFT.

yea Portland WTF!!!!!!

Ok, just because the olympics are going on does not mean that we need to stop talking about MMA. What is wrong with you guys. Lots of sweaty men who fight in cages to discuss.

a bit of a dry season before the overload coming.


UFC 88: Breakthrough
Sep 06, 2008
WEC 36: Faber vs. Brown
Sep 10, 2008
Strikeforce: Young Guns III
Sep 13, 2008
The Ultimate Fighter 8 Debut
Sep 17, 2008
UFC Fight Night 15
Sep 17, 2008
Strikeforce At The Mansion II
Sep 20, 2008
ShoXC: Reis vs. Quach
Sep 26, 2008
Strikeforce: Payback
Oct 03, 2008
EliteXC on CBS III
Oct 04, 2008
ShoXC: Oct. 10
Oct 10, 2008
Affliction: Day of Reckoning
Oct 11, 2008
Adrenaline MMA II
Oct 18, 2008
UFC 89: Bisping vs. Leben
Oct 18, 2008
UFC 90: Silva vs. Cote
Oct 25, 2008
EliteXC on Showtime: Nov. 8
Nov 08, 2008
UFC 91
Nov 15, 2008

Anyone else really like Henderson over Tequinho? I mean, Hendo obv has the stand up and with his wrestling he should be able to avoid any strong BJJ if he wants to, right? It seems too basic, but I can't come to any other outcome.

A. Silva RNC'd him.

A. Silva might be the best fighter in the world. Hendo's wrestling, IMO, should keep him on his feet almost at will

But we're talking sbout jits and Palh is pretty good at that

And imo, A. Silva is benefitting from a weak divsion
Recall his fight with Lutter, and Lutter has no gas

Silva is awesome; but I'd like to see more of him against Top Level bjj
No doubt he's the supreme striker in mma

You can make a point for both sides. I honestly don't know what Palheres's stand up is going to be like. Silva was able to inflict striking damage and then secure a rnc on Henderson. This is a lot more effective I would assume. However, Palheres is better at BJJ then Silva. Palheres looks like a really tough guy. Brazilian Top Team is a great place to train. I wish I knew more about him other than his submission over a has been like Salavery. I don't mean that in a disrespectful way. I like Salavery a lot, but I think he is way past his prime.

You also want to factor in who the UFC wants to win. Palheres, if he puts on a great performace and submits or even does damage and gets a victory over Henderson is huge. They are looking for someone to beat or at least give Silva a run for his money. Sadly, I don't think Cote is going to be that guy.

Same is true for Griffin for Sherk. UFC definitely wants Griffin to win. I don't think Griffin has a great chance against Penn. But we know what happens in a fight with Penn vs Sherk. So the UFC wants to see Griffin win.

These are things to consider.........Not deciding factors, just part of the equation.

I agree. And not for any sense of shadiness; but more from the fighter's own motivation point of view. If you know you're perceived as a gatekeeper or recently had your chance in a deep division, well, where's your drive going to come from. It takes a more special competitor to keep it going once you're off the track.

I'm interested to see what the UFC does with Gray Maynard
He beat Frankie very decisively. MMath says he's a top contender; but obv we need to see more.
next time he fights is Oct 25 vs Rich Clementi, a serius veteran with a solid string lately
Hopefully being with Xtreme Couture does not retard his progress

Football season starting soon and unbeliveable UFC cards to boot, is this what Heaven is like?

- ELITEXC CONFIRMS KEN SHAMROCK VS KIMBO ON CBS


With less than six weeks to go before EliteXC’s next CBS-EliteXC Saturday Night Fights event, speculation has been ongoing as to who Kevin “Kimbo Slice” Ferguson will face on Oct. 4. That speculation can now be put to rest as MMAWeekly.com has confirmed with EliteXC vice president Jared Shaw that Kimbo will face UFC Hall of Famer Ken Shamrock.

Much attention was drawn recently to EliteXC’s cancelling of its Sept. 20 event in New Mexico, the company stating that it was necessary to do so to focus its promotional efforts on the pivotal Oct. 4 event on CBS.

Shaw supported that statement in confirming Ken Shamrock, saying, “We were clearing the runway for Oct. 4 and we’re landing with some heavy artillery. Kimbo emerged as king of backyard brawls and is a YouTube sensation, now he wants to lay claim to the title of ‘The World’s Most Dangerous Man.’”

Though Shamrock is well past the peak of his career – he’s currently on a five-fight losing streak – the facts are that he has a record of 26-13-2, he has been in this sport since before Kimbo left his teenage years, and the strongest part of his game, submissions, is one of the weakest areas for his opponent.

“Shamrock is by far the toughest test of Kimbo’s young career,” added Shaw. “He is no stranger to big, tough fights. Ken realizes this is his opportunity to add a storybook finish to an illustrious career. He says he’s seen holes like Swiss cheese in Kimbo’s game.”

Indeed, Shamrock has been fighting since before the first Ultimate Fighting Championship event, emerging first for Pancrase in Japan before being called upon to fight in a one-night, eight-man tournament at UFC 1 that also included that night’s eventual champion, Royce Gracie… in 1993.

EliteXC is looking to capitalize not only on Kimbo’s unique appeal as a “YouTube sensation,” but also on Shamrock’s background as one of the forefather’s of the sport.

“We see a tremendous fight for the casual MMA fan that has caught on to guys like Kimbo, while at the same time appealing to the hardcore fans who have grown up with Ken Shamrock,” said Shaw.

“We feel this will test Kimbo and the maturation of his MMA game. Ken being a veteran of the game is going to look to expose Kimbo’s weaknesses. It’s time for Kimbo to show his continued growth and the knowledge that he now has, and put himself in a situation for the biggest victory of is career.”

It is no secret that EliteXC has attached itself to the popularity of the Kimbo train and wants to use that popularity to make sure that the pivotal Oct. 4 event on CBS is a ratings success. A win for Kimbo would be a tremendous boost for the promotion in the casual fan’s eyes due to Shamrock’s name recognition.

“It’s pretty simple. For Kimbo Slice, he wants to become the world’s most dangerous man and he wants to become the future EliteXC heavyweight champ. The only way for him to achieve those two things is going through Ken Shamrock,” Shaw stated.

But what happens if Shamrock derails Kimbo? What does Shaw see for the future if Shamrock’s experience prevails?

“If Ken Shamrock wins this fight, he’s on top of the world again. He’s once again proven that he is the most dangerous man in the world. He beat the guy that many consider one of the most unpredictable and dangerous striker’s in the heavyweight division.”

In addition to Shamrock and Kimbo, Shaw also confirmed to MMAWeekly.com the rest of the main card, set to air live on CBS. Jake Shields will make the first defense of his EliteXC welterweight title when he faces British fighter Paul Daley, Gina Carano returns to face Kelly Kobald, and Benji Radach makes his promotional debut fighting former EliteXC middleweight champion Murilo “Ninja” Rua.

If time permits Shaw added that a second female bout, between Cristiane “Cyborg” Santos and Yoko Takahashi, would also air on CBS.

SO sad. 2-8 in his last ten fights and they're going to hype this up like a big deal. It has Don King boxing promoting written all over it.

The only non gimmick fight on that card is toast as KJ Noons is refusing to fight Diaz. I will be watching the Kimbo fight close for any signs of shenannigans. If it goes to the ground this time Kimbo will be tapping.

Quoted for WAT??? That might have been one of the most retarded things I've read in a while.

I'll watch on Showtime

Well as sad as it is, he sort of will be on top of EliteXC at least. They'll continue their Ken Shamrock the legend rave and he'll get another main event, which is so far from his current talent that it's not even funny.

it is sad that the promoter makes silly statements like that. Anyone that watched Shamrock's one and only fight in EliteXC knows better. But, you gotta say stuff you don't believe to get butts in the seats. It's all business.

This will be a curious challenge for Slice though. Shamrock has to shoot in right away and get him to the ground, but won't he be giving up 30lbs? That's a big number. I think the draw is "Can Kimbo avoid the takedown and submission" so that should make it interesting to watch. If Shamrock stands and bangs, he's a moron. If Slice loses, I still think people will have a morbid curiousity because he does swing for the fences.

Also, Jake Shields is on the card and he's a solid fighter. If Diaz v Noons and Carrano v Cyborg were on it, it would be a rather solid card, but sadly, that's their entire roster.

Both Lister and Maia are ADCC champions. It's kind of hard to say there are no top level BJJ guys at 185. I don't think either of them can beat Anderson though. I don't really think anyone at 185 can.

Sounds more and more that it will be Rampage and Shogun at 91 in November. I wonder if they are holding off any plans for Wandy just in case Chuck loses to Evans and they need a big name for Griffin?

It won't be rigged, but it'll look bad enough to be a set up.

Did you see Ken's last fight against a scrub? He basically stood there. Just no explosiveness left. He will be ended quickly and brutally.

I'm not sure if you think I said there are no top level jits guys at 185.

He did a nice job of avoiding damage against Henderson and Lutter early. At least there seems to be a possible template to beat him. Not that anyone has the tools + physical to get it done.

Whoa, if true this would be huge!

http://mmabay.co.uk/Story%20LesnarlinedupforCouture.html

It makes a lot of sense and is completely logical.

OK so I just saw the other day that the UFC is coming to my hometown of Portland, Oregon. The tix aren't on sale yet, but anyone have a clue how much they may run for. I dont have much money right now but I'm curious to how much I would need to save.

Also are any of you high rollers going to make the trip out here? The best casino in the area is about 1.5 hours from Portland, Spirit Mountain, not sure what they spread though. But there is another group of small Indian casinos about 25 minutes north of Portland in Washington. They spread 3/6 and 4/8 kill games, a 10/20 with many regs in it, and a new 5-150 spread limit game as well. I heard its juicy but haven't been to those casinos in over a year, new son and all.

I would be looking for someone to go with to the fights, but cant afford the better seats. I would love a meet up here in town as well if any of you come in. I dont know how much $$ I'll have then, I am just getting back on my feet after losing my job early this summer.

Lemme know,
Cody

I would say they would start at about $79 upper upper level..

Could see it happening but just not in Portland. That is a fight the could possibly beat there live gate records and rival Lidell/Ortiz 2 for ppv buys. Seems more like a Vegas new years or Super bowl weekend caliber fight. At Coutures age its time to shit or get off the pot so If he is coming back it has to be soon

hmmm now mmajunkie is running a story on there front page aboout Couture coming back to fight 1 more time for the UFC as part of an out of court settlement. Brock could be Dana's welcome back/going away gift. Could backfire on Dana as I give Couture a 50/50 shot.

I can't see Randy being 50/50. His wrestling is not an advantage against Brock and he loses some in power/ explosiveness unless he's done a ton of training on being on his back I really don't think he takes this.

I give Couture a shot just because of his expirience, cageyness and intelegence. It seems all the guys at extreme couture always come in with a perfect well thought out gameplan. And a well thought out gameplan can work against a guy who is still so raw. It will be very difficult to overcome what will probally be a 60-70 weight disadvantage but if anyone can its Randy.

It's funny, when Lesnar lost to Mir everyone said that Randy would walk right through him. Now people see things differently. I'm curious to see what kind of lines they would make for that fight.

I think Brock probally attracts more casual money than any other fighter so its good if you think Randy's gonna win. I suspect Lesnar will probally be around -200.

Brock would be SO much bigger. He would obviously have to clean things up aka don't throw an awful flying knee, but his right has come at all the right times and he's used it fine. I would think Randy would be a pretty sizable dog here.

I agree but then there are also many casual fans or mma fans from the last few years who believe Randy is the be all-end-all. Which makes me laugh when I see on some boards talk of Randy destroying Fedor etc.

I thought Mir was a bad match up for Lesnar because of his BJJ which is something Couture isn't exactly known for. A lot of the strengths that Randy has at the hw level are Brock's strengths as well but he's younger, bigger, strong and quicker.

I do agree with Grocery however that a strength for Couture is his ability to formulate a solid game plan so you can never count him out.

From the betting side Brock's been a fav for his two fights and I believe Randy has been the dog in his last two so I'd expect it to stay the same.

I rented Redbelt.

I'll let you all know how it was. Please, don't spend all day on the edge of your seats waiting for my review.

I'm more excited about Lesnar vs the winner of Nog v Mir.

MMA >>>>>>>>>>>> SuperBowl ainec


Wooooooooooooooooooooo!

I know Randy gameplans well but w/ his skill set what would his gameplan be against Brock? Seems like Brock would be too strong to pin against the cage, and Randy's wrestling would be negated.


FWIW, I think Randy was way in the wrong in his whole UFC dispute and have no problem w/ them squeezing him. Plus he'd get destroyed by Fedor anyway.

While Lesnar vs Couture certainly seems like a New Years/Super Bowl type of match up...the problem UFC is having is that they have no main event for the Portland show. Everyone they would want to put in that spot wont be ready til Dec/Jan so they have to come up with something. They will do huge buisness in Oregon. Portland is a big MMA town and Randy has lots of local connections including Team Quest starting out in Gresham, OR which is a suburb of Portland. This will probably be the second biggest money match they could get signed behind Randy vs Fedor.

The UFC doesn't make that much money on the venue itself. It all comes down to PPV sales.

In terms of marketing the event, they would like to have Randy fight in Oregon because that is where he is from. And if they did a countdown they might be able to throw some sort of spin in there.

In truth, the UFC has a ridiculous amount of talent to choose from.

Cote vs Silva is a main event. And that is not going to be an exciting fight to watch once Silva connects. In fact it should be very short like all of Silvas fight. Yes, there is always the chance that Cote gets a KO, but I can't see that happening. Anything is possible.

Fights like Stout vs Fisher, Griffin vs Edgar, etc make for exciting fights. They just need to find someone, shouldn't be that hard really.

I just dont see how Lesnar wins 1 fight over a non top 10 opponent and gets a title shot. There has to be a different HW that desreves it before Lesnar.

I'll try to think of who though

Anderson Silva's second fight in the UFC was for a title shot. Of course he had already proven himself in Pride and had beaten various UFC fighters over there, but he jumped up the ladder pretty quick. MW and HW are pretty weak divisions comparitively speaking.

Nog and Lesnar should be a good fight. Nog takes a lickin and keeps on tickin, so he is a hard guy to beat and is very dangerous off his back.

Gonzaga and Kongo are hit and miss fighters. They both have the potential to beat Lesnar. It just depends on the nature of the fight.