This is kind of funny. Tito is way past his prime. The guy is not a great fighter anymore. I see Tito hand picking his opponents to make himself look good. If Affliction keeps picking up fighters that are on the downswing of there career it's -ev. Obviously Fedor is still doing quite well. But Affliction could be in danger if they're banking on Tito. The fact that he sees himself as having a huge fan base with a 500k ppv buy is pretty funny imo.

Ok, enough of this nonsense. We have a UFC that is coming up on Saturday.

I'm pretty conflicted on Lesnar vs Herring.

I am pretty confident Lesnar is gonna win, I am just not happy with the price at this point.

I originally was very much in the Lesnar camp in winning this fight. I wouldn't bet the fight due to the line, but I liked Lesnar.

Then I saw Herring fight Nog and I may be changing my tune. He ROCKED Nog in that fight w/ a kick to the head and imo made a huge mistake by not finishing the fight. At the price of +230 (I think that was the last line I saw) I am starting to think that is the route to go. Again...w/ Herring at least we have seen him fight more than twice. With Lesner..we saw him land some blows but ultimately get submitted rather easily.

Also...since 2002 Herring has lost to Fedor (TKO Cut), Cro-Cop (In 2003 When Cro-Cop was still good via strikes), Nogs Twice (Anaconda Choke and Decision), Sam Greco (Knee Injury...so sorta doesn't count in my book), and Jake O'Brien (Decision). I see 2 "bad" losses...and 1 of those was an injury. the rest were losses against the best of the best heavyweights. His wins are hardly impressive w/ the best being over Goodrich and Kongo. Last...of his 28 wins 16 are submissions.

So how will Brock win? Well...it seems only Cro-Cop was able to beat him w/ strikes. (Fedor too I guess since the fight was stopped due to a cut) So can Brock KO him? Throw in that fact that well over 50% of his fights that he won were via submission...and I am really thinking that betting Herring is the "smart" bet.

That's just my 2 cents!

I still think Brock can win by strikes. I think the way it plays out is if/when the ref stops. I think we all expect Brock to take down Heath and give those punches/hammer fists. It just depends how much the ref will let him take early, then maybe Brock gases.

Also, back to the Fedor stuff, in Randy Cotoure's book he says Fedor was offered 1.5M signing bonus and 2M$ per fight.

so the last GSP fight was the first time I had seen a complete MMA fight and I have been whatching alot of fights on the net and learning a bit about who were the bigs names in the sport. I check out a bunch of the title bouts and a few players careers and just tonight I whatched some of the firsts UFC's on youtube. The way this sport developed is so awesome, Royce Gracie dominated those and it was cool to see those fights. What i want to know is what fights do you reccomend I watch. I want to know about the ones that marked the history of the UFC, which fights are the 'epic ones', which ones are your favorite...

Historic (like boxer vs jiu-jitsu)
Best fight
Favorite fight

?

Some of my favorite fights from the last couple years
Wanderlei Silva vs Chuck Liddel(just to of mma's biggest names slugging it out to the end, absolutely no ground work here)

Jon Koppenhaver vs Jared Rollins(it was on the season six ultimate finnale, back and forth and a surprise unlikely ending, both guys left it all in the octagon)

Forrest Griffin vs Stefan Bonner(this is the fight that is credited fro mma and th UFC taking off when they did)

Randy Couture vs Tito Ortiz(nothing spectaclure but I just like watching Tito get his ass kicked for 5 rounds, Randy just smacked his ass like a baby the last 15 seconds or so of the fight.lol)

All of Anderson Silvas Fights(they ussually dont last long but that guy is a nasty human being)

One of the most spectacular 40 seconds or so fight is Kevin Randleman Vs Fedor Emeleinko in Pride. Fedor gets slammed head first into the mat and comes back to quickly submit Randleman. Also some hillarious color commentary by Rampage on the same clip.

If you only watch a couple ppvs a year this weekends is one of the best of the year. GSP vs Fitch, Brock Lesnar vs Heath Herring and probally what will be the best fight of the night Roger Huerta vs Ken Florian. Fitch has proven to be the no brainer #1 contender and has beaten everyone they have put in front of him but GSP is just in a class by himself.

I've seen proboably all but 3 or 4 UFCs; but obv can't recall all
Unfortunately, I've seen less PRIDE or other orgs.

Huerta vs Garcia
Wanderlei Silva vs Rampage
Frank Shamrock vs Igor Zinoviev
Guida vs Griffin
Griffin vs Edgar
Matt Huges vs Carlos Newton
Sakuraba vs the Gracies
Sakuraba vs Wanderlei Silva
Bas Rutten
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira "Big Nog"
BJ Penn.

I'd name a ton more but those were on the tip
some UFCs around 13? suffered from boring 30 min stalemates.

Severn vs Coleman might be worth watching, early legends

“I don’t think he does (have legal issues) any more,” White said. “The reality is, once we got the diagnosis of what happened, they psychologically evaluated him for over 72 hours. The police were very involved in this whole thing. The place he went to, the police took him to. They diagnosed him and treated him and then he was fine. The reality is, had he been drunk or on drugs or just went out on a rage and terrorized like he did, I think it would have been bad. What he did was, he literally was sick and had delirium.

“That car wreck? The reality is, he knocked her mirror off. The airbags didn’t open. There was no trauma done to her. You know what I mean? That one is out there like, ‘He hit her and she lost her baby.’ It was a week later. He knocked her mirror off her car. Rampage said, and he’ll tell you when you talk to him, ‘I care about everybody. I care about all life. I would never hurt anybody.’

“That’s the way he is,” White said. “Now he’s in a situation where somebody’s trying to civil sue him and make some money. Absolutely not. Absolutely not, this is not a criminal thing. No way. I’m not lawyer and I’m no judge (but) this stuff will be worked out in the court.”

at least Dana seems sympathetic......











































towards Rampage

Performity agrees with me the Kenny and Brock is the play; although he is even more convinced.

He gives Fitch no shot. Same as all you said; and implying Kos is better at all but JJJ that Jon, so why should St Pierre have a challenge

I can never seem to find the link to where he posts for upcoming fights.........

Oh and are performify and performity the same person?

http://mmajunkie.com/news/5003/performifys...-for-ufc-87.mma


and yes, I just spell poorly.

Brock's line improved, so I think a play there is right now.. here's what I'm on...

-Brock -230
-Florian -155
-GSP -260

I agree with all 3 but am only betting GSP and Brock unless the line on Kenny drops to -130 range. Nothing else on the entire card really jumps out at me as a screaming value.

THe key part of this though, is that Herring usually uses arm locks or choke holds for submissions. I've watched Heath fight for a long time and I can't remember the last time he used a leg submission against anyone of a decent skill level(and w/o checking wiki, I literally can't remember when he last used a lower body submission). Brock should be able to defend against arm and choke submissions. Wrestlers when they start out are always susceptible to leg locks like Mir used

Thanks for the link. I've seen his name spelled both ways.

He gives pretty good insight. I don't necessarily agree with everything that he says. But he certainly has put some thought into it.

But after Mir I think he would have practice defense of leg locks

These Countdown shows are so crazy. They make every fight seem like they are even money, it blows my mind, lol.

and you don't think he practiced leg locks before fighting mir? He's not going to get to a brown belt JJ level in several months in defending leg locks

It's a lot easier to learn submission defense than it is to learn submissions. I don't like Lesnar as a person, but when I watched him fight, he was ridiculously explosive. That is one of the few times that I felt truly lucky to book a win. He got Mir to the ground twice if I remember correctly. The first time was a strike, the second time was a takedown, or vice versa. Either way, the guy is a beast. Now Bob Sapp was a beast as well. But Lesnar is athletic and seems to have true talent. He ran a 40 yard dash in 4.7 secs when he was 290 lbs. Herring is a tough guy. And he has been battle tested. But he has lost the majority of his big battles. I think that Lesnar is simply going to overwhelm Herring. Of course I could be wrong.....

Anyway, here are my picks.

GSP
Lesnar
Huerta

(Not sure about anything on the undercard/other fights)

I'm pretty excited for this card, wish i could have gotten up to Minneapolis this weekend to see it. I think Fitch is going to give GSP more problems than most of you seem to, but I wouldn't bet on it either way. I like Huerta over Florian, and I really don't care much about the Lesner/Herring fight. Neither guy gets me excited, but they might surprise me and put on a good show.

I think that Fitch will be one of if not the biggest challenge for GSP to date. BJ Penn was a tough fight as well, but that was awhile ago. Fitch is not as good as GSP. But he has a ton of heart. I can't see Ftich quitting. Based on talent alone. Fitch is completely outclassed. But I always question the heart of GSP. It worries me when his corner says the GSP is not a blood and guts fighter. Then again, Anderson Silva is not really a blood and guts fighter either. I hope that Fitch doesn't dishearten GSP with the amount of punishment that he can withstand. Should be a great fight. I see this going the distance.

Unlike his last 2 fights I see GSP keeping this one standing where he has the big advantage against Fitch. If it does go the distance i beleive that would mean that Fitch wins.

I see more of the same For Brock. i think he takes Herring down right away and pounds him out within a minute.

Kenny Florian by RNC in the 3rd.

I think GSP will dominate Fitch. He's simply on a different level than Fitch. Fitch in a sense is tailor made for GSP, because he does nothing better than him. Fitch doesn't have amazing standup or KO power. He's grinding type fighter that outworks you. That's not going to cut it against someone like GSP who has rediculous talent and shows up in peak physical condition every fight. GSP will control where this fight goes and it'll likely be on the ground with GSP on top. We might even see GSP open up with more striking this fight, because I don't think he really will fear Fitch's standup. I don't see GSP losing this fight in any way.

I see Florian beating Huerta. Florian's fought the better competition and is the more skilled fighter by far. Huerta has beaten nobody of any real significance and has looked vulnerable in just about every UFC fight he's been in. This is against lower tier competition as well. He's just nothing special to me and I don't think he's an elite fighter. Huerta is very tough though and this fight might go a decision, but I see Florian winning it.

Herring versus Lesnar is interesting. I'm picking Herring here. Lesnar has proven nothing so far, him beating on Mir for a bit does nothing for me. Mir always takes a beating and hasn't looked good for a long time. I'm picking Herring mainly, because Lesnar will be tested this fight. I don't see Lesnar walking through Herring, so his cardio, his heart and his chin will be tested. I just think Herring has a good shot of pulling off the upset here, because of his experience and durability. He's also coming into this fight in good shape for once. I think this fight plays out with Lesnar starting out strong and really taking it at Herring, but I see Herring being able to weather the storm. Lesnar will then get tired and a bit sloppy and get caught.

That was also when BJ took things less seriously, if they fought today I'd take Penn without a doubt.






I'm fairly sure I heard that exact same thing being said before GSP's first fight with Serra. I think Fitch is a much better fighter than Serra.

But GSP has also improved his game considerably since the Penn fight. It would/will be a superfight.

Ok you can take Penn and I will take GSP. Lets remember that come fight time. Even money.

Agreed on BJ. I think he's P4P the best fighter in the world.

Nothing is ever certain, the better fighter doesn't always win. GSP went into that first Serra not right mentally and he got clipped. Could it happen against Fitch? Sure, but I'd say it's highly unlikely as I don't think Fitch has KO'd anyone before standing. Styles also makes fights and in a fight where one fighter has every physical and skill advantage, it's hard to pick against him. The only edge you might give to Fitch is mental toughness, which isn't enough.

GSP wasn't right mentally for the Serra fight, but it doesn't change the fact that Serra has KO power. Fitch does not. I will be twice as shocked to see GSP lose to Fitch as I was to see him lose to Serra.

Like I said before, if I was in GSP's camp and saw what mental and physical state he was in I would consider betting a very large amount of money on him. If he comes into this fight in the right state of mind, there is virtually no way Fitch beats him.

I stand by my pick of Herring if he can get through the first round.

Florian/Huerta is just such a hard fight to call. I can see Huerta's layoff both helping and hurting him. Florian is just such a smart fighter I don't know that he will give Huerta too many openings. If Huerta gets into trouble at any point I think Florian puts him away, unlike Huerta's past opponents. Like Jayboogie said, Huerta has looked vulnerable in almost every fight up until this point so it would make sense for someone as smart and talented as Florian to put him in that position again. It's well established Florian knows how to finish fights. Huerta keeps a ridiculous pace though and the last time Florian fought someone like that he was taken down at will and lost to Sherk. Obv Sherk and Huerta are two completely different fighters though. Intensity the same, just different styles.

I hadn't planned on staying up for this one because I have a 56 mile ride starting at 7AM tomorrow morning, but I might have to call in sick for that.

Speaking of Sherk, did anyone else see the announcement of Tyson Griffin and Sherk for UFC 90 Oct 25th?
Also, Martin Kampmann vs Nate Marquardt here in Atlanta on Sept. 6th

<---------huge Martin Kampmann fan. If he can stay healthy I honestly think he can give Anderson Silva some problems.

Wow, I'm really conflicted on the Herring vs Lesnar fight.

Ok, I've done this before, and I will do it again. Let me ask you this..........If the fight was even money, who would you pick?

Just watched the weigh ins here and it is pretty funny how many guys can't keep their shorts up because of how much water weight they drop.

Florian and Fitch looked pretty frickin dehydrated to me. Herring looked like he put on a good bit of muscle which I am not sure was a good move. Maybe he is just more defined because of being in better all around shape, but he just looked bigger than usual.

I am pretty pumped for this card. I really wish they could show the entire cards on these PPV's or even on a later replay.

I would still have to bet on Herring at even money seeing as I think he will win anyway. I surely wouldn't risk much though. I would rather take that money and put it on GSP.

My upset of the night is Dan Evensen over Cheick Kongo.

Changed things up and picked Florian. He always looks dehydrated btw.

Ugh, I hate having all favorites, lol.

Good luck to everyone.

good stuff guys.

I only got a chance to check out the Griffin vs Bonar fights, good stuff.

I question your fanhood.




yep, seems to be a ton of good fights in 88-90.

http://www.youtube.com/user/doliveij
Shogun says he is likely fighting Rampage in December. Now what for Wanderlei?

yeah, I'm not so sure Rampage needs to be fighting soon.

Backed off Lesnar and put it all on GSP.
GL everyone.

Backed off all my bets and put it all on me being wasted by the time the main event starts.

Well it's nice to be winning again. 4-0 clean sweep.

Kongo looked better in his fight, much more poised. I'm a little shocked at how much Lesnar dominated, I thought Herring would put up a better fight. I want to see Lesner finish a fight, but this is a step in the right direction for him.

I think Fitch might have more heart than anyone I've seen, GSP should have finished that fight so many times I'm shocked that he didn't. It's a little disappointing GSP jumped out to such a dominant first round because I think Fitch could have put up a better fight if he didn't get so rocked the first round.

at Manny getting knocked out in 12 seconds.

Seconded, 3-0.

Brock vs. who? How long before he gets a title shot if he runs through people like this?

Lesnar seemed very cautious but the guy is a beast and has a ton of potential and man can Fitch take a beating. Over all I was very pleased with the card.

Weeeeeee sounds like everyone made out ok

The card was outstanding as predicted.
Kenflo just picked apart Huerta on there feet and Huerta lacked the extinct to atack.

Lesnar was the big physical beast that I thought he would be. Not enough of an attack from the top but good to see im using knees and being paitient. With Mir, Nog, Werdum all tied up with fights for the next several months I predict it will be Brock vs Kongo next.

GSP/Fitch. Outstanding fight. Fitch showed alot of heart and solid chin. GSP rallied through adversity and outclassed him on there feet and more than held his own on the ground. I cant beleive none of the judges gave Fitch round 2. I would take GSP over Penn up to about -200.

edit: I found the showboating By Lesnar in the first and at the end of the fight to be classless and inmature. That shit belongs back in the WWE. As an imprssive a specimen Lesnar is I dont think there is a whole lot going on upstairs.

I think the more Lesnar trains, the sooner he'll finish a UFC fight. He just made Herring his bitch tonight and we've yet to see him at his peak. Even with the wear and tear of being a Pro Wrestler, his body looked in absolute peak physical condition. While it was just Heath Herring, he was very much in control the entire fight and made Herring his bitch

I was very impressed by fitch as GSP just brought about an ole fashioned beat down, but yet Fitch kept up in there while taking that beat down




he'll probably fight another two or three fights, but the more he develops the scarier he gets. I'm still not sure at this stage(as in the next 24-36 months) he can beat Nog, but with time, he'll certainly grab the belt and hold it for a very very very long time. I really don't think that MMA has seen an athlete at his level


I really enjoyed tonights PPV, a lot more action then I thought going into it, and we saw some good beat downs. I think that Maia was a bit too arrogant in putting himself in dangerous positions, and he really needs to work on his GnP so that he can finish fights when he can't get the sub

worth every penny

I thought that Brock was hillarious. The guy still acts like a WWE wrestler with his ridiculous antics. I personally can't stand him at all, and I think he needs to change his ways. Having said that, he is a monster. He is going to give a lot of people problems in his division.

Ftich is like Rocky. Sadly he just doesn't have the tools to get the job done against someone like GSP.

After watching the Lesnar fight, I'm actually sad that Tim Silvia is no longer in the UFC. I would love to see that big goof get taken down like that.

I though Kongo looked awful, fwiw. He had no clue what to do on top when he took down a guy who had no clue how to defend from the bottom. He should have been able to finish that can much earlier.

I didn't like Lesner's antics, but maybe he knows what he's doing. Being a heel might sell PPVs and I'd imagine his contract has something to do with increased PPV buys. Just a theory.

Not everyone can be a cookie cutter personality. If they were, it would be boring. Someday, he'll showboat and someone will catch him with some move and snap his arm. Then we'll all have a chuckle.

All the Lesnar wwe antic's stuff, It's not like he's the only guy to act like a dick after a fight. Let's remember though he is one of the few people in the business that knows what it takes outside of the cage to sell ppv's.

That being said he was apparently livid at Herring as Herring had been pretty vocal to Dana etc about how he felt he deserved better then having to fight Brock.

lol, chris you hit it on the head with him acting the heel and it still pisses both of you off, so he's definitely doing something right. I can garuntee you that Tito was able to sell more PPVs by acting the heel and its what made tito the draw that he was