Silva and Chuck Fight has been in the making for years long before the "MMA Boom".

Ortiz does talk alot and the hype of Ortiz through the beginning of MMA had alot to do with this. Machida showed up late on the scene and wasnt well known. What got Ortiz as the favorite was the las Chuck/Tito fight during the "MMA Boom" and all the press that was behind it and that was when Chuck was title holder and the franchise guy. Will Machida ever be at that level maybe, but for now he will have to wait for his time.

Alot of people who go to UFC events dont know a ton about MMA thats why marketing and exposure is key. And thats why Machida and Anderson Silva arent household names there has not been much Explosion in Marketing for anyone really except Chuck, Rampage, Vanderlei, Shogun, Matt Hughes, and now they are working on Forrest, and Penn. The 205 is their money and they have always favorited this weight class. But with all the changes in titleholders I think that they need to exploit all weight classes equally!

I disagree

So I'm starting to do some early anaalysis of the next UFC.

I honestly don't see how GSP can lose. Everything that Fitch does, GSP does better. I guess my only question is GSP's chin. But BJ Penn certainly has heavier hands than Matt Sera, so that had to have been a fluke. It's MMA and anything can happen, but I have no clue how Fitch wins this one.

Lesnar Vs. Herring is an intersting fight. I think there is some value in Herring. I would like to see the fight with O'Brien and Herring though. I don't think I've seen that. If Ihave, I don't remember. I know that Herring lost, and that worries me because O'Brien is a wrestler.

Florien Vs. Huerta. I actually think that Huerta is a slight favorite. This fight will come down to who wants it more.

So is it true Silva vs Cote will be added in the October card with Leben vs Bisbing? This would be awesome.

Edit: Also this video is Ridic, Andre Galvao is is a really sick BJJ guy, this is a video of him getting pissed off at the 2008 worlds and just straight up humiliating a black belt :

http://www.grapplemonkey.com/2008/06/10/an...in-2008-worlds/

I'm hearing Silva/Cote will likely be added to the UFC 88 card.

Yeah Galvao is sick. The other guy went for an illegal submission and it pissed him off. The guy was so discouraged, he more or less just gave up.

Wow, could you imagine if something like that happened in the UFC? I think the crowd would go nuts. He's just spinning on that guys back and doing somersaults and getting into a mount position. Bizarre to say the least.

there was a guy on our wrestling team in high school that was just so much better than anybody else in the district. when he wrestled anybody, he basically had to do the same thing since there wasn't any competition in it. most of the times he'd just do a move of some sort, take the guy down, get some back points, and let him back up. I always felt bad for the other guy. (probably because I sucked and could empathize.)

That was awesome, why has nobody tried that in a fight? Automatic round winnar! (sw)

Same. What a sick card that'll be.

Chuck/Rashad
Silva/Cote
Hendo/Palhares
Franklin/Hammil
Parisyan/Yoshida

I will use the Parisyan fight to go fix a snack.

Wow, that's pretty shocking. That could be one of the best fights by far. Parisyan is a very talented fighter. I don't care for his personality all that much, but I think he is truly talented.

I find the judo fighters to be the least entertaining of all the disciplines. You have two great judo fighters here. Could be a snoozefest imo but I will probally be wrong.

With both being "Great" other skills will be the factor, making this a good match up as well as a possible great match.

The prospect of A Silva v Machida makes me feel wet, if anyone hasn't mentioned this potential matchup... in the distant future i guess. now that would be a fricken title fight.

They both train at Black House and won't fight each other. Silva has said the reason he doesn't want to go for the 205 belt is because of Lyoto and a potential match up.

so you are back ?

I scanned the last few pages and didnt see anything related to this so sorry if it has been covered.

How the hell was the Hermes Franca fight the fight of the night?

It was a forgetable night.
Which fight would you pick?

Well I look at it like this if individual fight replays for the night were say $3.99 and I had a $3.99 credit and had to use it on one of the fights I wouldnt use it on this fight. I rather watch the Markham fight or even the Silva/Irvin fight (even how short it was). The Franca fight was boring all the way through except the last few seconds when Edgar almost got KO and held on for the win. Just those few seconds I dont think constitute a fight of the night bonus.


Edit: Dont get me wrong Edgar did follow his game plan perfect however the score cards were WAY in his favorite and I think a fight of the night should have been something that took the fans out of their seats. This fight did not.

it had a bit of back and forth feel to it. Maybe
I was surprised by Edgar after seeing him against Maynard.

Yeah me too, but Franca looked flat and was not in shape Cardio wise.. Probably alot to do with the roids and has to rebuild his foundation so much he didnt focus on the cardio. Franca on roids or at or near the level he was at on roids Edgar would have been destroyed.

I put the rest of my sad roll on Nick Thompson, at +250, over Jake Shields.

Honestly I thought the fight was going to be a lot closer. Roid or no roids, I can't believe how inactive Franca was off his back. I've really been impressed by Griffen and Edgar. Both of them have pretty good stand up and excellent submission defense. The wrestling they use as a base works incredibly well in MMA. I'd like to see either one of them fight Sean Sherk. But sadly I don't think that will happen. A fight like that moves someone closer to the belt. And if Sherk wins, he brings nothing to the table for BJ.




I like the price that you got a lot. However I think that Shields wins this fight. It could be a close fight where it appears that it should be right around even money. But at the end of the day, Shields is the better fighter imo.

According to nbcsports.com:

Anthony Johnson suffered a controversial TKO loss to Kevin Burns at last weekend’s UFC event, but his camp fully plans to appeal. Johnson appeared to be winning the fight in the third round when Burns caught him with fingers to the eye during an exchange.

Johnson immediately fell down, and although Burns hesitated, the referee apparently didn't see the illegal strike, and Burns followed up on the ground for a TKO.

NBCSports.com spoke with his agent, Ken Pavia, who said an appeal is imminent.

“I think we’ve found some persuasive evidence for an appeal,” he said. “Initially, we were told there’s not a provision that would empower [the Nevada State Athletic Commission] to overturn the decision, but we think we found some evidence to the contrary.”

Pavia said he expects to file the protest within a week.

So elitexc is on cbs tonight again, with the Lawler vs Smith rematch. Their first fight had a lot of potential and they were both looking good, I'm excited to see if it'll be the same.

EliteXC has a lot of pressure on them since their last prime time card was a joke, hopefully this card is better. I think they should get Nick Diaz every time they have a live cable fight, but that's just me.

I don't disagree. It's a gamble and I see ways for Nick to win, they are both well rounded. Probably not the best bet for the roll,

wow, lot of blood on that Mat. Looks like they picked the wrong fight not to air.

I almost forgot about that one - the damn eyepoke that ended it prematurely. Should be a good fight.

That girl turning her back and running away was awesome.

But holy shit, she's gonna kill Carano.

gl actuary

had on Spike and 89 is confirmed as free. Weird the only fight they promoted in the anouncement was Leben Bisbing when there are better fights on the card.

Is it legal to hold a guy down by the throat like Vandy just did to Jardine?

Choking is legal in mma.

I know that choking is legal, but is that kind of choking legal? He looked like a redneck trying to strangle his wife. Is a hands around the throat choke legal? I have never seen it used.

The open hand choke is banned I'm pretty sure, but he wasn't choking him, just holding him. I think they named it the rape choke, and Hughes used on Trigg in the second fight I think.

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=LearnUFC.Rules

Says grabbing the trachea is a foul. Lol at some of the rules, you cant throw your opponent out of the octagon or attack him between rounds.

I am going to try to find this fight.

EDIT: Hughes by Rear Naked Choke

I don't mean to end the fight. I'll rewatch later but I think I remember him mounting Trigg and holding his neck to hold him still.

in casse not mentioned yet (I'm taping/watching elite now, so didn't want to read anything above...) But SPIKE is reshowing UFC 84.

Wandy vs Jardine muct see.
Sherk vs Penn. <--- my fav fighter.

repeating it in 40 minutes too..

Nick Diaz really needs to find a better game plan. He just wasted that money on the plastic surgery.

I <3 Shields calling out the winner of GSP/Fitch. I am not sure if he is ready for GSP, but I sure would like to see him in the UFC to fight better competition. The Goat is no joke, but that fight was a joke.

Is it me or does it seem like every time Scott Smith gets hit anywhere near the gut he goes down in pain? CORE TRAINING FTW!

tru dat He looked thick as they noted, too.

I was hoping Shields and Thompson would have a good ground game on CBS, but it turned out to be just like the first show, a bunch of KO's, and was set up that way with the main event, the Diaz fight, and Wandy reincarnated as a woman were all meant to have knockouts. Doesn't look like it's gonna get any better on the next card, more Kimbo, sigh

it was a slicker production with everyone saying the right thing.

I enjoyed the extras in the UFC replay.

EliteXC sucked tonight. The woman's fight ended up being the best fight of the night. I doubt they end up putting Carano in with Cyborg after that showing. Shields is a beast, he's finally finishing his fights now and not just being a position dominant grappler. He'll give anyone in the world a good fight. Lawler/Smith was what you expected, both fairly limited fighters with ok striking and toughness. Diaz looked the same as he always does. I don't think I've ever seen him dominate or win a fight easily, he's always a slow starter and needs to get beat up on a bit to get into the fight. I think he's drastically overrated and is really just living off that Gomi fight still. Noons beat the crap out of him in their fight and he has beaten nobody of any significance since the Gomi fight. I'm picking Noons to beat him again, because Diaz has shown me nothing that would change the result of the 1st fight. He still has garbage takedowns and his boxing is sloppy. Good technique, but slow arm only punches and zero head movement. It's like watching rock'em sock'em robots with the way he strikes and no power behind anything he throws either.

Thankfully, the Cotto/Margarito fight saved the night. That was a great great fight. Margarito is just a machine, he wore Cotto down and ended up beating the piss out of him. Hopefully, he can now get some big fights, because he deserves them. A fight with De La Hoya would be awesome, but I think it's likely we see a rematch with Paul Williams. I'd like to see Floyd come out of retirement to fight him, but that won't happen. Floyd's ducked every legit challenger since the Castillo fights at lightweight.

Meh...the Robbie fight was okay, the Diaz fight had a great first round as far as excitement goes, not much skill though. The only reason I like Nick is because he never has boring fights, I think if he took it to the ground more he'd do better, I agree about the head movement.

Overall the show sucked, but it was better than last time. Like Dana said "the EliteXC card on CBS set MMA back about 5 years."

That cyborg chick is ridic, does anyone know if thats the chick that beat up the dude on Rio Heros? Her and Carano would be a good fight imo.

I wonder if the night before the fights, Steve Mazagatti sits in his room and tries to figure out how he could **** up and confuse everyone every time a fighter hits the ground. He's really good at that. This dude should never ref again, he's the worst.

The "Rape choke" term was first used in the Matt Hamill fight in that random fight night not too long ago. I think Rogan got in trouble for it and he didn't use it again with Wandy.

I agree the EliteXC sucks they need to stop, I dont know about all the rest it may be my cable provider but the broadcast was shit, almost fuzzy all the way through. Smith needs to do something he might have some serious issues internally to keep getting fights ended due to his mid section. The Diaz fight was perdictable, and Mazagatti is the worst Ref Ever he's so flip flop, one fight he stops because of blood next he lets it go to blood is all over the place, one minute he warns of illegal hits ( not just eye gauges) then he lets the opponent due them, he needs to be stopped. Bring back Big John.

Wandy/Jardine I think the thumb was low enough not to ubstruct the forbidden areas. As well as the fight was going in a way it wasnt to improve his position/outcome. At that point Jardine was already trashed.

Yeah, I'll always tune in when Diaz is fighting, but he's just overrated by most people because of his fight with Gomi. He should have destroyed the guy he was fighting tonight. The guy was a can and a shot fighter. He had no legs and it still took Diaz forever to finish him while he got beat on for the first couple minutes of the fight.

Mazzagatti is just terrible, I have no idea what he's thinking when he's in there. If he wasn't going to stop the fight, what the hell was he doing stepping in between the fighters when Baszler was on the ground? That was really the weirdest thing I think I've ever seen in an MMA fight.

Have you also noticed Mazzagatti will let the ground game go during the early rounds but when its the last round even if the same slow, not enough work is going on he will stand them, its shiiiittty

I bet exc did half the numbers of there last show. I hope they go away and Affliction rises as the UFCs competition. At least Affliction puts on cards full of legitament fighters and puts money into production value. Fedor vs Arlovski has been anounced for Oct 11 in Vegas. Also talk that Tito Ortiz and Babalu might be on the card.

I'd be very willing to bet that you will be wrong, Yoshida is a lot of fun to watch fight, same goes for Karo. It'll be a lot more entertaining then watching something like CB Dolloway/Jesse Taylor