This is not good enough in my opinion. First, Johnson was winning that fight with about a minute left. He would have likely cruised to a victory, so even a NC robs him of a win he should have probably had. It should be a DQ, because Burns had multiple warnings before. He likely would have been DQ'd if Mazzagatti had seen the eye poke at the end of the fight, but he missed it.

If the fighter can't continue because of an illegal blow by the opponent, why not just go to the score cards? Or are they saying that that upercut that missed was the KO blow?

If it's an illegal blow that makes the opponent unable to continue, I don't see how you can't DQ the guy. Especially if it's something he's been warned three of four times for. Huge mistake by Mazzagatti here.

mistake only because he didn't see it. Even the announcers didn't see it live. Refs aren't perfect. So they need some way to look at an obvious refereeing mistake.

Yeah, it was a mistake.. that's what I meant. I think this should obviously be over turned by UFC officials

it could be a bad precedent to DQ people for illegal blows.

If it was the first eye poke with no warnings, then a NC or going to the scorecards would be fair. There were warnings in this case, so a DQ is the right decision. It's like I said, Mazzagatti must have missed the poke, which is why he declared it a TKO win for Burns. He can't use the replays to make his decisions by rule.

Well I got crushed on this card. Sadly, I really didn't even have that good of a time either.

I lost 7 out of 10 of my picks.

Essentially I won a tiny bit on the undercard, and got ravaged on the main card.

Key losses. Anthony Johnson, Hermes Franca, Jesse Taylor, James Irvin.

The only real mistakes here were Taylor and Franca.

I got stubborn with Taylor, when others warned me that he would lose. Franca, I should have known better. Guys like Griffin and Edgar are really hard to submit.

My whole evening was literally destroyed when Johnson lost. I was in total shock and screaming from the top of my lungs that Dana should overturn the decision. It's funny, I remember saying out loud, that I want this fight to stay on the ground. Not because I was afraid of anything in particular. I just have zero faith in Mazzagati. And at least on the ground with two minutes to go, Johnson would actually have to tap in order to have the fight stopped, and I didn't see that happening.

As far as the fight being ruled a DQ or NQ, that would be great for Johnson. But for those of us who bet on him, we still lost, and some of us lost big........

These last two UFC's have put a really bad taste in my mouth.

A friend of mine who sometimes asks me for advice regarding these fights, approached me today. He asked if he thought I was able to get my winning ways back on track. Ironically, he bet on Rampage, Almeida, Stevenson, Franca, and Johnson. Truly there is only one clear mistake in that group and that is Franca. Stevenson won, and the others were just such weird decisions, that I have no idea what to say any more...........

His eye the next day. I guess he wasn't joking.



I've never seen a guy be so gracious in a bullshit defeat like that ever before. I can't believe he handled himself like that. Much respect to him.

I didn't think I would hate a ring/ropes as much as I did until after that Affliction card. Is it too late to switch to Octagon?

true dat

i can only imagine how cb dolloway would have reacted based on his reaction after actually tapping to lose

Not much to add here that hasn't been said.

The Silva KO was sik. I was actually surprised it didn't get stopped sooner. Seemed to me that it was over w/ that 1 punch and the next 5-10 shots on the ground were totally unneccasary. He wasn't "intelligently" defending himself...more like "PLEASE MOMMA MAKE THE BAD MAN STOP!!!" Glad I didn't get a price of about +450 on Irvin cuz I would have for sure lost.

Funny thing about the Markham fight. I knew very little about either guy, but in the intro's I literally said out loud to myself...scary I know..."Oh man...this dude looks like he's gonna get Knocked the phuck out!" Then sure as schit...he gets knocked cold.

Sounds like the Affliction card wasn't worth paying for...glad I didn't. Good to hear Fedor is back destroying people though.

Hey guys, I have a bunch of UFC DVD's that I need to off load for money. Things are pretty tight as I haven't been able to find a steady job. They are as follows:

UFC 53: Heavy Hitters
UFC 55: Fury
UFC 56: Full Force
UFC 58: USA vs Canada
UFC 59: Reality Check
UFC 60: Hughes vs Gracie
UFC 61: Bitter Rivals
UFC 62: Liddell vs Sobral
UFC 63: Hughes vs Penn
UFC 64: Unstoppable
UFC 65: Bad Intentions
UFC 66: Liddell vs Ortiz 2
UFC 67: All or Nothing

Will sell them for $8/per show + shipping

or the whole lot for $100 bucks


I also have the first 5 seasons of The Ultimate Fighter that I would be willing to sell too.

ebayIDTS

tried that and they didn't sell. so i thought i would offer them up to the FCPers.

QFT. If Randy and Fedor ever do meet I hope its in a cage so Randy at least has a small shot.

Anyone think Dana will now push hard to sign Fedor exclusively? Game over for the competition if they were able to get him.

He won't. He was apparently offered something like 1.5 a fight and rejected, what can Dana do about that?

Indeed...pretty sure Trump wins a battle of wallets.

1.5 mill a fight and turned it down?

Source?

Steve,

You bet enough $$ on thiese fights that losing really puts a bad taste in your mouth? Sure, some of the decisions are debateable or lousy or whatever; but I'm surprised you would let it get that far.
Horse racing is a bet, UFC is pretty awesome even without an option to bet, yes?

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Actually after Sat Night, I'm less interested in Randy vs Fedor. He's pretty much ridiculous. I guess since he's beated Nog already, it's the fight that makes sense; but I'm not jonesing for it.

I'm getting concerned about the - I don't know the words - but maybe sense of desperation. Sending feelers out for Penn vs GSP. Having Anderson fight at 205. IMO, though, it's because so many of the "fans" are in it 80-100% because of a handful of superstars, not for the sport as a whole.
I just don't want it to burn out too fast. I hope we get to see Huerta vs Penn for axample

even after Florian beats him?

I think Randy Cotoure's new book talks about this figure. Also, I know he asked EliteXC for $2 mil a fight
http://mmajunkie.com/news/4047/gary-shaw-f...n-per-fight.mma

I got a bit ahead of myself, lol
I'm more excited for a Penn v Huerta potential matchup.

Heres some lines to start working on

UFC - UFC 87 - Welterweight Matchup
8/9/08 7006 Georges St-Pierre
-265 OFF OFF

23:00 ET Jon Fitch
+205 OFF OFF

UFC - UFC 87 - Heavyweight Matchup
8/9/08 7010 Brock Lesnar
-275 OFF OFF

22:30 ET Heath Herring
+215 OFF OFF

UFC - UFC 87 - Lightweight Matchup
8/9/08 7015 Kenny Florian
-140 OFF OFF

22:30 ET Roger Huerta
+110 OFF OFF

UFC - UFC 88 - Philips Arena GA
9/6/08 8000 Fight Matchups
OFF OFF OFF

23:15 ET Fight Matchups
OFF OFF OFF

UFC - UFC 88 - Light Heavyweight Matchup
9/6/08 8005 Chuck Liddell
-240 OFF OFF

23:15 ET Rashad Evans
+190 OFF OFF

UFC - UFC 89 - London England
10/18/08 9000 Fight Matchups
OFF OFF OFF

16:00 ET Fight Matchups
OFF OFF OFF

UFC - UFC 89 - Middleweight Matchup
10/18/08 9005 Michael Bisping
-155 OFF OFF

16:00 ET Chris Leben
+125 OFF OFF




I like a big bet on GSP and a smaller one on Herring. UFC deffinatly isnt protecting Lesnar. If Herring can survive the inital rush by Lesnar i think he wins.

Ways off but I think a huge bet on Bisbing is wise.

yeah, uh, roll on Bisping.

Also, lines on BoDog are different. Fitch is +235 compared to +205, Huerta is +125 compared to +110, and Rashad is +200 compared to +190, although the favs are obv bigger favorites

How is Lesnar the favorite. Herring has a ton of experience against top competition and looked very good recently.

Also, I might like a play on Fitch here, as GSP is hit or miss, and his inconsistency has cost him before. Fitch is a very solid fighter, and GSP better show up to fight.

He's an animal. He's SOO much bigger, and so very strong, he's taking anyone down. I'm not sure Herring has the BJJ experience of Mir to beat Lesnar, as we all saw O'Brien was able to lay and pray Herring, and once Brock is on top I think it'll be hard for ANYONE to stay alive.. that beast like strength of his combined with the sick wrestling and strength seems too much for a lot of guys in the heavyweight division. IMO he hires Helio/Royce with his WWE money at $1000 a minute and learns how to not get his arm broke and take over the decision.

If Mazzagatti doesnt stop him for hitting the back of the head he ko's Mir in about 15 seconds. I think the line is too inflated for Lesnar though. Herring isnt a pushover.

Fitch is tough as nails and is gonna be tougher than Hughes or Serra but I think GSP is so much better than anyone in that divsion. Of course there always chance for a lucky punch but that happens less than 1 in 3 times by far.

it wasn't really over the money that caused him to turn it down, he wanted to still compete in the world sambo matches and there was some other stuff with his management where they didn't see eye to eye with UFC

Exactly. UFC wanted an exclusive contract where he couldn't do anything else. The Sambo stuff means a lot to Fedor, seeing as he's a national hero.

Losing any amount of money puts a bad taste in my mouth. The money is well within my br. In fact the size of the loss doesn't mean that much at all. But after literally winning on every card for two years straight, I am not pleased.

I don't ever bet on sports. MMA is the only thing that I take part in. I feel like I have an edge there. The lines they are spreading these days are getting pretty gross though.

I also don't make the same play on every fight.

The fights that really bothered me were Almeida, Jackson, and Johnson. These are fights that would have made my losses go away. And it wasn't like any of them lost decisively......

Just a little short arent we

Fedor Emelianenko: $300,000 (no win bonus)
def. Tim Sylvia: $800,000

Obviously these numbers are in his base contract, not fight/win bonuses.

This was what he got paid to fight Saturday. He had no Win Bonus attached like alot of other fighters do.


MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) today received the list of salaries from the California State Athletic Commission. The event took place this past Saturday at the Honda Center in Anaheim.

In addition to the headliners, other top earners included Andrei Arlovski ($750,000), Matt Lindland ($300,000) and Josh Barnett ($300,000).

The total disclosed payroll for the event was $3,332,100.

The full list of salaries included:

Fedor Emelianenko: $300,000 (no win bonus)
def. Tim Sylvia: $800,000

Andrei Arlovski: $750,000 (includes $250,000 win bonus)
def. Ben Rothell: $250,000

Josh Barnett: $300,000 (no win bonus)
def. Pedro Rizzo: $70,000

Mark Hominick: $10,000 (includes $5,000 win bonus)
def. Savant Young: $7,000

Renato "Babalu" Sobral: $90,000 (includes $30,000 win bonus)
def: Mike Whitehead: $50,000

Matt Lindland: $300,000 (includes $75,000 win bonus)
def. Fabio Nascimento: $20,00O

Antonio Rogerio Nogueira: $50,000 (no win bonus)
def. Edwin Dewees: $15,000

Mike Pyle: $20,000 (includes $5,000 win bonus)
JJ Ambrose: $5,000

Ray Lizama: $3,000
vs. Justin Levens: $6000*

Vitor Belfort: $140,000 (includes $70,000 win bonus)
Terry Martin: $30,000

Paul Buentello: $80,000 (includes $20,000 win bonus)
vs. Gary Goodridge: $25,000

* - Fight postponed due to time constraints. Both fighters paid negotiated salaries.


UFC:

MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) today received the list of salaries from the Nevada State Athletic Commission.

The event took place at The Palms Las Vegas and aired live on Spike TV.

Total disclosed payroll for the event was $623,000.

The full results included:

Anderson Silva: $200,000 (no win bonus issued)
def. James Irvin: $20,000

Brandon Vera: $200,000 (includes $100,000 win bonus)
def. Reese Andy $15,000

Frankie Edgar: $26,000 ($13,000 win bonus)
def. Hermes Franca : $17,000

Cain Velasquez: $14,000 ($7,000 win bonus)
defeats Jake O'Brien: $11,000

Kevin Burns: $10,000 ($5,000 win bonus)
def. Anthony Johnson: $9,000

CB Dollaway: $20,000 ($10,000 win bonus)
defeats Jesse Taylor: $8,000

Tim Credeur: $16,000 ($8,000 win bonus)
def. Cale Yarbrough: $8,000

Rory Markham: $12,000 ($6,000 win bonus)
defeats Brodie Farber: $3,00O

Nate Loughran: $8,000 ($4,000 win bonus)
defeats Johnny Rees: $4,000

Brad Blackburn: $10,000 ($5000 win bonus)
defeats James Gaboo: $3,000

Shannon Gugerty: $6,000 ($3,000 win bonus)
defeats Dale Hartt: $3,000




Now if you mean this is his Fight and Bonus Money and Not what he was paid to sign a contract I may buy that. Opposite of what you stated.

I said it is NOT in his fight and/or win bonuses, he sign's on for say a two fight contract for say $3,000,000 with $300,000 a fight with no win bonuses. These fighting payments are garbage, do you really think Black Horse fighters NEVER get win bonuses one way or another? No, it's all how different guys negotiate their contracts.

How the heck does Sylvia make 800k to Fedor's 300k. Seems like it should be the opposite IMHO. NO wonder Tim jumped at that fight. HOwever it is nice to see Afflictions base salries being much higher for the fighter w/o any type of PPV bonus, which is where most of the UFC fighters make thier $$.

Fedor's next fight should be vs. Barnett. I've always wanted to see them fight even during the Pride years. Especially after Barnett beat Nog in the semis of the 2006 GP. Seemed like that shoulda been the headliner for the Shockwave event for 2006 instead of Fedor vs. Mark Hunt.

Unless theere is something I dont know about these 2 fighters NEVER facing off. Anyone?

Dude, that's a little racist. WTF????

The fight stuff is different, Fedor signs contracts for say three fights, and gets like 4-6 mill in signing bonus, plus 300k for every fight.

I thought I heard something along the lines of they didn't think it was smart to fight on a smaller show where they could get a big blemish on their records for the wrong price, although it seems it could really happen here.

Jardine/Vera confirmed for 89. You gotta think the loser is history. Even with wins over Liddel and Griffin there doest seem to be alot of intrest in Jardine. Vera with losses in 2 of his last 3 and 1 very unimpressive win has got to be on the verge of termination aswell. I would be dissapointed if Jardines lost this.


UFC did confirm Hendo/Palhares and Frankilin/Hammil for 88.

Can 89 really be free? Lyoto/Thiago, Leben/Bisping, and now Jardine/Vera? Obviously lacks huge names but a pretty good free card.

Any thoughts on CBS card Saturday? I like Lawler a lot but the last fight he seemed a different fighter after round one in the last fight... also the UFC is continuing their counter system.. to counter the CBS fights Saturday they are airing UFC 84 on Spike

TBH, I'd rather watch a PPV. I can't stand the commercials when they are free. I don't know how many times I watched that Girls Gone Wild commercial with the girl saying "Here's My Boobs". As much as I wanted to actually see those boobs, the commercial was driving me bonkers.

Two words

TIVO


start the show and hour and half after it starts, you're golden

But yeah, this is the theory I follow as well.

Plus theres rumours that Anderson Silva is gonna be on the card aswell. But apparently UFC and Spike are still serously talking about this one being free. Anderson has deffinatly taken over from Chuck as there franchise player.

this speaks to my attitude, or actually, opposes it. I'm totally stoked for Franklin vs Hammil and all the fights you list above - more so than Anderson Silva vs Sandman. It's about match ups an fighters who bring it. Hopefully, the UFC doesn't trade depth for star power promotion. So far I like their model, a lot; but fear it swaying the other way - which seems to be what newer fans would want.

ps. I'm not saying you feel one way or the other.


I'll watch Sat night.
Eilers for the title?

Has Elite tried to sign any of the HWs we saw on Affliction?

I'd like to see UFC promote the HW division more, of course.

I think that Franklin/Hammil is at 88, if that's what you meant. And I know what you mean about good fights vs. big names... I just think that this upcoming card is very, very strong... I mean Bisping vs. Leben are two fighters that may not be so recognized, but even though Bisping is way the better fighter, they're gonna have a fun fight. Also, I think Anderson/Cote is going to happen at 88, although the card is already stacked. If not, 90 is only like a week or two after 89, so I think they'll go then. Hopefully the UFC can cater to enough fans to keep the sport going but still but on more Lyoto/Thiago and Bisping/Leben over Silva/Irvin and Andy/Vera

And Big Foot FTW, although it's not even going to be on CBS.....

given I pay Charter Communications for every channel known to man, I'll see it on Showtime

sounds like we agree on the basic idea as well

Sadly Anderson has not taken over as the franchise player. While he is ridiculously talented, he is not a crowd favorite. At the last UFN the audience was behind Irvin more than Silva. And it had nothing to do with betting.

I personally like Silva a lot. The American public has a hard time getting behind someone who does not speak English fluently. If Anderson and Chuck fought, the UFC and the general public would be behind Chuck.

When Machida fought Ortiz, the crowd was definitely in favor of Ortiz.

I'm sure that the UFC struggles with this all the time in regard to marketing.

that is shocking.
Honestly, that might be true among the live audience; but I doubt it's universal



This I see more based on styles and noteriety

Vanderlei Silva is one person that the UFC audience has really gotten behind. But if you compare Vanderlei Silva's popularity with Anderson Silva's popularity amongst the general public it wouldn't even be close.

Ortiz was never an exciting fighter, but he talked a good game. As far as talent goes, Machida is on a different level.

A lot of people who go to UFC events don't know a ton about MMA.