I dunno. Forrest won 2nd 10-8, and the 5th 10-9. I thought 1 went to Rampage 10-9. I thought 3 and 4 were too close to call and could go either way. Apparently the judges split those rounds between them The scores seemed about right to me, but I wouldn't have been surprised if it ended up a draw.

Not a super sexy card, but I do think Forrest won, and Rampage admitted as much after. It always saddens me when they don't totally sell out in the last round and go for knockouts, especially if behind. Glad I watched at a bar and didnt spend the cash, although the bar was annoying, so next time I'll do it at my or someone else's house.

I thought at best it would be a split decision going to Forrest, but I guess thats why I aint a judge. Now that Anderson Silva is in the 205 this will be very interesting! I think his best match up will be against Machida and that would make for a very interesting fight!

I agree....maybe the most boring card I watched in awhile. Every fight that I saw was basically bore city. Other than Kochek opening up that sik gash and Joe Daddy's guilletoine, this was a snoozer....and I usually never say that.

I was STUNNED that Rampage lost. Not that he didn't get the decision, but how he never got much going. I think he def won Rd. 1, but if the refs scored round 2 Forrest 10-8, then it was easy to see this as unanimous. I think even if u could give rds 1,3,4,5 as split...which I think was more 3-1 Forrest, he controlled rd 2 so much that he had to win. Other than 1 punch and opening a cut over Forrest eye, Rampage didn't do much damage at all. I am a huge fan of Rampage's, but obv that Leg got hurt bad and I am not sure how anyone saw him winning that fight.

I thought it might be a weird decision. In boxing, you have to dominate the champ to get the belt and Forrest definitely didn't dominate, but I did think he did enough to win, and fortunately, I guess the judges saw it the same.

Although, I wonder if Forrest pulls the tape from TUF and tries to get Rampage's purse. Rampage did bet his purse that it wouldn't go to decision. Uh oh.

A few of the fighters would do that (Ortiz) but I dont think Forrest would, he seems to be a genuine guy and I dont think he would take some ones bread and butta. Plus shouldnt Forrest be near the end of his contract? Huge ReWrite in the works!

That and nothing was agreed upon or official.

I'm not going to type that this cardwa a let down because it's the "anything can happen factor" that keeps me coming back, not the actual fight... well,, unless it becomes a trend.

but I will say Cote v Almeida was a huge let down. Almeida "I won the first round, now if I can only get a take down or two in one of the next two rounds, I'll win a decisions. That Patrick hits hard"
Almeida was definately not ready for 3 2 rounds. I'm saying to my wife, "He's tired", while Joe is saying "Almeida looks real relaxed". Only to catch on in the replay of the 2nd round summary that "almeida was totally exhausted by this point". Yeah, I guess that's what "relaxing" can do

Kos is pretty much a bad ass.






well at least I nailed that one.
I need to rewatch the Forrest fight; but my thoughts were: He didn't clearly win any roundm really; but I would have scred it 47-47.

Kos did well and dominated the fight but I dont think it was that great of fight... I think there should have been a Ref timeout to check the cut a few times at least when they were laying in a 1 inch puddle of blood.. After all that bleeding the guy was drained and Kos took advantage anyone would have done that. Good fight compared to the rest of the card but not "badss" contention...

The skills he's acuiring along with the athletism already there, coupled with the fact Pierre couldn't finish him, and I'd put Kos in top 4 WW.


edit to add... well, who knew http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templa...3&zoneid=15

He may become a top 5 soon, but I think Pierre is a TOTAL different person now. We will see how it goes.. I think a rematch is coming soon maybe a fight or two.

Edit: to Edit Post: WOW that is quick, but I think he will have a hard time with Fitch and Pierre now, it will be a while before he is ready to own the belt.

I'd suggest Kos has improved more than St Pierre since they met. He had more to learn.
Also, some fighters get a mystical level of respect (Anderson Silva), and I think it's close than you think.
But yeah, I don't see Kos beating Pierre more than 2/7 times if that at this time

what a weird show

I had forrest winning only round 2, but even if that was so, I had jackson winning rds 1,3, 5 and at best rd 4 was a 10-10 rd, but I still had jackson winning it. Hell, both my friend and I had him winning it


I'm also shocked at teh almeida decision. Cote did nothing while on top and ALmeida was using attack BJJ

koscheck was an absolute beast and that was the best he looked in a long time. Seriously, popping open 3 nasty cuts in one fight is pretty scary

I saw back peddling BJJ for 2/3 rounds. I give Cote ring Control, aggression (if anyone could be given it), and more damge from strikes, to win Rnds 2 & 3.

When joe said Forrest was definitly ahead and Goldie sorta disagreed, I said to the wife "yeah, I'm with Goldie, it's not clear for Rampage". I need to watch it again, that's all. Rampage had too many close rounds to hope to get 3 of them, and even then, it's a draw

Rampage's striking was explosive when he got off, but he was far less active than Forest throughout the fight, and Forest clearly controlled the pace and the octagon. Forest even controlled round 1 until Rampage got the knockdown. I thought it would be closer, and had it 2 rounds each after 4, though Forest may have had a 10-8 2nd, and the first may have been scored even on some cards.

cote didn't do much when in a dominant position. For me, that negates having that position while Almeida was attacking and going for the finish. its subjective, but cote didn't impress


the rampage/griffen fight was so close now watching on replay. Now looking at it, it looks like a draw to me, but outside of rd2, there was no clear winner in each round IMO. on watching the replay, both my friend and I were disucssing each round, and in the end I gave it a draw

overall, I'm cool with Forrest winning as it validates TUF and validates teh fighters and evelvates forrest

I agree watching the replay it could have gone to a draw, but at least a split decision. I dont think either fighter won out right, I think that Rampages leg was a big factor and all the shots too it. I think if forrest did more to the leg in round 3 and 4 and not as much of the head kicks it would have been more clear, even if they were checked or weak at least it would have been damage. Rampage needed to move in all the times Forrest kicked through and did that slow ballet 360 and I think we would have had a different outcome. I wanted Forrest to win but was pretty much 50/50 go into the fight knowing it would have taken a KO or something like the leg strike or submission to win.

Silva entering the 205 is going to toss it up. He is a total different fighter than the rest of the 205, and his next fight I think he will walk through like he did Chris Leben. It will be interesting to see what the rest of 08 and 09 has for line ups in the 205.

Regarding Silva at 205, my impression is it's a one time deal. Dana needed a big name to headline the July 19th PPV to try and take attention away from the Emilianenko-Silvia Affliction PPV, and Silva was one of the only guys he had available to ask, since the guy had no one left to fight in the immediate future, and he didn't get banged up in his last fight.

The fight is at 205 against a guy who really has only a puncher's chance against Silva's level of competition, and it's simply so Silva doesn't have to kill himself making weight after an abreviated 4 and 1/2 week training camp. He walks around at 215-220 between fights.

yeah, ahhhh..OK...ouch

I told all of you how much I suck at non-golf sports betting so you better have taken me up on the reverse bets.

Almeida/Cote should have been a draw at worst and a decision for Almeida at best. Almeida clearly won round 1, Cote clearly won round 2, and round 3 was a draw at best. I'm sorry, but you can't give the round to Cote because he landed 3 leg kicks. Almeida was constantly landing the jab and got the takedown at the end of the round and iirc had the mount. He went for a sub and Cote fell into his guard. I just don't see how you can give that round to Cote in any possible way. 10-10 at best for Cote.

Gurgel just plain got stupid. Twenty seconds left in a fight he was going to win and a BJJ BB gets caught in a triangle. Inexcusible.

Aurelio just got completely dominated.

Buchholz pulled it out..yeehaw

McCully..meh..just overwhelmed.

Joedaddy looked pretty good and I just can't believe someone as experienced as Tibau gets caught in a guillotine when you are not severely hurt.

Koscheck looked really good and dominated a lot more than I thought he would.


All 4 people I watched the fights with as well as myself did not think Forrest did enough to take the belt. We were all rooting for him, but just didn't think he did enough to dethrone a champ. Forrest def dominated round 2, but I am not even sure it was a 10-8 round. He really didn't do shit from the mount and a 10-8 round is a complete ass whooping. It was far short of that. Rampage said he would never take 9 months off again, but after the surgery he is going to need on that knee he might be forced to.

This is pretty much how I saw it. Before the fight I said to some friends that if it was close the judges would likely side with Forrest as oppossed to the champ b/c it was such a full circle thing for the company. I'm not saying there was anything shady at all as clearly Forrest was in it and many others think he won outright but often close calls like this seem to go to the champ.

I thought the Rampage/Forrest fight could have gone either way, but If I was to pick a side, it would be Rampage. I gave rounds 1 and 4 to Rampage, 2 and 5 to Forrest and Round 3 is a toss-up which I would give the slight edge to Rampage. I really didn't mind the Forrest getting the nod so much, but the scores were just terrible. Regardless, they'll probably fight again really soon, so it will hopefully get settled then.

Almeida/Cote was just weird. Almeida looked great in the 1st round and it appeared as though he just gassed in the latter rounds. I felt it still should have been a draw. Round 3 was a wash for me since neither fighter did anything really. Cote landed 3 leg kicks and Almeida landed a couple punches and got a takedown. Still, that must have been the least amount of damage anyone has ever done to win a fight.

Kos looked great, most damage I've ever seen him do on the ground. Most of that was strategy on his part and pinning Lytle on the fence not allowing him to move and scramble.

Stevenson's got the sickest guillotine. His grip strength must be rediculous, finishing Tibau in a guillotine with the arm in is surprising.

Tyson still can't finish anyone and he wasn't really trying to either. Aurelio just doesn't have good striking or takedowns and doesn't have very good athleticism either. He had a real nice guard, but Griffin was being smart and being very passive when he did get in his guard and didn't allow himself to get caught in anything.

Overall, it was one of the most boring cards ever, so hopefully the next one is much better.

Both Dana and Anderson have stated that he is going for the 205 belt and Dana has changed his mind and going to allow for the first time a fighter contend in 2 weight classes at the same time. Looks like its more that a 1 time deal.


White indicated that the UFC middleweight champion’s arrival at 205 isn’t a one-trick pony. He feels that Silva wants to continue defending his current belt, while working to capture light heavyweight gold at the same time. And for the first time in the promotion’s history, he’s okay with that. Never before has a UFC champion been allowed to chase another belt in another weight class.



“He wants to hold both the 185 and the 205 pound belt and he wants to defend them both. Normally I won't let guys do stuff like that because it's just… stupid. I'll let Anderson Silva do it,” White told MMAWeekly.com.

I just can't see how Forrest won the 2nd round 10-8. He hurt Rampage's leg, got a takedown, got mount but didn't do any damage. Rampage was covering up and Forrest was just throwing pitter patter shots to score points. I think you should have to do a ton of damage and almost finish him in order to get a 10-8 round.

Forrest playing in ME today lol. And Liddell is at feature table with Hellmuth (when he shows up).

Post fight Griffin even made the comment Aurelio had never been finished so he didn't want to tire himself out trying. He's not endearing himself to geting a chance at the title. If anything, his chance is less now.


Certainly the biggest let down for me in recent memory

This card did nothing to get me excited about future match-ups in MW or LW divsion

I thought Forrest won, but it was just barely. I think it was mostly because he was the aggressor and way more active. Rampage landed bigger, harder shots, but there were just so few of them... He was basically waiting for Forrest to come in close enough and then land a little combo and repeat. I think the judges must have deferred to the part of the rules about 'octagon control'.

I think Forrest thought he lost also as soon as he heard it was unanimous. It looked like if they said it was split, then he felt good about it, but when he heard those scores, he thought he lost for sure. Closest fight I've ever seen though I think. The rest were a borefest though.

I just read about the undercard. It seemed pretty explosive. Too bad they didn't have time to show any of those fights. Or maybe they did, I don't know. I left immediately after the main event.

Well I got crushed on this UFC card. I really don't even want to give my thoughts. I will tell you who I bet on though.

-Rampage
-Almeida
-Aurellio
-Stevenson
-Lytle

First time in history I have lost on a card. Not sure what to make of it. Very depressing.

I guess I was the only guy who thought Cote would win

I should have bet this card though. I had pretty much everything but the main event and the Miller/Gurgel fight right. Not that great of a card though compared to some of the recent ones.

It could have been the opposite. I think Forrest thought he won, but couldn't believe he won by that much. He thought it should have been scored closer than it was.



Did anyone win on this card? No one that I know of. However, two of those fights easily could have gone the other way.

Not me. If I may say, I only had 2 fights until reading Performity and then laid my biggest bet on Almeida, sealing my loss. Otherwise, bets on Forrest and Lytle put me in the green



It should have been obvious to both of them (it was to Rampage) after hearing the first score of 48-46 and no name after, that Forrest had at worst, gained a majority draw.

I still hate Koshchek. At least he did turn it on later in the fight and make it interesting. But all I can remember of him is taking people down and humping them for 10-15 minutes. I'm sure i'll never like him. Side note: he didn't throw a punch until 1:40 into the fight (1 kick)...just backpeddled the whole time. God that was frustrating.

W00t Forrest. I still say Round was easily 10-8. Rampage did nothing.

Rules quote:

1. A round is to be scored as a 10-10 Round when both contestants appear to be fighting evenly and neither contestant shows clear dominance in a round;

2. A round is to be scored as a 10-9 Round when a contestant wins by a close margin, landing the greater number of effective legal strikes, grappling and other maneuvers;

3. A round is to be scored as a 10-8 Round when a contestant overwhelmingly dominates by striking or grappling in a round.

I simply would not call that round a close margin. Whether the strikes all connected and were devastating or not.

This is what separates my view on it. Yes Forrest was on top and clearly the round was his but I recall Rampage defending pretty much everything from the bottom and don't recall many if any damage being done from Forrest. Perhaps I'll change my opinion on it when I see it again though. At the end of the day the word is that the judges giving round three to Forrest was the difference maker more than anything.

I think the difference for Round 2 was this and Rampage stated it in his post fight he was resting his leg.. Rampage at no time while on his back improved his position, nor did he make it back to his feet. Forrest was working enough even if it didnt do damage to not warrant a ref standing them up so in the judges eyes he was in control and won the round. If Rampage got back to his feet or worked more from the bottom, elbows, submission, or even bear hug forrest for a stand up the round could have gone to him and maybe alter the outcome of the fight.

DONT READ IF YOU DONT WANT SPOILER FOR ME AT 86



i thought the ME was really solid fight

Rampage def won round 1, but I think..based solely on his recovery, that the initial shot rampage dropped forrest with in the 1st really wasnt all that it seemed...
Round 2 was a forrest round for sure, and in my opinion..even before the mount, forrest was winning the round..the round simply solidified the round in his favor, and I gave it to him 10-8

I think Rampage wins round 3, but only because he did more damage, and I could definitely see judges scoring it a tie.

Round 4 was up in the air for me, Forrest had rampage in that triangle, and while I havent seen a good replay of it...appeared to have it locked in pretty tight. Rampage seemed pretty slow to posture up for the slam, and even when he finally did find the strength to slam him, forrest was able to release and avoid it. Rampage was on top for a bit after that so I could see it going to Rampage, but I really wonder how close Rampage was to tapping in that spot. Knowing him, he likely wasnt going to tap..but it seemed like he was def feeling its effect for a short time after.

Round 5 went to forrest for me, Rampage really didnt do much in the way of offense and I felt like Forrest landed some strikes, although they were pretty weak and didnt do much damage.

is grappling not groundwork? In my opinion, forrest outstruck rampage in rd.2 before the fight went to the ground, and clearly got himself in a dominant position for nearly 3 full minutes to close the round...How is that not an overwhelmingly dominant grappling performance. I'm aware that forrest didnt land anything big from the mount, but it could definitely go 10-8 from a judges point of view based on the factors everyone has listed.

Bingo...resting and not even TRYING to get to his feet or fight back. He literally just laid there trying to avoid big damage. I think with a little time left in the round he finally threw his hips up in a futile attempt to get Forrest off, but that was the first sign of life he had shown in minutes.

I do believe Rampage's trainer also said he'd retire if Forrest beat Rampage (in the hype show). Add that in with the "i'll give him my purse if it goes the distance" and we've got a couple of overconfident people who probably should've kept their mouths shut!

If your stepping in a cage to fight and your not confident, then you have no business being there in the first place.

Duhhh - I didn't say don't be confident. But don't offer up your purse and say you will retire when neither of you have the least bit of intention of following through with it. That's just gay.

Rampage said it the heat of the moment he'd bet his purse that it wouldn't go to the judges who knows if he never intended to follow through with it. Forrest never said "okay let's bet".

As for the second round I'm open to the fact that I could be wrong and really need to see it again. While the round was clearly Forrest's; Rampage actively defended himself, nullified any damage continually locked him up but after I see it again I may have a different take it is all kind of subjective.

Yea so? I didn't say they made a bet and he should pay it. I said they woulda been better off keeping their mouth shut in those instances. Reading comprehension FTW.

And if they didn't trash talk at all then they wouldn't be doing the job promoting the fight.

I definitely don't mind the trash talking, part of the game, hypes it up. Your statement is obviously true, if they aren't confident they will win they shouldn't be in there. But you have to draw the line somewhere. Making wacky statements about i'll do this i'll do that is retarded if you are just running your mouth for the hell of it.

And taking what they say in the heat of the moment (I'll bet my purse on it) as a statement of fact is just silly. You know he was pissed over his fighter losing that decision, he is competitive and didn't take the loss very well. Not to mention if Forrest didn't have one hell of a chin Rampage is right, at least 2 or 3 shots he landed knock out most fighters.

Okay well again you have a reading comprehension problem. So we'll just agree to disagree.

Maybe you should explain yourself more clearly then. I just reread our posts and I can't for the life of me figure out what your talking about other than some apparent dislike of Rampage and his trainer and you have some need to rub a questionable loss in their face like they are reading this.

Meh... there will be a rematch, if Rampage wins probably a third fight too.

I don't dislike either of them - all I said and think is that statements like the one they made are a little bit ridiculous and far fetched. I can certainly accept the 'heat of the moment' argument and I don't dislike them for the comments. I just bet they wish they didn't fly off the cuff with those statements. It feels like WWE when people throw stuff like that around.

It's not a reading comprehenision issue fwiw I've been reading most of my life. I see your point but think this fight had far less of the pre fight verbal jarring than most. Rampage said what he said in the heat of the moment and even then it was far from an outlandish ego driven statement. Even his trainer was pretty respectful with his comments saying something along the lines of liking Forrest and thinking he's a great fighter but feeling like Rampage would keep the title for a long time to come. I would be very surprised if either of them had even a moment of regret for their statements after the fight.

Either way as fight fans we should all be pleased at the likely hood of the rematch down the line.

They were both really respectful to each other during and after the fight and I don't think there was the same level of fake hatred you see between a lot of the fighters in the main events which seems more WWEish to me. I think that's why those comments got so much play. In the prefight interviews they were showing I thought both of them were hilarious.