This is odd.
You guys really don't have much of an opinion regarding the fight at the Palms. Most of the guys fighting are pretty well known.........
I have some opinions, but always like to hear feedback from the group.
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QUOTE (steve7stud @ Sunday, June 15th, 2008, 5:20 AM) 
There is a UFC a week from now. Pretty sure I am going. Thought I would throw the fights and lines out there and see what you guys thought........
Welterweights- Ultimate Fighter Finals - The Pearl, Nevada - Sat 21st Jun 08 Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Diego Sanchez
-500
Luigi Fioravanti
+350
Diego should walk through him, but don't think it's worth a bet.
Lightweights- Ultimate Fighter Finals - The Pearl, Nevada - Sat 21st Jun 08 Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Spencer Fisher
-220
Jeremy Stephens
+180
Odds are right for this fight. I give Stephens a chance, but Fisher's experience should pull him through. I think their stand-up will probably cancel each other out and Fisher is better on the ground. I'd expect Fisher to win a decision here.
Welterweights- Ultimate Fighter Finals - The Pearl, Nevada - Sat 21st Jun 08 Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Josh Burkman
-220
Dustin Hazelett
+180
I like Hazelett in this fight. He's very slick on the ground and his stand-up looked ok against Koscheck as well. Burkman has never been all tha timpressive to me. He hangs in there, but he doesn't do anything all that special. Even if he gets some takedowns, he won't be in a comfortable spot in Hazelett's guard.
Middleweights- Ultimate Fighter Finals - The Pearl, Nevada - Sat 21st Jun 08 Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Marvin Eastman
EVEN
Drew McFedries
-130
McFedries has more power than Eastman and Eastman hasn't shown the best chin. I think McFedries knocks him out.
Middleweights- Ultimate Fighter Finals - The Pearl, Nevada - Sat 21st Jun 08 Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Jeremy Horn
-140
Dean Lister
+110
I'm not overly impressed by either fighter, but Horn looks like he's on the decline. I think it'll come down to who controls the positions better. I'd pick Lister to win a decision hereas the most likely scenario.
Middleweights- Ultimate Fighter Finals - The Pearl, Nevada - Sat 21st Jun 08 Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Evan Tanner
-225
Kendall Grove
+165
Oddsmakers have this one about right to me. I'd expect Tanner to win because match-up wise, he's not a good one for Grove. Tanner puts the pressure on and Grove does not fight well backing up and doesn't have a very good chin either. On the other hand, Tanner looked terrible his last fight and we're never sure how he's going to show up for his fights. I think Tanner probably wins this fight, but I wouldn't say it's worthwhile placing a bet on him at those odds.
Welterweights- Ultimate Fighter Finals - The Pearl, Nevada - Sat 21st Jun 08 Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Diego Sanchez
-500
Luigi Fioravanti
+350
Diego should walk through him, but don't think it's worth a bet.
Lightweights- Ultimate Fighter Finals - The Pearl, Nevada - Sat 21st Jun 08 Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Spencer Fisher
-220
Jeremy Stephens
+180
Odds are right for this fight. I give Stephens a chance, but Fisher's experience should pull him through. I think their stand-up will probably cancel each other out and Fisher is better on the ground. I'd expect Fisher to win a decision here.
Welterweights- Ultimate Fighter Finals - The Pearl, Nevada - Sat 21st Jun 08 Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Josh Burkman
-220
Dustin Hazelett
+180
I like Hazelett in this fight. He's very slick on the ground and his stand-up looked ok against Koscheck as well. Burkman has never been all tha timpressive to me. He hangs in there, but he doesn't do anything all that special. Even if he gets some takedowns, he won't be in a comfortable spot in Hazelett's guard.
Middleweights- Ultimate Fighter Finals - The Pearl, Nevada - Sat 21st Jun 08 Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Marvin Eastman
EVEN
Drew McFedries
-130
McFedries has more power than Eastman and Eastman hasn't shown the best chin. I think McFedries knocks him out.
Middleweights- Ultimate Fighter Finals - The Pearl, Nevada - Sat 21st Jun 08 Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Jeremy Horn
-140
Dean Lister
+110
I'm not overly impressed by either fighter, but Horn looks like he's on the decline. I think it'll come down to who controls the positions better. I'd pick Lister to win a decision hereas the most likely scenario.
Middleweights- Ultimate Fighter Finals - The Pearl, Nevada - Sat 21st Jun 08 Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Evan Tanner
-225
Kendall Grove
+165
Oddsmakers have this one about right to me. I'd expect Tanner to win because match-up wise, he's not a good one for Grove. Tanner puts the pressure on and Grove does not fight well backing up and doesn't have a very good chin either. On the other hand, Tanner looked terrible his last fight and we're never sure how he's going to show up for his fights. I think Tanner probably wins this fight, but I wouldn't say it's worthwhile placing a bet on him at those odds.
QUOTE (steve7stud @ Sunday, June 15th, 2008, 2:20 AM)
There is a UFC a week from now. Pretty sure I am going. Thought I would throw the fights and lines out there and see what you guys thought........
Welterweights- Ultimate Fighter Finals - The Pearl, Nevada - Sat 21st Jun 08 Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Diego Sanchez
-500
Luigi Fioravanti
+350
Lightweights- Ultimate Fighter Finals - The Pearl, Nevada - Sat 21st Jun 08 Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Spencer Fisher
-220
Jeremy Stephens
+180
Welterweights- Ultimate Fighter Finals - The Pearl, Nevada - Sat 21st Jun 08 Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Josh Burkman
-220
Dustin Hazelett
+180
Middleweights- Ultimate Fighter Finals - The Pearl, Nevada - Sat 21st Jun 08 Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Marvin Eastman
EVEN
Drew McFedries
-130
Middleweights- Ultimate Fighter Finals - The Pearl, Nevada - Sat 21st Jun 08 Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Jeremy Horn
-140
Dean Lister
+110
Middleweights- Ultimate Fighter Finals - The Pearl, Nevada - Sat 21st Jun 08 Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Evan Tanner
-225
Kendall Grove
+165
Welterweights- Ultimate Fighter Finals - The Pearl, Nevada - Sat 21st Jun 08 Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Diego Sanchez
-500
Luigi Fioravanti
+350
Lightweights- Ultimate Fighter Finals - The Pearl, Nevada - Sat 21st Jun 08 Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Spencer Fisher
-220
Jeremy Stephens
+180
Welterweights- Ultimate Fighter Finals - The Pearl, Nevada - Sat 21st Jun 08 Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Josh Burkman
-220
Dustin Hazelett
+180
Middleweights- Ultimate Fighter Finals - The Pearl, Nevada - Sat 21st Jun 08 Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Marvin Eastman
EVEN
Drew McFedries
-130
Middleweights- Ultimate Fighter Finals - The Pearl, Nevada - Sat 21st Jun 08 Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Jeremy Horn
-140
Dean Lister
+110
Middleweights- Ultimate Fighter Finals - The Pearl, Nevada - Sat 21st Jun 08 Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Evan Tanner
-225
Kendall Grove
+165
Right now I like Diego,Spencer, and Horn. The rest I am up in the air on.......
QUOTE (steve7stud @ Monday, June 16th, 2008, 1:01 PM)
Right now I like Diego,Spencer, and Horn. The rest I am up in the air on.......
I think Diego is a definite lock. He's too explosive and has a good chin, so an upset here is highly unlikely
Spencer, I don't know if I like him at those odds. I see a decision win probably, but Stephens is no bum.
Burkman/Hazelett?
Eastman is, well, a beast. The guy is freakishly huge and pretty agile. Tough one to call, just as the odds indicate, but I'm not very big on McFedries, so I'll take Eastman at even odds.
I still like Lister in this one, only because Horn has just looked gawd awful in the past year in the big shows. Granted he has been a last minute fill in most of the time. I'd be interested to see if he has a gameplan for Lister, or if it's just another fight. If it stays standing, Horn by decision. If it goes to the ground, Lister is a far better grappler so Lister by decision. The only think I wonder is how Lister gets Horn to the ground because Horn has a great sprawl and is a better striker. Lister by decision.
Didn't Horn almost submit Marquardt? Then he got caught? People have said Horn has been slowing down forever. Three out of his four loses were Marquardt, Lindland, and Chuck.
QUOTE (jdrury12 @ Monday, June 16th, 2008, 1:52 PM)
Didn't Horn almost submit Marquardt? Then he got caught? People have said Horn has been slowing down forever. Three out of his four loses were Marquardt, Lindland, and Chuck.
The problem is he just fights too much (career wise). He's seemingly never prepared and always fights the same way. He's a great fighter, don't get me wrong, but the guy has made a living on having a solid chin and being able to do weird things in crazy positions. In this fight, I think Lister has the advantage because even though Horn is good on the ground, Lister is better.
QUOTE (outsider13 @ Monday, June 16th, 2008, 1:56 PM)
The problem is he just fights too much (career wise). He's seemingly never prepared and always fights the same way. He's a great fighter, don't get me wrong, but the guy has made a living on having a solid chin and being able to do weird things in crazy positions. In this fight, I think Lister has the advantage because even though Horn is good on the ground, Lister is better.
this is an understatement. Lister is one of the few world class BJJ experts from the US. Lister's problem has been his conditioning and not having the best chin, but Horn's striking isn't exactly KO power type of striking.
My quick thoughts on Horn vs. Lister.
Horn has never been knocked out. I obv don't think Lister is going to be the one to do it. The stand up I give to Horn. I HAVE to assume that Horns wrestling is getting really good at this point becaus he is part of Matt Hughes gym and all those guys do is wrestle. I don't really see Horn gassing either. In order to submit Horn, I think you are going to have to hurt him first, and then pull of a submission.
In the Marquardt fight I took Nate at -240. Most people thought I was crazy, and when Horn almost got the sub in the first round, it looked like I was. But Lister is no Marquardt imo.
If this was a BJJ match I would take Lister, but there are so many other variables that go into the mix. If Horn is in shape, I think he is a solid favorite to win.
Horn has never been knocked out. I obv don't think Lister is going to be the one to do it. The stand up I give to Horn. I HAVE to assume that Horns wrestling is getting really good at this point becaus he is part of Matt Hughes gym and all those guys do is wrestle. I don't really see Horn gassing either. In order to submit Horn, I think you are going to have to hurt him first, and then pull of a submission.
In the Marquardt fight I took Nate at -240. Most people thought I was crazy, and when Horn almost got the sub in the first round, it looked like I was. But Lister is no Marquardt imo.
If this was a BJJ match I would take Lister, but there are so many other variables that go into the mix. If Horn is in shape, I think he is a solid favorite to win.
UFC trying to get a July 19 show on Spike to counter Affliction.
http://mmajunkie.com/news/4578/ufc-conside...tion-banned.mma
Don't know why it took them this long if this is what they wanted to do...
http://mmajunkie.com/news/4578/ufc-conside...tion-banned.mma
Don't know why it took them this long if this is what they wanted to do...
Wow if that does happen I think I will save the $40 and watch Wandy/Vera for sure. Dick move by Dana but its business and Affliction might get snuffed out of the business with a move like this.
that would put a dent in the buys, but any person in this thread/true MMA fan will just tivo the UFC and order the affliction promotion. Easy peasey.
Yuck, its confirmed it will be Rashad Evans as chucks opponent at 88. Sure hope the rest of the card fills out nicely.
QUOTE (Ron_Mexico @ Monday, June 16th, 2008, 9:36 PM)
that would put a dent in the buys, but any person in this thread/true MMA fan will just tivo the UFC and order the affliction promotion. Easy peasey.
yessiree.
And, on another note, instead of betting on 5+ fights each time, I'm going to put 100% of my "roll" on 0 or 1 fight each event
I'm actually enjoying it less when betting. I'll either go broke and be done betting or accumulate. When it gets to some $X, I'll take it out and blow it.
and finally Ali "UFC Ring Girl" Sonoma left "The Mole" tonight. No, I don't; but my wife does.
The line between Sanchez and Fioravanti is really bothering me. Fioravanti trains at American Top Team. It's ridiculous that he is such a big underdog. I have always thought that Diego Sanchez was an amazingly talented fighter. Not sure if I like him at City Boxing, but that's his choice. Obviously I think that Diego is going to crush him. But laying 500, that's ridiculous. It just seems like the books don't want action on this fight. Hopefully all of the lines will be different in Vegas.
Is someone really deleting posts from this thread?
That's pretty fucking bullshit.
That's pretty fucking bullshit.
Anderson Silva vs. James Irvin to headline July 19 UFC event
http://mmajunkie.com/news/4588/anderson-si...9-ufc-event.mma
weird to say the least, although it will get Silva a lot of exposure, does it mean a permanent move up? Or maybe he'll still fight Okami at the end of the year?
http://mmajunkie.com/news/4588/anderson-si...9-ufc-event.mma
weird to say the least, although it will get Silva a lot of exposure, does it mean a permanent move up? Or maybe he'll still fight Okami at the end of the year?
QUOTE (jeff_536 @ Tuesday, June 17th, 2008, 5:46 PM)
Is someone really deleting posts from this thread?
That's pretty fucking bullshit.
That's pretty fucking bullshit.
Huh? explain
So this probally was the mind blowing news Dana was supposed to announce last week. Anderson Silva>Fedor for
entertainment value imo. Anderson at 205 has so many superfight possibilities.
entertainment value imo. Anderson at 205 has so many superfight possibilities.
QUOTE (Ron_Mexico @ Tuesday, June 17th, 2008, 5:24 PM)
Huh? explain
a spolier was posted, blue complained, spoiler and blue's post was deleted, now blue is upset
QUOTE (Actuary @ Monday, June 16th, 2008, 11:37 PM)
yessiree.
And, on another note, instead of betting on 5+ fights each time, I'm going to put 100% of my "roll" on 0 or 1 fight each event
I'm actually enjoying it less when betting. I'll either go broke and be done betting or accumulate. When it gets to some $X, I'll take it out and blow it.
and finally Ali "UFC Ring Girl" Sonoma left "The Mole" tonight. No, I don't; but my wife does.
And, on another note, instead of betting on 5+ fights each time, I'm going to put 100% of my "roll" on 0 or 1 fight each event
I'm actually enjoying it less when betting. I'll either go broke and be done betting or accumulate. When it gets to some $X, I'll take it out and blow it.
and finally Ali "UFC Ring Girl" Sonoma left "The Mole" tonight. No, I don't; but my wife does.
QUOTE (Ron_Mexico @ Tuesday, June 17th, 2008, 6:24 PM)
Huh? explain
QUOTE (KDawgCometh @ Tuesday, June 17th, 2008, 9:00 PM)
a spolier was posted, blue complained, spoiler and blue's post was deleted, now blue is upset
actuary posted a Mole spoiler (ya, i know, not a big deal, but it was last night's show). By the way, it's still there.
I told him that's why the spoiler tag was invented.
someone called me a whiner, i told them to screw off.
Not sure why it was deleted. Perhaps the sanctity of the MMA thread was threatened.
Been a member here since the beginning and more than 25K posts and it's the first one that's ever been deleted.
whatever.
so, the only thing the Newspaper editor hates more than spoilers is censorship? Go figure
QUOTE (jeff_536 @ Tuesday, June 17th, 2008, 8:06 PM)
actuary posted a Mole spoiler (ya, i know, not a big deal, but it was last night's show). By the way, it's still there.
It's "The Mole." And there are still 25 remaining contestants.
Not like I gave away the winner of the "Next Food Network Star"
So what is the time frame to leak such sensitive info?
just jokes.
What network is showing the Affliction "Banned" event?
Fight Network? which I don't get.
So far it's not listed on our PPV menu; but maybe it's too soon.
Fight Network? which I don't get.
So far it's not listed on our PPV menu; but maybe it's too soon.
Hermes Franca vs Frankie Edgar, Brandon Vera vs some no name at 205 also on the July 19th UFC hijack card.
Also UFC resigns Jake O'Brien to fight Cain Valazquez... card really filling out now
From Meltzer's column:
Wednesday will be a major day for the company as at noon Pacific time, White is going to make the much-talked about major announcement to his staff. He conceded that a lot of fans will think it's a disappointment, but in his view, it's huge, comparing it to the announcement of the Bud Lite sponsorship deal earlier this year, which he thinks as a corporate partner was gigantic but it was not a major story within the MMA world.
Shocker. Sounds like a new ownership deal more and more.
The Anderson Silva vs Jame Irvin fight is just a facepalm to me. It makes little sense other than the fact that Dana wants to get Silva on gen cable to get his name out there to sell more PPV buys for a superfight when the time comes. I guess he is pretty confidant James Irvin is going to get slaughtered. Dana also said win or lose, Silva will defend the middleweight belt before the end of the year. Personally, I would much rather have seen a Silva/GSP matchup before Silva vs any of the light heavies. The only person GSP has to fight is BJ now. I don't think anyone else in 155-170 is on the same level AINEC. It would be tough to find a 185'er to give him a rough time. GSP/Hendo?
Wednesday will be a major day for the company as at noon Pacific time, White is going to make the much-talked about major announcement to his staff. He conceded that a lot of fans will think it's a disappointment, but in his view, it's huge, comparing it to the announcement of the Bud Lite sponsorship deal earlier this year, which he thinks as a corporate partner was gigantic but it was not a major story within the MMA world.
Shocker. Sounds like a new ownership deal more and more.
The Anderson Silva vs Jame Irvin fight is just a facepalm to me. It makes little sense other than the fact that Dana wants to get Silva on gen cable to get his name out there to sell more PPV buys for a superfight when the time comes. I guess he is pretty confidant James Irvin is going to get slaughtered. Dana also said win or lose, Silva will defend the middleweight belt before the end of the year. Personally, I would much rather have seen a Silva/GSP matchup before Silva vs any of the light heavies. The only person GSP has to fight is BJ now. I don't think anyone else in 155-170 is on the same level AINEC. It would be tough to find a 185'er to give him a rough time. GSP/Hendo?
QUOTE (Ron_Mexico @ Tuesday, June 17th, 2008, 10:07 PM)
so, the only thing the Newspaper editor hates more than spoilers is censorship? Go figure
I'm a living cliche.
QUOTE (Actuary @ Tuesday, June 17th, 2008, 10:19 PM)
It's "The Mole." And there are still 25 remaining contestants.
Not like I gave away the winner of the "Next Food Network Star"
So what is the time frame to leak such sensitive info?
just jokes.
Not like I gave away the winner of the "Next Food Network Star"
So what is the time frame to leak such sensitive info?
just jokes.
No worries, sir. Just some 'roid rage.
QUOTE (BigLebowski @ Wednesday, June 18th, 2008, 7:29 AM)
The Anderson Silva vs Jame Irvin fight is just a facepalm to me. It makes little sense other than the fact that Dana wants to get Silva on gen cable to get his name out there to sell more PPV buys for a superfight when the time comes. I guess he is pretty confidant James Irvin is going to get slaughtered. Dana also said win or lose, Silva will defend the middleweight belt before the end of the year. Personally, I would much rather have seen a Silva/GSP matchup before Silva vs any of the light heavies. The only person GSP has to fight is BJ now. I don't think anyone else in 155-170 is on the same level AINEC. It would be tough to find a 185'er to give him a rough time. GSP/Hendo?
I'm a big Irvin fan, and I don't think he's really a cakewalk for anybody. I don't think he'd beat Silva but he is an aggressive fighter who can pose problems for anybody.
As for GSP, I think there's still a Thiago Silva fight that is interesting to a lot of people. I think Thiago loses the same way he lost to Fitch though, but I think Thiago has improved a bunch since then.
I really don't think they need to panic and have cross division fights yet. I think the LW and WW and LHW divisions are deep enough to keep things interesting. The MW division is still a bit weak, but there's some good things happening now. Bisping is looking pretty good as of late and could be in contention in a few fights. I think they should get Filho out of the UFC and into the UFC title picture. He's a big waste there imo.
QUOTE (outsider13 @ Wednesday, June 18th, 2008, 9:39 AM)
I'm a big Irvin fan, and I don't think he's really a cakewalk for anybody. I don't think he'd beat Silva but he is an aggressive fighter who can pose problems for anybody.
As for GSP, I think there's still a Thiago Silva fight that is interesting to a lot of people. I think Thiago loses the same way he lost to Fitch though, but I think Thiago has improved a bunch since then.
I really don't think they need to panic and have cross division fights yet. I think the LW and WW and LHW divisions are deep enough to keep things interesting. The MW division is still a bit weak, but there's some good things happening now. Bisping is looking pretty good as of late and could be in contention in a few fights. I think they should get Filho out of the UFC and into the UFC title picture. He's a big waste there imo.
As for GSP, I think there's still a Thiago Silva fight that is interesting to a lot of people. I think Thiago loses the same way he lost to Fitch though, but I think Thiago has improved a bunch since then.
I really don't think they need to panic and have cross division fights yet. I think the LW and WW and LHW divisions are deep enough to keep things interesting. The MW division is still a bit weak, but there's some good things happening now. Bisping is looking pretty good as of late and could be in contention in a few fights. I think they should get Filho out of the UFC and into the UFC title picture. He's a big waste there imo.
him and silva won't fight due to being stable-mates. Rarely do you ever see two brazilians fight each other from the same team
QUOTE (KDawgCometh @ Wednesday, June 18th, 2008, 9:55 AM)
him and silva won't fight due to being stable-mates. Rarely do you ever see two brazilians fight each other from the same team
Yeah, that really sucks because they are the 2 best MW in the world right now AINEC.
Originally I thought that GSP vs Silva would be a good fight. A friend of mine hung out with GSP for a bit and said that he is pretty small. The guy is huge for his size if that makes sense, but is clearly a welterweight. I think GSP might actually win the fight. but Silva would apparently have a huge size advantage.
No clue why Anderson is fighting James right now. Aside from the TV time. I would like to see Anderson and Vanderlei fight. That would be pretty exciting to watch.
Another thought. Is it me or does Rampage look super huge compared to Forrest. Rampage reminds me of the incredible Hulk. I like both of them a lot. I would actually like to see Forrest win the fight. But Rampage looks so big....
No clue why Anderson is fighting James right now. Aside from the TV time. I would like to see Anderson and Vanderlei fight. That would be pretty exciting to watch.
Another thought. Is it me or does Rampage look super huge compared to Forrest. Rampage reminds me of the incredible Hulk. I like both of them a lot. I would actually like to see Forrest win the fight. But Rampage looks so big....
QUOTE (steve7stud @ Wednesday, June 18th, 2008, 2:00 PM)
Another thought. Is it me or does Rampage look super huge compared to Forrest. Rampage reminds me of the incredible Hulk. I like both of them a lot. I would actually like to see Forrest win the fight. But Rampage looks so big....
Yeah, I thought he looked wayyyyy bigger too, but that may be because he put on weight with his injury. He does have a big head though.
The big announcement is.....
QUOTE
LAS VEGAS – Lorenzo Fertitta, the president of one of the most successful casino chains in Las Vegas, resigned his position with Station Casinos on Wednesday to work full-time with the UFC.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_ylt=AsFt...o&type=lgns
The "Big" Announcement is that Lorezo Fertitta has resigned from Stations and will be managing the UFC along with Dana White. About as lame as you can get for an announcement that's gotten delayed who knows how many times.
Rampage is actually not a big 205'er. He gets kinda fat when not training, because he hates training and doesn't train year round like a lot of other fighters do. Forrest is huge for 205, he has a big frame and cuts a lot of weight. Rampage doesn't cut much weight for his fights.
Rampage is actually not a big 205'er. He gets kinda fat when not training, because he hates training and doesn't train year round like a lot of other fighters do. Forrest is huge for 205, he has a big frame and cuts a lot of weight. Rampage doesn't cut much weight for his fights.
QUOTE (steve7stud @ Wednesday, June 18th, 2008, 3:00 PM)
Originally I thought that GSP vs Silva would be a good fight. A friend of mine hung out with GSP for a bit and said that he is pretty small. The guy is huge for his size if that makes sense, but is clearly a welterweight. I think GSP might actually win the fight. but Silva would apparently have a huge size advantage.
No clue why Anderson is fighting James right now. Aside from the TV time. I would like to see Anderson and Vanderlei fight. That would be pretty exciting to watch.
Another thought. Is it me or does Rampage look super huge compared to Forrest. Rampage reminds me of the incredible Hulk. I like both of them a lot. I would actually like to see Forrest win the fight. But Rampage looks so big....
No clue why Anderson is fighting James right now. Aside from the TV time. I would like to see Anderson and Vanderlei fight. That would be pretty exciting to watch.
Another thought. Is it me or does Rampage look super huge compared to Forrest. Rampage reminds me of the incredible Hulk. I like both of them a lot. I would actually like to see Forrest win the fight. But Rampage looks so big....
GSP is a monstrous welterweight though. I have heard he walks around at 190-195 and into the cage well over 180. Absolutely no proof of that though. I also thought Silva was on the small side for a middleweight. He doesn't cut much weight does he?
I just don't see how Forrest wins that fight, but one thing is for sure.....it is going to be one hell of a fight. If you know one thing it's Forrest is not coming out just for the paycheck.
What a warrior Amir is. Sure hope he beats CB again. I am looking forward to what he can do in the UFC. He has alot of raw talent and a unbelievable chin. Be intresting to see how good he can get.
What a d-bag Jesse is. What a retard.
What a d-bag Jesse is. What a retard.
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Wednesday, June 18th, 2008, 11:38 PM)
What a warrior Amir is. Sure hope he beats CB again. I am looking forward to what he can do in the UFC. He has alot of raw talent and a unbelievable chin. Be intresting to see how good he can get.
What a d-bag Jesse is. What a retard.
What a d-bag Jesse is. What a retard.
Dude needs to quit drinking. Otherwise he seems like a decent dude, if a bit immature.
Amir is all class and would make a great winner for the season, but CB is a beast and it will be tough to beat him twice.
QUOTE (RabidTortuga @ Thursday, June 19th, 2008, 12:02 AM)
Dude needs to quit drinking. Otherwise he seems like a decent dude, if a bit immature.
Amir is all class and would make a great winner for the season, but CB is a beast and it will be tough to beat him twice.
Amir is all class and would make a great winner for the season, but CB is a beast and it will be tough to beat him twice.
I was thinking CB was going to win this season easily, but he did not look like the same fighter he has in the past. His stand-up was very sloppy and his gas tank was running on empty. This may be attributed to living in the House, not having the normal prep time and etc, but no excuses Amir pulled it off. I'd like to see Amir win as well, he would be the most unlikely winner ever considering the guy has 0 pro fights. It's amazing he's even in this spot and to me even if he does lose, he'd still be a co-champ because him and CB would be 1-1.
QUOTE (steve7stud @ Wednesday, June 18th, 2008, 2:00 PM)
Originally I thought that GSP vs Silva would be a good fight. A friend of mine hung out with GSP for a bit and said that he is pretty small. The guy is huge for his size if that makes sense, but is clearly a welterweight. I think GSP might actually win the fight. but Silva would apparently have a huge size advantage.
No clue why Anderson is fighting James right now. Aside from the TV time. I would like to see Anderson and Vanderlei fight. That would be pretty exciting to watch.
No clue why Anderson is fighting James right now. Aside from the TV time. I would like to see Anderson and Vanderlei fight. That would be pretty exciting to watch.
I think GSP would get picked apart by Anderson. Anderson is a BJJ blackbelt by the machados IIRC(either one of the machados or one of the nogeurias, so it wasn't an easy blackbelt). Anderson is also a superior striker and sooo much taller then GSP. There would also probably be a good 15-20 lb different along with the height difference
I'd love to see Anderson fight Wanderlei, but a fight like that would be foolish to be done right now. It would be a waste to do it on free TV and w/o a several month buildup. A fight like that could do a big buy-rate and the UFC brass has shown so far that they have the long vision
what was the big shocker on TUF - i'm at work and didn't see it
oh-and be sure to "spoiler" tag it - or pm me. never know who might be reading
oh-and be sure to "spoiler" tag it - or pm me. never know who might be reading
QUOTE (KDawgCometh @ Thursday, June 19th, 2008, 12:17 AM)
I think GSP would get picked apart by Anderson. Anderson is a BJJ blackbelt by the machados IIRC(either one of the machados or one of the nogeurias, so it wasn't an easy blackbelt). Anderson is also a superior striker and sooo much taller then GSP. There would also probably be a good 15-20 lb different along with the height difference
I'd love to see Anderson fight Wanderlei, but a fight like that would be foolish to be done right now. It would be a waste to do it on free TV and w/o a several month buildup. A fight like that could do a big buy-rate and the UFC brass has shown so far that they have the long vision
I'd love to see Anderson fight Wanderlei, but a fight like that would be foolish to be done right now. It would be a waste to do it on free TV and w/o a several month buildup. A fight like that could do a big buy-rate and the UFC brass has shown so far that they have the long vision
Yeah Silva's a blackbelt under the Nog brothers. Its a legit blackbelt, but there are still some holes in his ground game that I think some of the top notch grapplers like a Maia, Leites or Toquinho could exploit potentially down the road. GSP would get finished by Silva. He's too small for Silva and his only chance would be to get takedowns and try to grind out a decision, but I don't see that happening.
I like the move up to 205. There's some interesting fights for him up there and he has the frame to be able to fight at 205. There's really nobody worthy of a title shot at 185 yet. The winner of Cote/Almeida should probably fight Okami to determine who gets the next title shot. Of those 3, Almeida has the best chance at dethroning Silva.
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Wednesday, June 18th, 2008, 9:20 PM)
what was the big shocker on TUF - i'm at work and didn't see it
oh-and be sure to "spoiler" tag it - or pm me. never know who might be reading
oh-and be sure to "spoiler" tag it - or pm me. never know who might be reading
i am sorry but spoiler tags are not neccessary when discussing mma events after they air in the mma thread. Jesse Taylor got drunk and kicked out a window in a limo then went into one of the Ferreita's(sp?) casinos and proceded to act like a jack ass. he was kicked off the show and CB(who lost to Amir by 3rd round armbar) and Dan fought for to take Jesse's spot in the finnalle. Cb won a 3rd round decision.
I feel ad for Jesse. He did dumb shit, and will get a shot, but they killed us having him talk about his kid and his future last week then showing him pissing it all away.
Anyone else not really get into this season? I just felt distanced from getting to know all the fighter. The two fights a week took away from it, I guess.
Anyone else not really get into this season? I just felt distanced from getting to know all the fighter. The two fights a week took away from it, I guess.
urm, how is hoofing out a window of a limo and acting like a douche somehow more severe than basically demo'ing the entire house, for which they faced no consequences?
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Wednesday, June 18th, 2008, 10:00 PM)
urm, how is hoofing out a window of a limo and acting like a douche somehow more severe than basically demo'ing the entire house, for which they faced no consequences?
I am sure the fact that he had a very boring but effective style had nothing to do with the decision
. He was also playing the big shot when security came and playing the I am famous and I am in the UFC card. Dana said that LV is the UFC's hometown and he doesnt want his fighters disrespecting it.
Can't blame Dana here. Pulling the 'Do you know who I am? I'm a UFC fighter.' to security while ****in shit up left and right can't be had.
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Thursday, June 19th, 2008, 12:00 AM)
urm, how is hoofing out a window of a limo and acting like a douche somehow more severe than basically demo'ing the entire house, for which they faced no consequences?
one as done behind the scenes of the public and within control of editors, the other was public and represented the UFC brand horribly.
yeah that makes total sense - i haven't seen the episode yet so i didn't see the extent of his trying to play the "i'm a ufc fighter" card
HOW BOUT THAT RICHMOND BOY?? haha, so awesome. somebody on TUF that I'm actually rooting for actually makes it. that kid is just so freaking tough its ridiculous. and to me it looked like he had some of the most raw talent of anybody in the house with his explosive and constantly attacking standup, plus when he was on the ground it always looked to me like his submission searching was just natural to him. that helps.
also, I don't think enough credit was given to tim credure on the show or in here for getting out of that attack cb had on him in the second round. I really have no idea how he stood back up and kept fighting. it was weird to see how both of those dues improved so much just from the what, three and a half weeks?, they were out of the house.
was it just me or did anybody else think that CB was pretty damn easy to knock down? it was weird. it wasn't like he didn't have a good chin because he wasn't getting knocked "out" per se, but I remember I think it was 4 separate occasions where he was knocked down by a punch or a kick. wonder what that comes from, a lack of balance or something? either way, it looked like a HUGE gap in his game to me and hopefully amir will train to exploit that. and takedown defense. that would be nice too.
yeah, I think even if he didn't kick out the window or harass the ladies, if he had been super drunk and yelling "do you know who I am? I'm a UFC fighter" to security he still would have been kicked off. that seems to be dana's absolute biggest no no for the fighters: making the UFC look like a bunch of thugs and idiots. can't say I blame him. still feel bad for the guy though, and it is kinda nice that it doesn't look like the door is completely closed for him since dana said call him in a few months. I'd bet money he hasn't had a drop to drink since then (at least if he's smart).
also, I don't think enough credit was given to tim credure on the show or in here for getting out of that attack cb had on him in the second round. I really have no idea how he stood back up and kept fighting. it was weird to see how both of those dues improved so much just from the what, three and a half weeks?, they were out of the house.
QUOTE (jayboogie @ Thursday, June 19th, 2008, 12:16 AM)
I was thinking CB was going to win this season easily, but he did not look like the same fighter he has in the past. His stand-up was very sloppy and his gas tank was running on empty. This may be attributed to living in the House, not having the normal prep time and etc, but no excuses Amir pulled it off. I'd like to see Amir win as well, he would be the most unlikely winner ever considering the guy has 0 pro fights. It's amazing he's even in this spot and to me even if he does lose, he'd still be a co-champ because him and CB would be 1-1.
was it just me or did anybody else think that CB was pretty damn easy to knock down? it was weird. it wasn't like he didn't have a good chin because he wasn't getting knocked "out" per se, but I remember I think it was 4 separate occasions where he was knocked down by a punch or a kick. wonder what that comes from, a lack of balance or something? either way, it looked like a HUGE gap in his game to me and hopefully amir will train to exploit that. and takedown defense. that would be nice too.
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Thursday, June 19th, 2008, 1:00 AM)
urm, how is hoofing out a window of a limo and acting like a douche somehow more severe than basically demo'ing the entire house, for which they faced no consequences?
yeah, I think even if he didn't kick out the window or harass the ladies, if he had been super drunk and yelling "do you know who I am? I'm a UFC fighter" to security he still would have been kicked off. that seems to be dana's absolute biggest no no for the fighters: making the UFC look like a bunch of thugs and idiots. can't say I blame him. still feel bad for the guy though, and it is kinda nice that it doesn't look like the door is completely closed for him since dana said call him in a few months. I'd bet money he hasn't had a drop to drink since then (at least if he's smart).
QUOTE (Sal Paradise @ Thursday, June 19th, 2008, 5:57 AM)
I'd bet money he hasn't had a drop to drink since then (at least if he's smart).
I'd be willing to take ANY amount of action you want on that.
This is a dude who literally drank to the point of pissing himself. More than once.
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Thursday, June 19th, 2008, 6:06 AM)
I'd be willing to take ANY amount of action you want on that.
This is a dude who literally drank to the point of pissing himself. More than once.
This is a dude who literally drank to the point of pissing himself. More than once.
yeah he was a pretty big idiot. I would just think that getting to the finals of TUF and then getting kicked off because you're a drunken idiot would wake you up. I guess it depends on how serious he really is about the sport. but to be fair, I think he just enjoyed pissing himself, drunk or not.
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