Considering you watched the last two fights through the link I posted, how about a little less attitude, and a little more GRATITUDE, jerk.

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Said after UFC 84 (tonight is UFC 85)



SEMI SPOILER


well, crap. I jinxed myself.
Tough night for favorites
And please don't come saying the one fight was stopped to early, it was not.
Bummer for NM, of course huge advantage to get that knee in. And if you have the energy to do a power bomb, please finish with 2:30 to go and you got top pos.

Went 1-5.


Glad I bougt it no doubt. Good to see so many of the fighters who will be fighting for those belts in the next couple of years


ON SNAP... Big Brown goes down. (well not really, but it rhymes)

I'm guessing that you have me confused with someone else. I purchased 84 and the only other fight that I even tried to watch illegally was the Mir/Lesnar fight but I didn't make it past the first fight on the card because of drag.

aimagain

Wow he is pretty good.

lol

Yeah, I think many folks took losses today.
Funny how going 1-5 kills several events going 4-3, 5-2, 5-2. With the payoffs as they are.
Pickd a bad night to basically dbl my stakes

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I don't want to argue with strangers from the internet.

Let's be friends.

Besides, your words, they hurt me.

Thanks Aim. After buying the last 20 cards I took the freebie here. Only caught the last four fights though and read about the rest.

Performify's worst performance in quite a long time. I like how he added in his column this time these were his "public" bets.

I went 3-4 with a slight $ loss thanks to Luiz Cane. He was by far my biggest bet. Won on Cane, Alves, and Kampmann. Lost on Laudin, Vera, Davis, and Day.

I was really disappointed in Davis and Day.

Took a bath on Big Brown. If I have an excuse it's that I placed my bet before I knew he had an injury and before they said they weren't going to shoot him up with roids. Either way, I really didn't think it would matter. I need to stick to UFC and keep away from ALL other sports betting. So far this year I was about 700% ROI in UFC and like 2/10 in sports bets.

Day looked like -- well I mean clearly, he quit.

Bisping was a monster and Day could not control or slow him down at all on the ground and pound.

I made some bad bets that were not well thought out.

For some reason I was surprised to see how much bigger Swick was than Davis. Shouldn't have been surprised for obv reasons though.

I just caught the rest of the fights I didn't get to see earlier. Horrible point deduction in the 3rd on Marquadt. He absolutely dominated that fight with the exception getting floored and briefly mounted in the 1st. The Vera stoppage was beyond horrible. He was trying to shake and covering up well the entire 10 seconds he was in the mount and there were only about 18 seconds left in the round. This is the same ref who let Kimbo take flush elbows for well over a minute. What a jopke.

I spoke too early about this card not being worth it. I think I might have paid for it just to see Hughes take repeated knees. The last one was classic highlight reel material.

I can get behind that sentiment
I'm wondering from what Joe sid, if the "back of the head" includes the sides of the head that are behind the ears, and if that's where the elbows landed? My DVR mysteriously deleted the fight after seeing it


Totally disagree, but I'm in the minority I'm sure. Iwanted Vera, had money on him, like him.
I recall Joe? saying that covering your face was not "inteligently defending yourself". He was not making (progress) attempting to buck Werdum, or control his hands, or pull his head down. He ate some big punches.

just decided to look this up from wiki:

Technical Knockout (TKO): If a fighter cannot continue, the fight is ended as a technical knockout. Technical knockouts can be classified into three categories:
referee stoppage: (the referee determines a fighter cannot "intelligently defend" himself; if warnings to the fighter to improve his position or defense go unanswered—generally, two warnings are given, about 5 seconds apart)

Honeslty, probably, I'm just tired of every UFC/MMA being dominated by discussions of referee/judges decisions. Had Vera been pummeld for 25 secods staight before it's stopped, then everyone is pissed the fight is called with 5 secs left. Can't you lose byTKO with 30 secs left? I think the line between TKO and KO is there for a reason.

Brandon could use a step down in competiton and maybe a re-assesment of his choice to fight HW.

A Hughes/Serra fight goes from a ME to a early card fight in 6 months. After Hughes last 2 and Serras destruction does anyone think they can sell this fight?

I can't see them selling a card on it, but it would be a great fluffer (as in 3rd from top) or an even better UFN headliner.

I watched the card tonight a couple of times. Time Warner showed it twice.

For the most part I thought it was a pretty good event.

One thing that sticks out is how technically solid the fighters are in the UFC compared to other organizations.

I had no action on the fights tonight, so I wasn't really "rooting" for anyone.

Pretty safe to say that Matt Hughes is past his prime.

For those who decide to bet on UFC fights that don't take place in Vegas, consider a few things........Strange things happen when fights DON'T take place in Vegas. Not sure how to explain it, but it just seems odd. You also don't get a very strong analysis from this forum. Believe it or not, some of the people that come on here and express opinions, are pretty friggin good at handicapping these fights. Sadly there was very little analysis on this card. Performity has a reputation for picking favorites. I certainly don't agree with his strategy. However, he can provide useful insight. I just don't think he understands handicapping all that well.

Hope you guys didn't lose too much on these fights. In the future, please feel free to ask for my opinion. Even if I am not betting, I would be more than happy to share my thoughts. Not sure how that would have played out tonight......but hopefully it can help at some point.

It's the ref's job to use discretion with the rules. Every rule can have a potential gray area. That was just retarded though stopping the fight after maybe 12 seconds of a flurry of punches/hammer fists with nothing behind them, most of which were blocked by Vera's elbows. It's a little harder than you think to control the posture of a high level grappler like Werdum. He had a strong mount in that situation and Vera was not going to shake him off there without expending a ton of energy, but Vera knew there wasn't much time left in the round, so he was covering up, moving his head and trying to avoid damage and riding out the rest of the round. If there was more time left in the round, I'm sure you would have seen Vera attempt to escape. Regardless, Vera barely took any damage, was not hurt and could have easily continued, so I see no reason to stop the fight. This is the same ref that let Kimbo take elbows in his face for 2 minutes straight btw.

I was actually pretty accurate on my picks. I picked Alves, Leites, Swick, Cane, Kampmann. Didn't get Vera and Day, though Day was a pretty decent price and Vera I think got screwed in his fight.

I was curious why everyone was picking Davis, because I saw Swick taking this fight easily. There was just no way Swick was going to get into a war with Davis and that was going to be Davis' only chance in this fight.

Alves did what I expected him to do and Hughes is pretty much done as a fighter other than a fight with Matt Serra.

The Leites fight was interesting. The Decision was a good one based on the point deductions. Leites clearly won the 1st round to me and with the 2 point deductions definitely takes the fight. The 2nd point deduction was not a good one, but Marquardt also illegally spiked Leites on his head and followed up with a knee to the face on the ground at the end of the fight. So, thats a point deduction in my eyes. It was a great technical fight though and I wouldn't mind seeing a rematch. I give Leites a ton of credit for fighting through that knee. That knee he got hit with partially knocked him out, he was on queer street and grabbed Herb Dean's leg. He could have quit right there and gotten the DQ win, but he fought on like a warrior. You never really fully recover from that and he was at a disadvantage the rest of the fight. I love watching fighters that put it all on the line like him and will tune in everytime he's fighting.

hmm, I wouldn't quite say that. Any handicapper worth a damn knows to use more than one source for their betting information, but some of the posters on this forum (yourself, jayboogie, jc, biglebowski, etc) are excellent at breaking down the matchups, fighters and styles. There's a ton of good analysis here when we get discussions going about the fights.

I think he meant for fights not playing in Vegas.

Looked like several of the punches hit square to me
When it's hopeless to escape, I'm not sure where the rules say you can take shots for 30 seconds. Is the clock, analogous to using the out of bounds line as a second defender in soccer?
Again, Vera left it up to the ref when he got put into that spot, and I'm not going to support ref bashing after every freakin MMA event.


I realize that's Meger???? same ref as Kimbo.
Werdum was hitting much harder fwiw.

I'm not so much defending the call(s) as much as wishing we could see the gray and understand it's part of the sport. If you really think it was an outrageous stop with no excuse, well, I can't understand that.

well done



I was going by their past fights, with recent history weighing more. I'm sure I didn't take into consideration enough that Swick had made a tough weight cut in the last fight. It's a challenge for me to analyze someone skill independent of the fights, and Davis looked more impressive, imo,

What made you go for Swick? What was your thought process?

Personally, Davis has probably made me as much money as any other fighter so I had a hard time betting against him. If I would have went with good analysis instead of my history with him I wouldn't have bet him. Swick was obviously going to come in as the bigger fighter, has a very solid chin, and like you said Swick was not going to get into a stand up war with him. I was kind of surprised that Swick was so effective in Davis's guard though. I thought Davis had improved significantly from the bottom and Swick kind of abused him from the top.



Agree 100% with this. Hughes is a one and a half trick pony and good fighters with good takedown defense will tool a guy like that every time. I said to bdc at the end of the first round that Alves needs to start throwing some knees and it will be all over. BINGO.

Come on..you got pretty lucky on Leites. I didn't bet this fight, but I thought Marquadt pretty much dominated him with the exception of the very brief period Leites had the mount after flooring him. Of course the knee to the head probably had a good bit to do with that as I agree a fighter doesn't really recover from that even given five minutes. Leites is such a warrior. He kind of had a pissed look on his face when Herb called the doc into the ring.

Need to clarify this. Obv don't have 700% ROI. 700% increase in BR is what I meant.

Kid to the WEC? Wishful thinking. Sad thing is the vast majority of the MMA community would think Faber is being thrown a chump. I don't see Kid destroying Faber in the standup, but he definitely has an edge even with Faber's hard earned standup skills. Who would be the bigger fighter here? I know Kid has fought at LW, but isn't he more in line with the bantamweights?

I don't agree with Torres beating Faber, but it surely would be a war. I think Faber is just too big for him and wouldn't take it to the ground unless he floored Torres. I don't see Torres winning the stand up and I certainly don't think Torres has the power to KO or TKO Faber.

Fabiano/Faber would be another incredible fight and I see this fight happening before the other two.

Won Werdum and Alves, lost Marq Day and Davis, finished up as I got +190 on Alves early and +140 on Werdum late. Lucky though as I thought Marquardt was a good bet and Day would do more, but overall not a bad card although I missed the Werdum/Vera fight I can't comment on the stoppage, if anyone has a gif or anything it'd be greatly appreciated.

Fight you are looking for

Hope you like French. Blah blah blah blah, superman punch, blah blah blah blah.

It wasn't hopeless to escape, Vera just chose not to waste his energy, because there was not much time left on the clock. Werdum landed maybe like 2 or 3 shots and those were mostly arms punches, I just don't think Vera took enough damage to warrant a stoppage. Vera was moving his head and had his arms up covering most of the punches. I just think fighters train too hard to lose fights in controversial fashion like this.

Also if you notice, Vera is moving his body and tryna shrimp and scramble to get back guard. He just wasn't going to leave an arm out there or try and grab Werdum's arms and get caught in a submission. He was also telling the ref he was ok and it's like I said, he was mounted for a little over 10 seconds at most. That whole rule of intelligently defending yourself should really only apply when a fighter is getting pounded on for a lengthy period of time or has been for a significant amount of the fight. God knows how many fights would get stopped if all you needed to do win a fight was get mount and flurry some punches for a bit and get the stoppage win. The fact of the matter is Vera was perfectly fine and not hurt at all. There's just no reason to stop a fight when a fighter is not hurt and able to continue.

It just came down to styles and competition. Davis was also beating inferior competition, while Swick has fought the much better competition and did well at a higher weight class. Styles also make fights and I knew Swick's reach would give Davis problems and I felt Swick was better in the clinch, better wrestling and better ground game. Davis had the edge in power, but he has to be able to land to use it.

Davis has improved from the bottom, which is why he didn't get dominated there. Swick's gotta pretty smooth ground game and it was nullified for the most part, but Davis gave up the takedowns too easy and didn't let his hands go enough, it seemed like he wasn't willing to commit to his punches fearing being taken down.

I wouldn't say that Leites got lucky, because he was winning a close fight before getting hit with that knee that basically knocked him out. The right guy won the fight imo given all those fouls Nate commited. Marquardt didn't really dominate either, he landed some effective punches while Leites was on his back, but he didn't do a whole lot in Leites' guard. The knee really changed the fight and I'd like to see a rematch personally.

Having re-watched the fight, I think there's no doubt Leites deserved to win that fight. Nate was very dirty in this fight and should have been DQ'd. The knee didn't look so accidental, because he grabbed Leites' head and knee'd him while his knee was clearly on the ground, looked kind of on purpose. The elbows to the back of the head also may have been legit too because Nate hit him with 2 elbows before the last elbow they showed on the replay. Those 2 looked like they were to the back of the head. The piledriver was dangerous and illegal and I'm sure Herb Dean would have stepped in if there was more time left in the fight.

I don't expect the fights to happen either anytime soon or ever. Kid's fought at 155 as well, so 145 is no problem for him. He can make 135, but I think the majority of his fights have been in the 140's. Faber would probably be bigger, but I don't think it would matter. Kid has awesome wrestling and standup that's light years ahead of Faber.

Torres has better standup than Faber and I don't see size playing a factor here. Torres is stronger than he looks, especially in the clinch. I think the Pulver fight just made Faber's standup look better than it is. He leaves himself open for counters with wide shots and someone with good striking accuracy like Torres would pick him apart.

The fights I have seen with Kid he looks like he wouldn't do well with someone who will pressure him as much as Faber would. As far as standup goes, in his recent fight Rani Yahya buckled his legs a couple of times. Rani Yahya!!!! I am pretty sure he doesn't even make anyone's top 100 strikers for that division.

So Dana White is supposed to make some mind blowing announcement on Thursday. Have heard speculation that its the signing of Floyd Mayweather(I seriously doubt its this just because of the money he would command), A network tv deal(fingers crossed), or Anderson Silva vs Chuck Liddel in September. Should be intresting.

Floyd Mayweather rumor is BS. People just put 2 and 2 together given Mayweather's recent retirement from boxing and Dana's big announcement. There's no way they're going to pay Mayweather some unreal amount of money to get him in the octagon.

Another rumour I've heard which seems to be legit is that Dana is purchasing the UFC along with a group of investors including Vince McMahon as a minority owner and that they'd be going public as well. The other part of it is they would be sanctioned in New York and be putting on a show there sometime in the near future.

Neither of those I would consider to be "mind blowing"

yikes

the WWE was sure well represented in the crowd at Lesnar/ Mir though. Just having the name Vince Mcmahon name associated with the UFC would set it back imo.

Dana considers everything a mind blowing announcement, so I wouldn't really expect anything major anyways.

Ain't this the truth.

My vote goes to a major network TV deal with NY sanctioning coming in a close second. Who knows, maybe he'll announce an October fight in NY on ESPN.

That makes no sense.

I believe Dana stated over the weekend that it wasn't a TV deal. I really hope they didn't sell the company...

I highly doubt thisone too, and for a couple of reasons: 1) I don't see why on earth the Ferrtitas would even consider selling the UFC as its just been too much of a golden egg for them since TUF and they put a lot of time into it to get it this profitable. 2) Vince has had the opportunity to buy it in the past or get in on it and has turned it down. Now, of course WWE isn't in its most healthy state but its miles away from being in the red for a year like it was in the mid 90s. I don't see him making that kind of move




WWE wrestlers have been going to these events for a long time. Undertaker has been an MMA fan for a long time as has Austin, so it wasn't surprising that they were there. You'd only want to take on full notice of something being up if you saw someone like TripleH or Stephanie


vince wouldn't set back the UFC as he knows marketing like no one else. One forgets fast how much money the WWE made from 98-01/02 and Vince had a massive hand in that. Dana White would still be the main UFC figure, and tbh, there is a lot of Vince McMahon in Dana White

OMFG SOOOO lame. Merchandising deal with action figures. BOOOOOO

Sorry, no links..just watched it on MSNBC

I could not agree more.

I think that was just a different announcement. Dana said there is still a big bombshell Thursday and it doesn't involve WWE, network TV, or going public

Just dont want to see Dana Whites Limo blow up on TUF followed by a homosexual wedding between GSP and BJ Penn.

Because that's exactly what would happen if Vince got involved in MMA

Fabiano/Faber one step closer?

IFL heading towards bankruptcy?

Wow, this is never a good sign (from that article on IFL)

My tv is dissconnected for the night so can someone give me the winners from TUF semis tonight? please and ty

Just one fight tonight:

Jesse wins vs. Tim, 30-27, 30-26, 30-26

cool ty, of course they saved the amir/c b fight for last.

You don't? What's wrong with you? And I can't wait until GSP comes out of the homophobe fanboys turn on him. I'd love it if he was gay, not because I'd do him, but just because it would be hilarious. Ok, I'd probaby give him a handy, just to say I did. I digress

I hope Amir wins, he cracks me up.

That little teaser at the end, I wonder if it's real or just editing hype to sell the next show. If it's real, my guess would be Jesse being a drunk moron. If it's not, it's one of the losers doing something stupid and they wouldn't have been in the UFC anyway.

I thought the loser in tonights fight could've done so much more instead of going for homeruns the whole time. He didn't properly set anything up, just swang for the fences.

Spoilered response:

I think Tim was the much smaller fighter and decided to just let Jesse lay in his guard and, like you said, swing for the fences on submissions. He looked scared to do much else, imo.