I like fitch alot but I would bet GSP anything less than -400. Who is left for GSP at 170 if he beats Fitch? Maybe Alves if he beats Hughes. Any word or rumours who Lesnar is gonna fight now?

Some intersting lines on Bodog.

Welterweights -Preliminary Bouts - Sat 24th May 08 Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Jon Koppenhaver
+140

Yoshiyuki Yoshida
-170

Yoshida has fought the better competition and beaten the likes of Akira Kikuchi and Katsuya Inoue who are both solid fighters and is riding a hot streak right now. War Machine is very tough though albeit a little limited as far as technique goes. I favor Yoshida in this fight due to his experience edge. I'm not sure how much value if at all you're getting better that line though.

Heavyweights -Preliminary Bouts - Sat 24th May 08 Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Shane Carwin
-180

Christian Wellisch
+150

A lotta hype around Carwin, but Wellisch is a decent fighter with a solid camp at AKA. He's also coming off 2 straight UFC wins albeit weaker competition, but still it won't be his UFC debut like it is for Carwin. I don't know enough about eithe rfighter to choose a side though.


Welterweights -Preliminary Bouts - Sat 24th May 08 Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Jason Tan
+250

Dong Hyun Kim
-325

I don't know enough about either of them, though Kim is hyped pretty good and Tan got destroyed by Marcus Davis.

Middleweights -Preliminary Bouts - Sat 24th May 08 Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Ivan Salaverry
-170

Rousimar Palhares
+140

Salaverry is more well rounded, but I just don't know where his head is at. His last fight against Martin was just weird and given that this might be his last fight, I don't know how motivated he will be for this one. Palhares has a good reputation too and certainly is capable of winning this fight. I like him in this one at these odds.

Light Heavyweights -Preliminary Bouts - Sat 24th May 08 Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Rameau Sokoudjou
-265

Kazuhiro Nakamura
+205

I think Soko is too strong and big for Nakamura, has better striking and will be able to control where this fight goes. I see Soko taking him down and landing some Ground and Pound and winning a decision. Nakamura is just not too dangerous or aggressive of a fighter and I think you need to be in order to beat Soko. I just don't reallly see Soko losing this one, because Nakamura hasn't shown much finishing ability in the past.

Lightweights -Preliminary Bouts - Sat 24th May 08 Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Rich Clementi
-260

Terry Etim
+200

I like Etim at those odds. He's very lanky and that makes for a dangerous guard. He's pretty good standing and should be able to work his game off his back too if he gets taken down, which is probably likely. I don't really see Clementi being able to finish him either, so I think Etim's a live dog in this one.


Light Heavyweights -Ultimate Fighting Championships 84 -MGM Grand Garden Arena, Nevada - Sat 24th May 08 Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Wilson Gouveia
-130

Goran Reljic
EVEN

I'll go with Gouveia on this one. He's got the expiernce edge and he's won 4 straight UFC fights. Both are highly touted ground fighters and I think it'll come down to who has the better stand-up. Gouveia does not have the best striking, but he does have power, so I give him the edge there.


Light Heavyweights -Ultimate Fighting Championships 84 -MGM Grand Garden Arena, Nevada - Sat 24th May 08 Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500

Thiago Silva
-850

Antonio Mendes
+550

Not going to bother with this one at those rediculous odds, Silva should walk right through him though.

UFC 84 - Light Heavyweights-Sat, May 24th (11:00pm EST) MGM Grand Garden Arena, Nevada Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Wanderlei Silva
-190

Keith Jardine
+155

Jardine just never gets credit from anyone, because of his awkward style. I think his awkward style will give Silva fits. Silva will try to make it a brawl, while Jardine will play the distance game and use his leg kicks to set-up his punches. I don't think Jardine has shown the best chin, so that concerns me a bit, because Wanderlei can certainly catch him and knock him out. I like Jardine to pull out the decision though.


UFC 84 - Light Heavyweights-Sat, May 24th (11:00pm EST) MGM Grand Garden Arena, Nevada Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Lyoto Machida
-200

Tito Ortiz
+160

Tito's only real hope in this fight is to take Machida down and grind out a decision. I think he will ge tin some ground and pound, but he's going to have to be careful not to open up, because Machida has very good BJJ. Standing, I think Machida is going to out-point him easy. I think Machida also punches harder than he gets credit for. He hurts people in his fights, he just doesn't jump on them and look for the finish as he has a more cautious approach to fighting. I think Machida is one of the top guys at 205 and he should prove it in this fight.

UFC 84 - Lightweights - May-24-2008 - MGM Grand Garden Arena, Nevada 11:25 pm EST Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
BJ Penn
-250

Sean Sherk
+200

I'm with BJ all the way on this one, though I wish the odds were better. Still, I think there's value to picking him, because I see no way BJ loses this fight I think BJ just destroys Sherk and dominates from every position. I feel Sherk's wrestling is overrated anyways, he had trouble taking down Nick Diaz who isn't exactly known for his takedown defense. Diaz just wasn't letting his hands go enough and allowed himself to get outworked. I think BJ will probably catch Sherk standing, knock Sherk down and then pass Sherk's guard, mount him and pound on him till Sherk gives up his back and then Sherk gets choked out. Everybody knows Sherk's plan is to take BJ into the latter rounds and hope BJ gasses, I just don't see that strategy working when BJ himself knows this as well.

I think that Jay adds a lot of great points. Not sure that I agree with all of them, but it opens up the spectrum a bit more. I'm leaving for Vegas in the morning. So I will have to check this response from JC's computer.

Question? Hermes Franco caught Sherk with two flying knees and was unable to do any real damage to Sherk. Is BJ's punching power stronger than a flying knee?

Just in general, I think people underestimate BJ's standing. Just because he is a JJ wizard he holds his own on the feet, BJ's never been KO'd and only TKO'd in the Hughes fight I think, but that was when BJ himself admitted to not training. It would sure be nice to see BJ win by KO here.

I think Sherk has a solid chin. I wouldn't necessarily plan on knocking that guy out or doing a lot damage standing. He actually has fairly good standup defense, even though his stance is god awful. I don't know why, but I see this ending from a triangle from the bottom, even as strong as Sherk is. I don't think Sherk will be able to pass guard, and with Penn's flexibility, I think it will happen.

The rear naked choke is probably the likely finish.

We just got floor seats, 4th row....shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip

They offered all the fights in the sports book too, which is great....I only made two bets so far, a small one on BJ at -240 and a small one on Mendez at +500 just for a sweat. The rest of the lines I think will move in my favor in the next 24 hours once the fans start betting. At the moment though Machida was awesome at -180, I'm gambling to see if I can get him at a better price tomorrow.

We went to the weigh ins and the place was PACKED, They went by really quick and nothing exciting really happened other than Tito came out to a lot of cheering from the fans, he took off his his jacket and had a shirt on that said DANA IS MY BITCH, the crowd went nuts. He looked to be in really good shape, but I guess he always does.

Judging by the crowd, I'm fairly sure most people are betting on Tito..

.Also, everyone there seemed to be rooting for BJ, obv. BJ came out with the most serious face I've ever seen on him, like he was ready to murder someone. I was expecting him to try and punk Sherk in the stare down but all he did is stare at him with an insanely mean look. Hoosier thought BJ looked scared, I think he looked psycho. The only thing that I didnt like was that he started chugging a gallon of water immed after the weigh-in, he might have had to cut a lot of weight, but at the same time I know a few fighters do that water thing just to throw off their opponent. Who knows.

I have a feeling I won't be able to sleep tonight.

We just got floor seats, 4th row....shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip

They offered all the fights in the sports book too, which is great....I only made two bets so far, a small one on BJ at -240 and a small one on Mendez at +500 just for a sweat. The rest of the lines I think will move in my favor in the next 24 hours once the fans start betting. At the moment though Machida was awesome at -180, I'm gambling to see if I can get him at a better price tomorrow.

We went to the weigh ins and the place was PACKED, They went by really quick and nothing exciting really happened other than Tito came out to a lot of cheering from the fans, he took off his his jacket and had a shirt on that said DANA IS MY BITCH, the crowd went nuts. He looked to be in really good shape, but I guess he always does.

Judging by the crowd, I'm fairly sure most people are betting on Tito..

.Also, everyone there seemed to be rooting for BJ, obv. BJ came out with the most serious face I've ever seen on him, like he was ready to murder someone. I was expecting him to try and punk Sherk in the stare down but all he did is stare at him with an insanely mean look. Hoosier thought BJ looked scared, I think he looked psycho. The only thing that I didnt like was that he started chugging a gallon of water immed after the weigh-in, he might have had to cut a lot of weight, but at the same time I know a few fighters do that water thing just to throw off their opponent. Who knows.

I have a feeling I won't be able to sleep tonight.

I could be wrong but isn't it dangerous to rehydrate rapidly like that? I feel like one of the earlier ultimate fighter seasons showed one of the guys cutting and rehydrating in detail - and I feel like they said you have to start out with a little water at a time to work your body into it or whatever. Which would make chugging a lot of water not a real sign that he cut tons of water weight. I am sure they drink very little water leading up to the weigh in though just to make sure they don't throw anything off - which has to make you mighty thirsty. But probably not fully dehyrdated.

All I remember about that was I think it was Southworth and Dana said 'a lot of fighters rehydrate differently' and Southworth was just pouring water into a water bottle cap and drinking that.

All I remember about that was I think it was Southworth and Dana said 'a lot of fighters rehydrate differently' and Southworth was just pouring water into a water bottle cap and drinking that.

My fight plans just fell through!!!!!!!!!! Freaking baptisms.

ARG!
I'm stuck at the house, anyone got any links for online viewing they could PM me?
Hope the Silva clinch is destructive tonight. I'm betting that and most likely Machida.

also, what a sick armbar by palherias(sp). I want to see that guy fight more

Hey guys, havent looked at any results yet. I wanted to buy the fight, but was "late" and couldnt buy it. So i want to know if its worth it to buy the replay at 1am. I still dont know if I will be able to (just moved in with a friend, idk why it locked me out or if i can buy it), but i want to know was it worth it? I really wanted to see but just dont want to get ripped if it was a dud. Let me know. Thanks love you bye

Hey guys, havent looked at any results yet. I wanted to buy the fight, but was "late" and couldnt buy it. So i want to know if its worth it to buy the replay at 1am. I still dont know if I will be able to (just moved in with a friend, idk why it locked me out or if i can buy it), but i want to know was it worth it? I really wanted to see but just dont want to get ripped if it was a dud. Let me know. Thanks love you bye

Buy it IMO. Quite exciting.

Sherk had no answer for BJ's jabs. W00t. Kind of surprised it never went to the ground until the stoppage. But an otherwise dominating performance as I expected.

Wanderlei - very impressive - it was a must win and he showed why he is one of the top fighters in his division. What's next for both of them?

Tito...it looked like he was trying - but he just couldn't get anything done. That final submission attempt was impressive and unexpected - that would've been an amazing finish...but at that point he was all but done anyway. Too little too late. Pretty boring fight overall

What was up with them throwing 2 of the prelim bouts in there towards the end? I said to my buddy's, this must've been a 1 minute bout that they decided to throw in there. Turned out to be true for both of them...I didn't mind it since they were so quick, but I was getting all pumped for the big fights and then was like, what is THIS!?

I guess thats why even with wins over Chuck and forrest Jardine was getting no respect. That dude was gone.

Good for BJ. I would have perfered him to break something of Sherks though. GSP/Penn is more realistic than GSP/Silva.

Great for the PPV buyers. We got every match I wanted to see. Good for War for not tapping.

edit: why on eart was it good for War Machine to not tap. IMO that's just retarded and being indigant just to be indigant. there's nothing pussy about tapping and when a dude has it locked in that badly, just tap, you aren't a bitch for tapping and anyone who would think that you're a bitch for tapping is a tard

ZOMG soooo sick....I'll write a full "fight experience report" later cuz I'm gonna go get drunk right now. BUT all I will say for now is that Steve hooked up the best seats in the house, I have BJ Penn sweat on my hand (don't take that the wrong way), I got a fist pound from Soku and Machida, I made 2,600-ish, and I'm pretty sure Mandy Moore blew me a kiss.

fuuucking awesome.

How many people with bets on Machida (myself included) had mini-heart failure when Tito locked in that arm in the 3rd round late though??

ZOMG soooo sick....I'll write a full "fight experience report" later cuz I'm gonna go get drunk right now. BUT all I will say for now is that Steve hooked up the best seats in the house, I have BJ Penn sweat on my hand (don't take that the wrong way), I got a fist pound from Soku and Machida, I made 2,600-ish, and I'm pretty sure Mandy Moore blew me a kiss.

fuuucking awesome.

How many people with bets on Machida (myself included) had mini-heart failure when Tito locked in that arm in the 3rd round late though??

When the best thing you can say about an undefeated fighter is that he's "elusive", he'll never be a headliner. I don't think Machida's mother would buy a pay per view that he headlines. Sure, the guy has a plan and executes it, and has terrific takedown defense, but he is as boring as balls to watch. I thought Tito tried to push the action, he was always going forward, but couldn't get anything going. Too bad. Oh well, the UFC showed class and let him go out the right way. I'm convinced that ALL the smack talk is just to get PPV sells, and who could blame them? If my check was based on it, I'd say anything.

ZOMG soooo sick....I'll write a full "fight experience report" later cuz I'm gonna go get drunk right now. BUT all I will say for now is that Steve hooked up the best seats in the house, I have BJ Penn sweat on my hand (don't take that the wrong way), I got a fist pound from Soku and Machida, I made 2,600-ish, and I'm pretty sure Mandy Moore blew me a kiss.

fuuucking awesome.

When BJ was walking in, if you paid attention, you could see Jenna Jameson on the rail with a camera and Tito standing behind her with a hat on. I found it odd that he wouldn't be backstage or in some luxary box, if they have them.

I thought the dark haired chick sitting to her right with the black and white shirt (if I remember correctly) looked a tad hotter. Either way though.

As I watched last night, I always wondered about the mindset of people who reach out and try to touch and grab the fighters on their way in. I'm not being a dick, I'm just curious as to why someone would do that. I just don't have that type of personality, someone who needs an autograph or to tell a celeb I like their work or whatever. Just curious.

Sounds like a great experience and great time. Celebs they showed on TV last night.
David Spade (you could see him mouth the words "Oh shit" after Jardine got KTFO)
Laura Prepon
The Rock
Shaq
Jason Statham
Mandy Moore (Joe Rogan said "groupie" and Mike Goldberg repeated it. Awkward)
I'm sure there were others, but I can't remember.

When BJ was walking in, if you paid attention, you could see Jenna Jameson on the rail with a camera and Tito standing behind her with a hat on. I found it odd that he wouldn't be backstage or in some luxary box, if they have them.

Like I said, it sounds like a great time, and watching a fight from that close, you'll never be able to go back to the cheap seats.