hahah

I'm definitely betting largeish on Machida. If I can get Sherk at +200 or better I will bet him (small bet). Still up in the air about the Jardine fight, will probably just flip a coin.

rnd 2 & 3.
BJ v GSP

http://www.myvideofight.com/video/ufc/ufc-...sp/index-8.html

Machida is one of my favorite bets that I have ever made in the UFC. I tried to convince myself to bet on Sherk, but I can't seem to pull the trigger. I could change my mind pre-fight. Vanderlei looked pretty good in his last fight against Chuck. I think that Vandy is going to knock Jardine out or get a tko.

http://mmajunkie.com/news/4271/mma-wagerin...osing-lines.mma

not sure if you all read ths already

My brother is planning a Vegas bachelor party for his friend and he wants to center it around a UFC fight. The wedding is in January, so sometime between this summer and January, preferably in the fall.

We're having a hard time finding scheduled fights, though. Any one point us in the right direction?

They don't promote them more that 2 or 3 at a time, so you are a bit out of luck.

I did find something last year that showed which licenses were applied for in Nevada (about 6 months before UFC 67) and I scheduled a trip around that and it turned out to be there. I wish I could find the same site because I've planned a trip there for November and I'd love for there to be UFC at the same time.

They ussually have a Vegas show the last Saturday of December. After 86 in July nothing is concrete yet. I imagine there will be at least 1 more Vegas show between then and the December show. Subscribe to UFC fightclub for the first shot at tickets before they go on sale to the general public.

Thank you all.

Does anyone have any thoughts on the undercard for UFC 84?

- I LOVE Rich Clementi, his attitude, work ethic, and fighting style etc., hopefully he takes this and can get a big fight in a few months

-If this is Salaverry's last fight, I hope their air a goodbye speech.

- Nakamura vs. Sokoudjou is really surprising to me as an undercard fight. They promoted both of them like they were something special in their debuts, so I don't know... I'd like to see it

Etim is a tough cookie, but I like Clementi in this one as well. Unfortunately, I think the line is going to be outrageous.

I know it's not on the undercard, but Thiago Silva anything south of -500 is where the majority of my money is going.

Yoshida if he is a big dog.

I've heard Palhares is supposed to be solid, but don't know how good his standup is. Salaverry is not easy to submit so it should be a great grappling match.

I'm intersted to see Sean.
Otherwise, I am quite ignorant and feel it lacks interest.

I'd bet Soku early

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So, I'm liking Griffin at +200 more than Jackson at -260
I have not bet yet though

somebody please explain to me why matt brown is so "bad." thanks.

Well, I would have to say because he has no defense standing, obv has no ground game, and doesn't look like he can throw knees either.

I like Luke Z's blog on MMAjunkie and all, but it looked like he got so tired he passed out.

I'd probably go the other way on this one and pick Etim depending on the odds. Etim has good stand-up and has a pretty solid ground game as well. I think he has a solid shot at winning this fight. I felt Stout won the fight against Clementi. I gave Stout the last 2 rounds and had him winning a close fight.

Salaverry is very well rounded and if he comes into the fight focused and prepared, I can see him winning. Given his last performance, I'm not too sure where his head is at. His fight against Martin was just strange and I'm still not sure exactly what happened.

I meant "bad" in a michael jackson way not a nickelback way, but yeah, he didn't impress me at all. I was just wondering why everybody in the house and dana and all of them kept saying how "crazy" and "mean" he was when he just didn't show it at all in the ring. I think we call that an "asshole."

I agree the Stout/Clementi fight was very close, but I don't see how Stout won it. Etim has good standup, but I don't see Clementi standing with him. Etim showed zero takedown defense against Tibau. He was mounted twice, had his back taken, and did not show that he can do anything against a seasoned ground fighter. I see he has 3 triangles on his record, but obviously those weren't against people that have a clue...they are a combined career 1-4 on sherdog. Having said that, Clementi is not on Tibau's level of BBJ, but I do think he possesses more of a gnp game. Clementi has been fighting or in camp for the better part of a year so I can see a little burnout if anything.

That Salaverry/Martin fight was crazy strange. I don't remember hearing any injury reports, but I wouldn't be surprised if Salaverry damaged his shoulder or possibly broke his forearm as he was trying to lock up the kimura when he was suplexed. I mean, he didn't even try to move after he hit the ground and was up on all fours as soon as the ref stopped it. He just doesn't strike me as the type of fighter to just give up...meh.



I knew what you meant, but I was never a MJ fan. I think he is just tough as nails which doesn't always equate into a great fighter.

By the sounds of things, if you look at his history (hung on the streets, multiple stints in jail, etc.) He just sounds like a pissed off, angry SOB. I think that's more of what they meant. I wasn't expecting him to really kill this kid, as Matt didn't look that impressive in his "get in the house" fight, but he appeared to have heavy hands/feet when he did throw them on occasions. He just seemed timid to throw after he got popped a few times at the beginning. That was a hell of a 2nd fight. It looked like both guys pretty much had cast-iron chins and it was a matter or who gased first.

How do you analyze when there are unknowns like this,
Do you know his opponents or training
He fought 9 times in 2007 and has won 11 strait.

I'm really curious

I have a hat that has a bunch of numbers in it. I usually let my wife pull one out, but sometimes I will do it myself.

It's easy...google is my friend. It doesn't take much. Have I ever actually seen one of his fights...negative. I have seen enough of Thiago's to have a good amount of confidence in him against the vast majority of 205'ers.

With the exception of the KSW 7 tourney, the guys Mendes has fought don't exactly impress me. The guy he beat in the finals has lost 4 in row, but against good comp. Realistically, I would expect this to open somewhere in the -220 to -280 range which I think would be very very good value on Silva. However, history has shown a big UFC fighter vs an unknown usually leads to lopsided lines. If I remember correctly, a couple of the sites google brings up on Mendes say he shouldn't be overwhelmed by Silva. I can't remember the name of the town he is from in Brazil, but I read on a couple of sites it is a vale tudo hotbed. Time will tell.

Plus, the guy looks like Kalib Starne's twin brother in his sherdog photo. s/w

Could this be on the sleeper underdogs? Me thinks not.

What do you know about this guy? Talk me out of committing BR suicide. Seriously.


And you bring up a good point, why does it seem like fighters everywhere but in the UFC fight several times a year? Do they just have too many fighters under contract? Do they really make that much more money than everyone else? Even if they do it's still not huge money unless you are top top tier.

gg sir

I have no clue.

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I'm a bit disappointed in the TUF showe so far.
Fights are a bit blah since the inital battles
And I'm not getting much out of the coaches either.
Maybe just me

Yea I think the coaches need to have a genuine dislike for each other for that story to work. i am still really pumped for there fight though

Actually, I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic.
I don't care much for drama anyway.

The 2nd fight tonight was pretty solid

I think they start talking sh.it starting next week .... I love both of them, I don't know who I'd want to root for in the fight.

I think I like this one more than the others because I think rampage and forrest are hilarious. I could probably watch a show just following rampage around all day saying stupid/hilarious things. also, it hasn't even really gotten started good yet I don't think. usually the first round fights pretty much suck and get better as the show progresses.

I think this season is a bit weaker because they're squeezing in two fights per episode. There's no time to get to know the fighters really. I enjoyed seeing 35-40mins of the interaction, then the fight at the end. The first fight this week started just after the 1030pm break.

I don't get the feeling that Rampage is a good coach, all joking aside.

It seems like he is one of those guys that is a great fighter, but needs to be told what to do, or has great natural instincts. These are things that don't translate well as a coach.

Forrest, while not as naturally talented as Rampage, "appears" to have a better handle on the coaching.

I like Forrest a lot. I'm not sure if I can see how he wins a fight against Rampage though. I guess I see the fight going to decision and Rampage doing most of the damage. Obv, if I could figure out a way that Forrest would win that would be great for me. He will come in as a pretty heavy underdog come fight time.

But for now, I really want to focus my efforts on UFC 84............Two weeks away.

So I finally got around to it and signed up at the Xtreme Couture gym today here in Vegas, I got there at around 3:30 and by the time I was leaving they were closing the Gym down for Pro Training...It was pretty sick, I was signing my papers and buying all the shit I need to train, when Gray Maynard walks in...then Tyson, then Forrest and a bunch of other sickos were all chilling there, I've never been so careful not to bump into somoene in my life. They all look like nice guys though, and I got to see a little of their training, it was pretty sick. Anyway it should be fun, I'll make sure to post if anything cool happens. I think my UFC debut is set for October vs Silva.... or Hoosier... depending on who wants to take the fight.

If they ask, just say that you're Brazillian. It'll work.

seriously, keep us posted JC

Is that Jeff Stryker in yur av???

If so.....loFl

the one and only

meh, Leben pulls out of 85 against Bisbing. That card is cursed.

Bisping/Day to undercard and either Rivera/Kampmann or Leites/Marquardt to the main card seems easy to me, but that may just be because I'm not a Bisping fan at all.

“… I know there are a lot of people out there doing steroids, cheating and every time I run into one of them, I’m going to call them on it and then I’m going to beat the shit out of them.… It’s going to be a historic night because all the kids out there will realize that you can do it with just hard work alone … he wants to say he has heart and all this different shit, but you can’t confuse steroids with heart…. It’s two different things, a guy with heart is a guy doing it with blood, sweat and tears, waking up with the sore back, the sore body.… What would happen in the old days when you get caught with a couple of aces up your sleeve, they kill the guy right there and that’s why I say Sean Sherk is dead….”

A fired up UFC Lightweight Champion, BJ Penn, talks about his upcoming title defense against Sean Sherk at UFC 84: “Ill Will” at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada, on May 24. “The Muscle Shark” tested positive for steroids after his win against Hermes Franca at UFC 73: “Stacked” in July 2007 and has not competed since because of a six-month suspension. Penn doesn’t like steroids or steroid users very much … this one is personal.

mmamania.com

I really hope he follows through here.

It seems like every fight they have these days is personal in the UFC.

UFC will do what it can to pump up fights.

The only fight that was really personal imo was Shamrock vs Ortiz. Obv other people don't like each other etc. But at the end of the day, if these guys let rage cloud there vision, it is a no win situiation.

Often at the end of most fights, each guy will say that they did it to help publicize the fight itself and there really wasn't much if any bad blood. I wouldn't start buying into the whole "I hate him theory". These guys are paid to fight whoever.

Realistically, Sherk has been out of the game for a year. And we have no idea if and how many steroids he was taking.

BJ, usually does well in the early rounds of fights, but I always question him the longer the fight goes on. Don't get me wrong, I really want to see BJ win.

He said something that was intersting in an interview. Ideally he wants to beat Sherk in the first round. I would have loved to have heard BJ say that he wants to punish Sherk for 4 rounds, and knock him out in the 5th. Just my thoughts.

Yeah I heard that as well. He said something like Sherk's only chance was to get him tired... that concerns me a lot, I really hope BJ doesn't embarrass himself.

Me too, I have nothing personally against Sean Sherk, although there is obviously a question mark over his head regarding steroids, but I do want to see B.J.Penn wreak havok!



I saw that too and him saying, "I've got just enough cardio to put you away." makes me worried. I check out the videos on BJPenn.com and hope he comes in, in shape, but I am scared he'll gas if he doesn't finish Sherk early. He looked in good shape coming into the Stevenson fight, but it's hard to tell because he basically just murdered Joe.

I'm of the understanding that was for money and hype as much as any other fued

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templa...5&zoneid=13

excerpt:

Ortiz-Shamrock Feud Was Not for Purists, but it Brought in the Dough

While most hardcore MMA fans were not particularly looking forward to Ortiz-Shamrock III, the fact remains that Ortiz vs. Shamrock is the biggest-drawing feud in United States MMA history, and this was further cemented by the monstrous rating that their third fight drew on Spike TV.

As previously reported by MMAWeekly, significant elements of the Tito Ortiz-Ken Shamrock feud were worked, specifically the constantly repeated claim that they really, really hated each other's guts and could barely be in the same room without a fight breaking out.

None of their actual fights were worked in any way, but the feud itself was worked in the sense that their real-life dislike for each other was greatly embellished to draw money, and the embarrassing worked pull-apart scenarios on TUF 3 speak for themselves.

The business-oriented nature of Ortiz and Shamrock's "hatred" towards each other was all-but-acknowledged immediately after Ortiz' third victory over Shamrock on Tuesday night. After Ortiz flipped off Shamrock (in order to, as he put it, "put on the entertainment for the fans"), Shamrock approached Ortiz and could be heard on national television telling Ortiz, "It was all business, man. You and me made a lot of money together. It was all business." Ortiz then said in his post-fight interview that he has always looked up to Shamrock.


I'm like you and other true fans though, just let me see good fights. I don't need embellished back stories.

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BJ is going to be in shape, I don't get why people are even worrying about it. 155 is his natural weight class, he'll cut a few pounds to make the weight easy. He's already down around 162 right now and is looking strong and lean. When he was fighting at 170, he was not cutting any weight at all and not getting into optimal shape either.

Did anyone catch the Dream 3 card? The Alvarez/Hansen fight was awesome, fight of the year candidate already. I'm pretty surprised Ishida lost, but just shows Uno still has something left in the tank and that you can never count that guy out.

is that Eddie alvarez? I like him.

link?

here you go.
You lazy ass punk

http://www.mma-fight-video.com/

uh, thanks ?

LOL...Actuary quit getting in e-arguments w/ yourself!

Yeah I didn't see Dream 3 but good to hear Uno put on a good performance.

OMG you're sig made me LOL pretty ****ing hard...I hadn't seen that before.


Dream 3 was awesome...I <3 watching Diaz fight, his style always makes for exciting fights.....Eddie Alvarez looked sick, too bad I just saw Rich franklin escape that armbar a few weeks ago, or I would have been really impressed by Eddie's escape .

Yeah both the Diaz brothers have exciting styles. Nick's gotta work on his head movement though, he just leaves his head up in the air and doesn't move it. His punches also don't have much snap on them. He has a solid chin, but anyone can be knocked out with those little gloves on. Alvarez is definitely a force at 155 and would be a tough fight for anyone right now, he has good power, good wrestling and his very explosive. This lightweight grand prix has been awesome so far. I'm a bit disappointed that JZ is out, because I picked him to win the whole thing, but there should be some interesting fights left though with Alvarez, Uno, Kawajiri and probably Aoki in the semi's as well.