Heh heh, if you watch some of the earlier UFCs there were karate and ninjitsu fighters, but fortunately for them it didn't take long to realise that drunken monkey is not effective when you are being pinned against the cage eating elbows.

Keith Hackney was a badass though.

yeah, as I thought more about Ninjitsu or Ninjutsu, so many techniques are against mma rules.
Perhaps the difference between the killing arts vs the sport fighting.

it would be interesting to know: Who (or which discipline) can kill the most people

probably won't ever get that on ppv,

I smell business opportunity

OUCH!!!! OUCH!!!! OUCH!!!! OUCH!!!! OUCH!!!! OUCH!!!! OUCH!!!! OUCH!!!! OUCH!!!! OUCH!!!! OUCH!!!! OUCH!!!!

Bodog Fights..

chick broke her ankle as she was being pulled back and her foot stayed planted.
oh it looked horrible.

Anyone getting into the IFL?

where are you seeing these bodog fights? they on the internet somewhere? I know I saw some promotional thing on tv they had a while back, but nothing since.


I've looked at the IFL once (thats the one with teams right? kinda like a mix of a wrestling tournament and mma?) and from what I've seen I don't like it as much as regular mma like Pride and UFC and what not. Since its a team sport, they seem to be much more willing to submit and to not give it their all as they would have to if it were just a single fight. I don't know, its still kinda neat though. I wrestled in high school so it brings back some memories somewhat (although my memories are of me getting beat since I sucked, but whatever).

OMG so so so so so so sik!

As I saw it live, I didn't quite see the break initially, but knew within like 2 seconds something was horribly wrong by the way their legs were tangled...and of course her scream. Then they had to have super slow mo replay of it. Seriously...replays like that should come w/ a vomit warning.

Also the officiating in Bodog is kinda brutal. In that chick fight, the girl who ends up snapping her leg should have never made the 2nd round. She was getting PUMMELED in the 1st and I was semi-shocked they didn't stop it. Then in the men's fight before this fight...same thing. Thought the ref let that guy get killed for way to long.

Shake...it was on some sort of UPN type netweork here...not sure what it was, I barely caught it by flipping channels myself!

yep, IFL is on UPN.. it would be better if the announcers didnt suck.

o no allmost posted a MMA topic not in the MMA FORUM OMG lolol.

BJJ street fight.

this is kind of a random question. Ive never been in a fight before and am not a very big guy. 6 ft 155 pounds, athletic but not "beefy". and im not much of a striker. But i have trained with Julios Gracie. He trained with Senior Gracie family for allmost 30 years (Brazilian JuJitsu). And after about a month of that class ( this was couple months ago)i could FINALLY beat my bro in wrestingling. 189 p VT state champ, i pretty much own him ( huge milestone in my life, since the kid has been beating on me for o so long) but he would still knock me the **** out. He put one of his friends in the hospital during a boxing match. I dont go near him when hes drunk either lol...

ne ways my point is..... how do you think someone like me would do in a street fight againts a same sized person. I allways imagine me not even trying to throw, immeditly go for the clicnh, throw the guy to the ground with one of the dozen throws i know, and start throwing elbows. And he if he ended on top, i think it would be pretty easy for me to put an unexperienced person as hes throwing wildely into an armbar or triangle. break his arm, choke him out, or he will try to roll out of it and ill mount him...


lolol just funny rant. Just wondering how my training would actually work in real life fight.

You'll take him down and one or all of his friends will take your head off with a soccer kick. Do not go for takedowns in a streetfight where other people could interfere.

I have a similiar build to you, I'm 6'4 around 185, my advice to you would be bulk up like I am trying to do and continue doing BJJ but at the same time do Muay Thai to become a competent striker.

I'm a big MMA fan so you could say I'm very sceptical about the real use of martial art techniques. I did TKD for 4 years and it didn't take long to realise that forearm blocks and tiger stance is ridiculously ineffective against anyone except if they are using those techniques too. The definite most effective thing in my mind is to kick or punch someone as hard as you ****ing can. Thats it.

Crocop, Gonzaga, Fedor... those are the fighters you would see dominating fight to the death competitions.

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pretty good chuck link

Ok boys, Rampage v. Liddell this weekend....Lets get this thing going again.

I heard on the Scott Ferrall show on sirius this week that Chuck was seen partying it up at Pure nightclub til 4am the other day.
Not the kind of behaviour one would expect from a guy facing his biggest challenge in UFC in quite some time.........

Rampage is getting some respect in the sportsbooks -- here is Bodog's line, 2 days ago he was +155 so must be taking some money...

UFC 71- Sat, May 26th (11:00pm) Light Heavyweight Championship
MGM Grand Garden Arena, Nevada, USA Both must fight for action. No Parlays. Max $500
Chuck Liddell
-175

Quinton Jackson
+145

Chuck is taking this by KO in the 2nd baby.

I hope Chuck wins this one. Good fight with Parysian and Burkman as well. Tough to call these things now.

He's been known to do that. He was out partying all night before the Tito fight, and absolutely destroyed him. Rampage on the other hand is not someone you can take lightly.



Pulling for Rampage, he has the tools and personality to be a great representative and champion in MMA.

I was at the fight in Feb and Rampage said he wouldn't be ready for Chuck until after a few more fights. He's doing the high altitude thing at Big Bear so hopefully he is in shape and puts on a good show.

Chuck in 2. KO. This is his house !!

Its gonna be a close one. I love Chucko but I think Rampage might have a chance.

Hey guys,

Im going to the fight tomorrow night and I was just wondering how long this is going to take, theres 9 total fights with the first bout being at 5 05pm. I'm concerned because I'm supposed to be going out to the Tao afterwards but I have no idea how long its going to take.

ESPN is actually discussing UFC on PIT and SportCenter.

putting it in a good light.. so far.

Finally. geeze. THey discuss it

Lou Dabellow..something? sounds like ignoant Boxing Promoter.. (called it Human Cockfighting)
Joe Rogan(sp) holding his own

Joe: "What you don't understand, is your sport is being swallowed" "All the famous people there ever will be in your sport, exist today" "Lou, I love you. Big Kiss"

2006:
UFC beat WWE and HBO Boxing in Revenue

I'll have to avoid this whole forum after tomorrow for at least a couple days until i've downloaded and watched the PPV - but on a side note, how awesome was that brawl on the ultimate fighter? No gloves, no rules, and cement/rock floors. Who can ask for more?

ya that fight was pretty sweet, and that guy is def not all talk. Even after getting sucker punched/kicked twice lol..... he still gave him a pretty good beating.

"That was def. the most technical street fight, i have ever seen"


and i was wondering, i was thinking about hooking my comp up to our 32'' tv for the fight tommrrow night and the live stream should be running at around 500kbps, how do you think that would look on the tv? will it really be much diff from my comp screen?

haha, yeah cause that worked so well for tito against chuck. but no, for this fight I really am kinda worried about chuck. from looking at those odds, doesn't seem like vegas wants to call it too much either, which is a little scary. this could end up being one of the best fights of the year. or it could be over in 30 seconds. hell, I have no idea. everything you thought was gonna happen in every other main even in the last freaking 5 ppv's turned out the exact opposite, so there really is no telling.

alls I knows is thats I've got a friggin huge seven layer dip and a 12 pack of coronas, so I'll have a good time regardless. but I am currently still a little drunk from last night, so who the hell knows.

ESPN actually gave it some coverage?!?

Wow. About freaking time.

I was at a Canadian Casino last night and it was being covered all over the place on Canadian sports shows, including ESPN. I cannot figure out why it isn't given any real coverage here. Freaking WNBA gets coverage on ESPN, why not a real sport?

At least Soccer isn't being jammed down our throats these days.

The prelims go untill 7pm and the main fights last untill 10:30/ 11:00. It's a tittie fest so enjoy !

1st two were good fights.

uber sad face on the salivary loss. Just kinda... idk messed up. If he had a lil more time i think he could worked some good ****.



bong bowls and beer for all!!!!

ZOCKO -- big score for #7 tonight
decent card tonight, wish there were more big names - hope they don't become like boxers and fight once every 16 months or so

Black guys went 4-0.

interesting in light of the "white boys" comment from Lou Boxing Promoter on ESPN v Joe Rogan interview the other day.

lol.yes
My comment was a bit tongue in cheek, as so far, the Pride fighters were getting beat and "Dana wanted to show UFC superiority"

Quinten caught Chuck with a Chuck like hook

Dana has such a stable now.
To me it seems there are going to be several bitter fighters as Gonzales, Quinten, Silva and maybe others I cant recall, get higher profile opportuniteisso quick. Then again, it's hard to argue when they kick butt. And on the other hand, Diego bombs in a big chance for him. So, in all, I'd say they know what they are doing.

Like this guy fighting Silva in UFC 73. I need to look him up though.

I watched Bodog fights for the first time last night, are there any guys with talent there? They all seemed to suck horribly.

Anybody watching the Belfast ppv? I mean, are they really charging for this one? I may watch it, but thats mainly because I'll be in Myrtle Beach with my parents and my dad will probably want to go out drinking.




So let me pose a question: where does Chuck go now? What's his next move? Seems to me he has two options: take about 2 or three fights in light-heavyweight to get back to a title shot there, or move up to heavyweight and take on the winner of the Couture/guywhobeatCroCop fight.


Honestly, I think I'd rather see him move up to heavyweight personally, but I doubt he wants to let the loss to Rampage go unchallenged. Maybe move to heavyweight, take the title, then get the shot at light heavyweight and try for both belts at the same time. That would be pretty sweet.

Discuss.

I have no specific thought of Chuck.

I will buy this Belfast fight. Kdawg helped sell the fight. Belfast crowds are fanatic and you have Forrest and Franklin, two guys who always make exciting fights. Well who am I kidding, I'll watch any fight. I do want to see the asian again, he's been looking great; but is Mike Swick really a test? Who knows. Until they match up I can't tell you.

But back to buying *any* UFC. Dana has me by the balls. Most of us. Which, imo, will lead to resentment and perhaps backlash if we don't start seeing more top contenders and title fights and evidence that fighters can actually progress to a title shot instead of what seems to be a run of newcomers getting shots prematurely. Or, also, seeing the depth of talent I want to see so many more strong matchups and...but maybe I'm just eager and UFC is certainly putting the best product of any fighting ppv to date.

/nonsensical rant

fwiw, look at Karo Parisian v Diego v Josh and figure that out? I still want to know where was Diego that night? Or, where was Karo, it just doesn't add up. I need to see a 8 man welterweight Tourney, now. Right now. $150, I'll pay.

I heard Brock Lesner won his first MMA fight, anyone see it?

I read on another forum he ended up fighting a replacement of the person he was supposed to fight. I'll see if I can find a clip.

*Edit, can't find a clip but from what I read he just took the guy down and landed a bunch of punches, nothing that special.

I dont know who he's fighting, but Brock looks pretty good to me

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x25kyw_br...snarvsminsookim

I did -- waste of $34.95 on K-1 Dynamite! show -- bought it mostly for the Royce Gracie - Sakuraba rematch. Lesnar beat an asian judo guy in less than 2 mins, basically tackled him, mounted and pounded him out -- pretty basic, a lot of people think Brock has a bright future, we'll see as he steps up in competition. The Gracie-Saku rematch was boring, 3 5-minute rounds to a decision, nothing like the 90 minute war they had 7 years ago, Royce won the decision in relatively boring fashion. Former Detroit Lion WR Johnny Morton made his mma debut, got knocked out cold in less than a minute or so, taken out on a stretcher, there was a link on espn.com but I don't see it up anymore...

ok I just realized that UFC Belfast is on at 3p.m. est here in the states. thats almost comical. what in the world man.

Not sure why they didn't put this one on spike tv. The card is pretty weak, and like you say, the time is screwed too...I certainly won't be ordering.

I'm back and forth here

I'll probably wait and see if it was a solid card and buy then.
Probably buy it by-the-fight on the site

I'm more frustrated than anything with all the fights to be had and this is the best card they can do?
I guess lots o guys don't want to travel?

Of course by next week Kdawg will have me pumped to buy it.

The next next PPV looks great though

stephen quadros is probably the best MMA announcer in teh biz.

I'm a fan of teh IFL. we get to see a lot more fighters and I like that they use a ring. The fighting level is very high quality and I always watch it when it's on

IMO Brock has a very bright future. He is a bit beat up from all of the wrestling he did in the fed and in japan, but has spent enough time away from it to recover. He is still young and is an olympic quality wrestler (he didn't go into freestyle or greco-roman because you basically have to give up your life to do it and he knew taht he could get a huge contract from either the WWF, WCW(remember they were still alive when brock came out of college), or NJPW. Brock is also one of the strongest guys already in MMA and if he can adjust to the submission and punching game, he'll be nearly impossible to defeat





I will. The crowd will be white hot and Franklin and Griffen almost never have bad fights. This card isn't as loaded as the next card is, but Tyson Griffen should put on a solid show and the prelim card has some exciting fighters. This is the kind of show where some fighters can possibly put on some very good fights

so who will be the first to die in the UFC?

man, ref..get the **** over there a bit sooner!

and, Are these guys on 'roids, or they just can't stop fast enough when the dude goes stiff.
I swear, some of them get the crazies.

fischer/stout was a brawl and a half. great fight.
both those first 2 knockouts were sick.

Good for a laugh if you haven't seen it (Daily Show)

http://www.comedycentral.com/motherload/?ml_video=88475

ok..I bought it.

give me some good fights!

Clay and Tyson, awesome

Forrest fought smart, picked him apart, obvious weight cutting had drained him

Frankiln controlled his fight
I'm not a big fan of his... I mean he's a monster but what's his mo?

sincerely,
Ignorant Casual Fan


74 and 75 cant wait!!

Did Clay Guida get hosed or what? did anybody see that fight going to Tyson Griffin? I sure as hell didn't. Awesome card though, very surprisingly. First time I've seen an Ed Herman fight that I could consider "good" too.


Highlights: Griffin/Guida fight, after its over, after 3 rounds, Guida gets up and runs around the ring and a guy in the bar behind me yells "and he's STILL fucking running!"

Forrest Griffin coming out to "Shipping up to Boston" in freaking Northern Ireland. That was one of the coolest things I've ever seen. That crowd loved that boy, I tell you what. Oh, and his post fight interview where he apologized to Ramirez saying "sorry, I know its hard to fight a guy who's running away from you." classic.


and Franklin's arm? how does he still have it exactly? I give him a shit ton of credit for sticking through that submission, where a LOT of other fighters would've tapped.

yea, that kimura was dead nasty. I seriously don't know how he didn't tap or it didn't get stopped to be honest. Also gotta give props to Tyson Griffen for not tapping to that nasty knee bar too. Guida had that in real deep

yeah...see... I ..uh... I turn my head when kimuras are applied.
Can't watch.
Dislocated a shoulder more than once. Won't watch those.
Until Joe say "He's out!" And then I'll rewind the DVR.

Lesnar fought a complete bum.

Some great fights with Fisher vs Stout and Griffin vs Guida, man the LW division is awesome right now. All I need now is for Jens to KO BJ and the UFC to bring back Frankie Edgar. I couldn't give a damn about Chuck to be honest, he spent so much time fighting guys who tried to take him down he forgot about proper boxing technique. I honestly don't know if I'd give him a shot at beating Rampage, nor make headway in the HW division. Crocop KILLS him.