Agree completely.

Spoken from someone who obviously has never fought

This sounds like my buddy when we were watching the Bisping/McCarthy fight. He's screaming that Bisping was doing no damage and all of the knees were being blocked. I basically said I wouldn't be surprised if both forearms are broken. Needless to say, that fight ended with harmless knees too

what a bummer.

injury? I wasnt to excited for that fight anyways. The whole card was kind of weak compared to some of the other ones of late.

I agree. But Liddell/Evans beats any replacement fight. Maybe Mir/Nog on two months notice? This card needs a big pick me up. If they add nothing new, it should at least mean we'll get it free.

no surprise

http://mmajunkie.com/news/4186/ufc-cuts-st...performance.mma


and bummer on Liddell obv.

Oooh that Bisbing/Leben fight at 86 has my attention.

There's supposed to be more to the Starnes fight than just a bad performance. I think he's had his issues with the UFC for a while now and it probably played a part in his performance for the fight. He also claims that he requested his release instead of being dropped. I guess we'll find out more in the next few days.

Who cares what his "issues" with the UFC are (allegedly crying about medical coverage or lack thereof, and money, saying it shouldn't "cost" them money to be fighters) that was not the way to air them.

Dana's quote said it best:


Does it really matter if he was canned or they granted his wish for a release?

Kalib Requested Release

It's not exactly a protest, but I think Kalib just decided after getting hurt that it wasn't worth getting knocked out over what he was getting paid.

It doesn't exactly matter how he was released, but it is one sided reporting for them to not get Kalib's side.

I'm not one way or another right now and I'm going to wait for some more information to be released before I take a side.

Who cares who "requested" the release. I'd have rather seen Starnes back out of the match than to pull that shit. If he was hurt or didn't want to fight, let them showcase some other guy who DOES want to prove himself and get on the big stage. I'm firmly planted on the UFC side of this argument.

Don't sign a contract for $10K per fight if you aren't willing to get KTFO?? Don't sign such a restrictive contract if you are going to bitch about it?? I don't think he is going to convince any Joefan what he did was the right thing to do.

What if Randy and Rampage did the same thing in their next fights though? Would you think differently about it and say "you now what, they're right, Dana is a prick and they sure did F*&$ him."

Or just hold out completely. That's better.

What Kalib did was a joke. Try to win the fight, go down swinging trying to do it. You know how many guys have finished fights with broken bones. To say you won't do it for only 10k is ridiculous. He should be happy he made it on to the televised card. Had he tried harder, maybe he would have won a 75k bonus like Goulet did.

What he did in the fight was no different than what boxers tend to do when they decide they can't win the fight. They fight to just survive and not get knocked out.

Would it have been more entertaining for him to go out and still try to win the fight and get KO'd? Yeah probably, but at the same time we're not in there fighting and don't know his mindset at the time. Freezing up happens and I think he just froze up in there. Like I said, I'm going to wait for more information to come out and withhold judgement for now.

Jay, are you related to this guy or something?

If he was hurt and decided he didn't want to get KTFO, the noble move is to dance around through the first round then just refuse to answer the bell in Rd2. No chance a guy with a "broken foot" can run that much (backwards, even) for 14min.

Kalib's actions were downright wrong. If he didn't think he had any chance of winning, don't take the fight. If it was injury, then throw in the towl. There's a lot of entertainment in it and he bored the fans for 15 minutes. Oh yeah, running away also cost him his job. I don't buy the 'injured' argument at all.

This is downright laughable. He's a fucking fighter (or was, i guess). Go out and fucking fight.

/rant

The fact that he did this on his own soil makes it even worse. He's always been a joke though. The guy whines about every injury like he's a victim (ribs, cut, now this). He just comes off as a complete douche.

Kalib actually has several supporters who think Dana is a tyrant
As if he forces them to sign.

I'm a free market capitalist to the nth degree though.

UFC is at the pinnacle of the mma world right now. You want to be the main eventer, the guy bringing in the huge money, endorsements, etc? Guess what son, keep your fkin mouth shut, fight whoever they put in front of you, and fight your ass off every time you step in the cage.

gg Starnes, you shoulda looked at the bigger picture. Have fun in the IFL or on BodogFight or whatever other wannabe sideshow promotion decides to waste money signing you. I hope EliteXC signs him as their next punching bag for Kimbo.

Obviously it was a crappy performance, but if he threw in the towel, you guys would criticize him all the same, just like people did when he quit after seperating a rib. I'm not excusing his performance, it was disappointing, I'm just not as quick as all of you to throw him under the bus without all the facts.

The UFC isn't the only place to fight and many fighters make more money in other organizations. There's awesome fighters all over the world that aren't signed with the UFC, most people just don't know about them.

He seperated a rib, if you've ever had a rib injury, you would know you can't fight with it. You can't even breathe much less fight. Anyone would be pissed over a fight getting stopped by a cut and he felt he could continue. Again, I'm not excusing his performance, but using these 2 instances to bash him aren't merited.

I see they have taken off the "Live on Pay Per View" at the top for 85 so more than likely it will be free now

LOL. Go back and watch it. He definately didn't seperate a rib in that fight. His own coach even said so. He was getting his ass beat, so he quit. Get off the nut-hugging and move onto something more productive.

God knows how you can tell he faked it from watching the fight. Is Ken Shamrock a doctor? If not, how would he know whether Kalib's injury was legit or not? I'm going to give the fighter the benefit of the doubt and believe him when he says he was out 6 months recovering from a floating rib caused by that kick Kendall hit him with. Doesn't a fighter have to be actually good to nut-hug? Kalib is an average fighter and I've never said he was some great fighter. I just don't agree with the fighter bashing without all the known facts.

LOL. Alright then. When "the facts" come in you let us know what you think. God forbid an internet forum have any presumptions/bashing on it. Good day, suh.

It's the way he whines about it like a bitch every single time. After the rib, he's whining, after the cut he's whining, after the last fight, he's challenging Quarry's cornerman. The guy is a complete douchebag.

And btw, I've played sports through a ton of injuries, ribs, concussion, separated shoulder. I want to get back in there and contribute because I'm a competitor. The guy is just not cut out for MMA, plain and simple.


On a side note.......James Irvin replaced Liddell. So Rashad vs. Irvin now. It's hardly a headliner, but I love watching Irvin fight. It should be exciting.

Unfortunately all that means is the UFC doesn't want to pay to broadcast it at 2PM EST or whatever time the England events start. They will have their usual 10PM EST PPV with the usual 40-50 minutes of fights in the 180 minute broadcast. I sure hope I am wrong, but that's what it meant last time they did it. Leben/Bisping would be a solid addition though.

I love it how guys like Clementi and Bisping are taking fights 1-2 months after their last. As a fan, I wish other fighters would take note.

I disagree with you boogie in that there are not enough facts out to make a case for Starnes being a douche. As a paying fan, you better never waste my money by running around the ring for 15 minutes. I don't care what excuse you give. It was the ultimate FU to Dana & Co. He can make whatever excuse you want, but don't say you broke your foot and then ask to be released from your contract. Make up your mind on what excuse you want to go with. You sound like a douche if you don't.

I agree with you that many people make more, in some cases significantly more, outside of the UFC and that's their perogative to go chase the boomsauce. I also agree that the UFC is certainly not the end all for fighter talent and there is probably the same talent five times over outside of the UFC as in it, but they are spread thin in 20 different organizations worldwide.

Agree 100%. Seeing guys fight once, maybe twice a year is disappointing.

I think I need to rep Nick Diaz in a new sport....

Check out pick #10

I agree it does suck for a fan and I'm sure he lost a lot of fans that night and tarnished his image forever in a lot of peoples' eyes. Most people already questioned his heart in prior instances and this one put it over the top. I can see how fans would be frustrated after a performance like that. Myself personally, I don't see the need to rip on the guy so much as I think he'll suffer the consequences of his performance for a long time to come. I just tend to support fighters in most instances, because they are what makes the sport what it is.

I think Roger Huerta fought like 5 times last year and that's probably about as much as possible in the UFC, anymore than that and you're going to burn out. It's physically impossible to go through that many training camps for your fights and still fight at a high level and be at your best. I think ideally, you want to see all the top fighters fight 3 times a year, but injuries and scheduling play a part in preventing that from happening sometimes.

I'm not saying fight every month. But being able to fight 3 times a year like Chuck did last year is admirable.

what is the logistics of who fights more?
Do some fighters turn down Joe Silva?


Not all of them.
We all know there is a ~20% chance that Kalib has a legitimate beef with Dana and a <5% chance he should be cut some slack for Saturday's farce; but you're THAT GUY reminding us over and over again. Let me be Pissed!

Not for sure at all, but if I had to guess it would just be when they are asked. I remember Nate Diaz saying that he always asks to be booked immediately, so maybe they can request a timeframe?

I think Huerta has asked to take off the majority if not all of 2008. I agree 5 times in a year is burn out territory. I think if you win a fight and sustain little damage there really isn't any reason you couldn't fight on the next couple of cards. I would think fighters would want to as well.



I think it was either Iole's or Meltzer's column where they said Starnes actually turned down Quarry when Quarry first returned. Apparently Starnes didn't think Quarry was "worthy".



I am being serious when I say I really don't understand this. Obviously the TUF instance is what everyone talks about--at least that is the only thing I can remember. Since then he won a three round semi-war with Leben, let Okami beat him up for three rounds, and bitched about his fight with Belcher being stopped even though you could see his skull through the gash in his head. I think a lot of people forget what he had done since TUF. Those are the exact reasons I bet on him and I don't bet on guys just for shits and giggles.



That's for two reasons. First and foremost Nate Diaz is just a bozo who's only skill is fighting. That is what he has done his whole life and it's the only thing he knows. Makes for exciting fights though huh? Second, I have a feeling he needs the funds pretty bad.

Anyone have any good sites for getting old fights? The one I used..MMAlinker.com seems to have gone to a mostly pay site. Thanks!

Boogie, forgot to say that from what I have seen on this message board it seems you know more about these non-UFC fighters than any other poster and I for one, appreciate your input in regards to them.

http://www.mmascraps.com/2007/07/fedor-vs-...-and-whole.html

he has some fight videos
Certainly not a warehouse of videoa though. I stumbled across it and it's all I got for ya

I'm watching the Kalib fight now
Long story short: DVR is taping two tings already so no tuner is free.


ETA: and I like "Bittersweet Symphony" a lot.

I am surprised no one has said anything about the Macdonald/Doerksen fight. Just watched it and it looked like MacDonald clearly landed a couple of hammer fists long after Mazzagati stepped in and even after MacDonald had postured up like he was getting off.

No good sites, but has anyone tried the UFC on Demand on their website?

I tried once to use the UFC on demand and couldn't get it to work.
Spent $6 for nothing.
I'd like to see the Maia v Herman fight.


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ok, after watching the fight again.
Kalib ran away less than I recalled. But he was so hesitant to engage and was obviously afraid to get hurt.
He looked so over matched. Clearly not the line of work for him.

I just watched the last round on MMAlinker.com and it looked like both guys were pretty gassed from the first round. Herman was teeing off on Maia before Maia slapped on a triangle and Herman should have seen coming from a mile away.

I wouldn't say Herman was teeing off, he landed a couple glancing blows, but Maia was setting up his submissions and sweeps the whole time. Maia did seem a bit tired and wasn't controlling Herman's posture so much, but he might have been baiting Herman into getting more aggressive. Herman doesn't have the best sub defense, but I thought the triangle was pretty slick. Overall, it was an entertaining fight and Maia looks like he can be a potential contender.

The Macdonald fight was kind of strange, he admitted landing a couple extra hammer fists knowing Doerksen was out, but at the same time Mazzagatti kind of hesitated when he was stopping the fight and wasn't getting Macdonald off Doerksen and waving the fight off. There was a lot of bad blood and he ended up getting KO of the night, so he probably won't be getting punished for it. There's definitely a double standard with his situation and Babalu's fight where he held the choke extra long.

The fight tonight on TUF was pretty good. I'm surprised Tim had so much trouble with Riddle. It seemed like he gassed and Riddle was foolish to take the fight to the ground when he had Tim hurt on the feet.

Yeah, for Tim to be their #1 pick (i think) he didn't really show it, to me. He seemed to have a pretty decent ground game but, like you said, he seemed to gas pretty quickly. I've also found myself REALLY liking Rampage in the few weeks this show has been on. I've always liked Griffin because he's a warrior and seems like kind of a dimwit, but Rampage has come across as a really good person/friend in the show. Now, let's see if that translates into some W's for his team or not.

Don't let him fool you. He is a sharp cookie. Well, other than living in god forsaken Athens, GA. Check that...fame might make me change my mind with all of the southern honeys floating around there.


I have read a few articles about Matthew Riddle and I really like the guy. Seems extremely down to earth for a 21 year old still living with his mom . He has the right attitude and the raw skill set to make some waves in MMA if he gets in with some good people. I really wish he would have kept it standing, but after reading about all of his accomplishments in wrestling/grappling I can see why he instinctively tried to take it to the ground. Sounds like he didn't do his homework on his housemate's backgrounds because he said he didn't know Credeur was that skilled on the ground.

Oh well, I think he will be around MMA for a while and I am looking forward to his fight on the finale.

Mazagatti screwed up. He didn't stop it clearly. Macdonald looked at Steve, and Steve did/said nothing so Macdonald went back to work. Blame the ref for that one.

Apples and Oranges, the ref had told Babulu to let go and was trying to grab his arm off for nearly 2 seconds. If the ref doesnt see the fighter is knocked out the fighter must continue or TOTALLY back off if they are 100% sure. But no fighter wants to take the chance of backing off until the ref grabs them.

I'm not saying it was the exact same as Babalu's situation, but Babalu got kicked out of the UFC, while Macdonald did something similar and gets KO of the Night. Point is Macdonald admitted to getting in a couple extra shots after knowing Doerksen was already out, because he wanted him to remember him. There were a ton of people criticizing Riddle for jumping on Simmler with strikes after he knocked him out cold, I'm just surprised many people don't think the same of this fight.