I tottally understand that. My point was that people do have the right to criticise Kimbos competition for the amount of hype he gets.

I'm with you on this




But who are you criticizing?

Promoters are promoting.

Kimbo is fighting people.

Who's in the wrong?

If they are over hyped and selling fights, that means promoters are doing their job, yes?

You for saying that your tired of people critcising his competition

I'm not a huge Liddel fan and he came out criticizing Kimbo as well. It's just jealousy. Is it Kimbo's fault that someone is paying him 6 figures to fight less than stellar competition? No. Would any fighter take the same deal? Yes.

Kimbo has been training very hard with Bas Rutten. The guy is trying to do the right things to become a great fighter.

I laugh at all these faggoty MMA purists criticizing him for doing all the same things their little heroes would do, or even what they would do in their own life. Just irritates the shit out of me. I would take triple my salary to do less work any day of the week. I don't need to earn my stripes. Fuck the stripes, gimme the money.

As far as pushing the ref, sure, he was outta line, but don't ask these guys to be animals with pure agression one minute, then have absolute control when the ref says boo. Again, most fighters manage it, but that comes with cage experience.

Also, plenty of these fighters with over 20 fights fought plenty of tomato cans when they were coming up. And again, every one of em woulda takes a 6 figure pay day to do it. So get off your high fucking horse.

Sorry, I get fired up over hypocritical bullshit. Sports fans are notorious for that. Asking athletes "Where's your loyalty?" Eff loyalty, pay me my money. (to a degree, I mean 38 million and 40 million is the same thing)

go on..




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Well said Ron.

Colin Cowherd ? anyway, always says rabid fans care more about their teams than the palyers do. It's a job for them.

Totally agreed. I think most if it, like I've said, is jealousy, which is to be expected.

Can someone help me out with this. A guy I nknow says he will give me 8-1 if I take Bocek and Serra in a parlay. Both are in the +350 range so it sounds like a good deal to me. Am I missing something?

If I just did this right, the site I just checked had this at +2150.

Lol I knew he had a guilty look on his face. TY. What site?

sportinteraction.com

Horrible.

Two 350:100 is equal to 1925. Not 800.

To convert the 350., to percent, take 100 / (100+350) = 0.222

Now to win both, take 0.222 * 0.222 = 0.049383

Convert that back to Odds and you get 100 pays 1925

It's not the opportunity that is Kimbo's fault, it is his attitude. The image he portrays. Like it or not, he has the sport in his hands. And yet, he comes out to TV shows and is this big hard ass thug that gives one word answers. Fine, whatever, it's him, ok. Then what is to blame of him? His attitude inside the cage. His shoving of refs and blatant disrespect for their instructions is something that people see when they watch the man carrying the sport. They see these actions, and it reverts their thoughts of MMA right back to UFC 1.



There's a TON of questioning to that. Bas has been filming two movies, how much training is he doing with Kimbo. He also does MMA show on HDNet once a week. Plus, Bas was a stand up fighter, that's fine. But what was Bas's downfall? He didn't have an effective ground game. That's what Kimbo needs.


See above. Kimbo's problem isn't taking the money.


There's the problem, IMO. Fighting isn't straight try to kill the other guy, there is real art in it. You have to be able to control it. Say a fighter leaves a hold on too long and kills a guy, that excuse just isn't viable, fighters have got to control their emotions. And it may very well come with experience, but with the whole image Kimbo portrays, I just believe that is his personality and attitude.

nevermind, he'll take offense. i'll ask a question instead.


how the HELL do you get herpes on your neck?

FYP

Oh, ok.

I get why you think that, but it's wrong. I said I hate the 'thug' image he portrays. You associated that with him being black.

Boy, you really turned that around on me. You just blew my mind. Maybe I'm racist.

Nice work.


Carry on

I already described that the image that he puts off is what I don't like about him, shoving refs and such. I don't really know how I ever mentioned how that has to be racist, you just threw that out there as if it were some assumption, so looks like you've done the nice work here.

Anyway, who do you guys see being next in line for Anderson?

Probally Okami(who he will destroy). Wanderlei is supposed to be on his way down to 185 but will probally fight Dan Henderson first. Bisbing maybe if he impresses on Saturday. Anderson looks like his frame could easily add 20 pounds and he should be at 205 dominating imo.

this is patenly false. Bas has an excellent ground game. There was no way anyone became a King of Pancrase at the time that Bas was KOP w/o having a top notch ground game. The rules then were heavily favored to grapplers as one of Bas' best weapons(his fists) weren't allowed because you couldn't do closed fist strikes

Point taken, I guess I was wrong there. All I remembered about Bas was early Pancrase with the Shams. Plus I mean I guess all they work with Kimbo in training is ground, but just working six hard months shouldn't have anything close to a BJJ stud.

you don't have to be a BJJ stud in MMA to be competetive. What Kimbo has to do is be able to get good enough at the ground game to be able to stuff takedowns and have adequete submission defense to utilize his fists properly. It took CroCop about a year to develop excellent takedown defense to where he was able to consistently stuff Kazayuki Fujita's takedown ability, and Fujita was an All-Japan wrestling champion in college


just go back to the Pre-Closed fist Pancrase and watch the tapes. In Fact, Bas' striking ability is what set him apart from the other guys, and Bas was able to compete with Masa Funaki in some ground battles, and Funaki was well ahead of his time as far as submission ability went. I'd personally go as far as saying that in the professional fight game since the early 90s, Funaki is probably the greatest Japanese submission artist. I still will never get over how he put a sick triangle on Guy Mezger in a fight when Mezger just leaned slightly forward in Funaki's guard

Yeah Fujita is a stud, but I think Kimbo really needs to use Marc Laimon's strat of just getting back up. He's pretty strong, and if he can just get back up or stay alive until the next round he should be ok rather than needing to finish people.

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! UFC 83 tomorrow!

My job is to destroy 'im!

I think this is the most pumped for a UFC I have been yet.

stumbled across this on youtube, a "flying scissor heel hook" executed against none other than Anderson Silva back in his Pride days, man this is an unreal submission -- worth watching, only 1:34 long

http://youtube.com/watch?v=267i7rKeECA&feature=related

nice
I had seen the video but not with the commentary and slow-mo.

thanks

I think there is a very strong possibility we will see another stunner tonight. Everything leading up to the fight is deja vu. Serra has absolutely nothing to lose and GSP has entirely too much pressure on him for someone who has shown mental weakness, especially against the same opponent who KHTFO. Obviously won't be shocked to see GSP win though

Huge play on Danzig (I give Bocek literally a 2% chance of winning and feel like I am being generous)
Big plays on Clementi and Maia
Small plays on Serra and McCarthy (this one because I absolutely hate Bisping and think he needs to get his ass beat down in a very bad, brutal way---in another words...very wishful thinking)

I think I might be secretly praying Bisping wins big and gets thrown to Hendo, Wandy, Okami, Franklin, or even better yet, straight to Silva.

I made several bets on March 15th for UFCs in ther future, and for some reason took a bit on Bocek and +300.

Today I put some on:

Smaller bets:
Kalib Starnes +205 He beat Anthony Johnson, yes? Nate, except for finish, did not impres me first fight back
Rich Clementi +120
Demian Maia -180 I'm looking forward to this fight

Bigger bets
Rich Franklin -320 Standup + Power + solid ground > A better ground offensive game
George St Pierre -400 (Performity convinced me. I think his head will be ther for the rematch)
Jason MacDonald -165 Seemed like a good line against the journeymman

I like placing money on the fights and have somehow always come out ahead.
But honestly, I can't vehemently defend any of these. Just gut peppered with some knowledge.

There with you.

You reminded me I put a medium size play on Starnes too. I liked the odds on that one.

Nah, that was Clementi. Starnes did beat Leben in a UD which means he can definitely take a punch.


I was hesitant to put a play on Franklin, but after doing some more research I think I might end up going there as well.

I bet Lutter. I have thought forever that Dana has protected Franklin way too much. Also, Lutter looked very good against Silva IMO even after a terrible day of cutting. He doesn't have that real big win to look at, but I think he is under rated and Franklin is over rated, with his biggest win I guess being a falling Evan Tanner. Other than that, I bet GSP as the line between this fight and the first is a monster jump when I don't think either are different fighters. I'll kick myself though as there is no pressure on Serra and I usually like guys like that, like in the first fight he had no pressure and came on. Anyway, card isn't loaded but hopefully we get some good fights.

Is there anywhere online streaming tonights fights that anyone knows of??

No, I'll be watching at Hooters.

Also, I can only hope Bisping gets the beating of a lifetime.

Sigh. The wife hates UFC, so I can't hit the Buffalo Wild Wings tonight, but I was hoping to catch some of it online if it was available.

One of the channels on justin.tv might have it. I know they have in the past.

I think I might've found a place, but I'll check there if this doesn't work. Thanks though.

So was I.
Then I was influenced by Performity; and his fight with Okami.

But now after more thought and seeing countdown (the Spike version)
I would think Rich's head is not as much in it to win it as Lutter.
Lutter paid for missing weight and who really knows about his preparation.
Franklin, has to be contemplating his future at 185. What does he have to fight for?
Lutter gave Anderson a run, although Anderson never looked hurt (thank god ref never stopped that)

So, we'll see. In a vacuum I like Rich but for the odds and all ocnsiderd, I think I made the wrong play


(it's 30 min into the event here; but I'm taping it and just about to start)

Winner of the first match of the night Mark Bocek v. Mac Danzig Mac Danzig dommmmmminates and wins w/ rear naked choke in rd3

Good first fight, that was a very dominating 2nd round.

wow, the 2 most annoying former UF contestants......hopefully the fights are at least good. I have to admit tho, the danzig fight wasn't too bad

Results of Match #2 Michael Bisping v. Charles McCarthy Don't know yet but I hope Bisping gets his smug ass kicked

QFT

Actual Results of Match #2 Michael Bisping v. Charles McCarthy Bisping wins by general ass beating/referee stoppage at end of R1

everytime i see bisping fight, the announcers always mention the "tension" at the weigh in. Does everyone in the UFC think this guy is an *******?

I actually like Bisping. Am I crazy?

Does anyone not?

Tonight's the first time I've seen him actually act like a decent human being....lol
(still obv in love with himself though)

Aren't all these guys though?

You need to be kinda.

Maybe he just doesn't hide it as well.

pretty much. i personally think he's an arrogant prick. I can't believe anyone could like someone who makes fun of someone because of a disability. Pretty much the douchiest of douches imo.

No idea what you're talking about... so that might have something to do with it, lol.

Match #3 Nate Quarry v. Kalib Starnes

gotta pull for the canadian (obv) but Quarry looks solid

i have a big problem personally with them letting lutter fight again, especially on a ppv. Not making weight for the fight of his career is lame to say the least. I can't believe the UFC would let him fight again. I would've thought that would've been a career killer mistake.