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Jadaki
For UFC 84-86 I really like the lines for a lot of those underdogs.
Jadaki
DId anyone watch the yamma pit fight ppv this weekend, I'm curious to hear exactly what the fighting pit was like.

Edit - never mind, it's not on till the 11th.
PrtyPSux
QUOTE (Jadaki @ Wednesday, April 9th, 2008, 8:29 PM) *
DId anyone watch the yamma pit fight ppv this weekend, I'm curious to hear exactly what the fighting pit was like.

Edit - never mind, it's not on till the 11th.



wtf is a yamma pit fight? I'll prob order it just to see...
grocery_mony
QUOTE (PrtyPSux @ Wednesday, April 9th, 2008, 3:59 PM) *
wtf is a yamma pit fight? I'll prob order it just to see...

Its another upstart mma association. there gimmick is the outer edges of the cage are slope inwards keeping the action off the cage. They also have a 8 man elimination tourney like the old days of the ufc. Also have a Butterbean fight as a special attraction.
bdc30
Looking forward to whatever this "huge knockout" is on tonight's TUF episode. /reminder
ShakeZuma
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Wednesday, April 9th, 2008, 9:55 PM) *
Looking forward to whatever this "huge knockout" is on tonight's TUF episode. /reminder

holy shit there it was. he actually knocked that dude retarded I think. like, he's really now retarded.
AimHigher
QUOTE (ShakeZuma @ Thursday, April 10th, 2008, 2:14 AM) *
holy shit there it was. he actually knocked that dude retarded I think. like, he's really now retarded.


He got KTFO. I felt really bad for him, never seen a guy like that afterwards.
bdc30
wow "what just happened, where am i - was that a fight? like a REAL fight?" and Rampage just standing there speechless
Actuary
you all have me pumpmed
Soem reason tghe DVR tapes the Friday time slot.
I gotta see it befire then!
grocery_mony
QUOTE (CodyHartman @ Wednesday, April 9th, 2008, 9:51 AM) *
UFC 83 - Middleweights - Apr-19-2008 - Bell Centre, Montreal, Quebec, Canada 10pm EST
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Mac Danzig
-550
Mark Bocek
+350

UFC 83 - Middleweights - Apr-19-2008 - Bell Centre, Montreal, Quebec, Canada 10:30pm EST
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Rich Franklin
-350
Travis Lutter
+250

UFC 83 - Middleweights - Apr-19-2008 - Bell Centre, Montreal, Quebec, Canada 10:30pm EST
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Michael Bisping
-330
Charles McCarthy
+260

UFC 83 - Middleweights - Apr-19-2008 - Bell Centre, Montreal, Quebec, Canada 10:30pm EST
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Nathan Quarry
-295
Kalib Starnes
+235

UFC 83 - Welterweights - Apr-19-2008 - Bell Centre, Montreal, Quebec, Canada 11:30pm EST
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Georges St. Pierre
-500
Matt Serra+325 Way to much value

UFC 84 - Light Heavyweights-Sat, May 24th (11:00pm EST) MGM Grand Garden Arena, Nevada
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Wanderlei Silva They are already talking about Wanderlei moving down to 185
-160
Keith Jardine+130

UFC 84 - Light Heavyweights-Sat, May 24th (11:00pm EST) MGM Grand Garden Arena, Nevada
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Lyoto Machida
-200
Tito Ortiz
+160

UFC 85 - Light Heavyweights-Sat, Jun 7th (4:00pm EST) O2 Arena, London, England
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Chuck Liddell
-265
Rashad Evans+205 Sorry chuck, I dont like Rashad but you havent impressed in a long time

UFC 85 - Heavyweights-Sat, Jun7th (4:00pm EST) O2 Arena, London, England
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Fabricio Werdum WTF is with the 15%juice
-110
Brandon Vera
-120

UFC 87 - Heavyweights-Sat, Aug 9th (11:00pm EST) O2 Arena, London, England
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Brock Lesnar How is a guy with one fight, a loss, now a main eventer
-295
Mark Coleman
+235

UFC 86 - Light Heavyweight Championship - Saturday 9th August (11pm EST)
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Quinton Jackson
-260
Forrest Griffen
+200

double post too
Actuary
wow Brock is -295 now. wow. :me lucky:
BigLebowski
I agree with Grocery in that all of the dogs are good bets. I even have a small play on Tito Ortiz as there is nothing he would want more on his way out than to take down the top contender. I think he is going to be able to take Machida down and keep him there for all 3 rounds.
grocery_mony
I hope that Mississippi guy is the one guy that comes back. You cant teach heart.
BigLebowski
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Thursday, April 10th, 2008, 12:01 AM) *
I hope that Mississippi guy is the one guy that comes back. You cant teach heart.



OMFG

Is that real heart or the practice kind?




Wait, is that the big red legit heart or those practice hearts we drew with purple crayons?




Real or practice?
PrtyPSux
WOW at TUf...

That knockout was...ummmm....****ing RIDIC! I've never seen a dude NOT KNOW IF HE WAS IN A FIGHT!!!! 10 minutes after the fight ends! Jesus Christ, like Shake said, the dude got knocked retarded. He got amnesia, so insane.

and that Mississippi guy! OMFG he got his ****ing teath knocked out! and his face pummeled like a ****ing punching bag. Dude didn't quit.

I think they ****ed it up by single elimination. I think they should have left 4 slots open to dudes that lose the fight but look like badasses (I saw at least 3 dudes lose who looked better and more talented than 3 that won). That toothless dude could have been the next Forrest with some good training and would have made for at least 1 exciting ass fight during the show.
PrtyPSux
QUOTE (BigLebowski @ Thursday, April 10th, 2008, 2:58 AM) *
I agree with Grocery in that all of the dogs are good bets. I even have a small play on Tito Ortiz as there is nothing he would want more on his way out than to take down the top contender. I think he is going to be able to take Machida down and keep him there for all 3 rounds.


Wow interesting....I would think Machida is Free money. As a fan of the sport (and Tito), I'd also like tito to win, but moneywise I would think this is an easy bet for several reasons.

My weirdest reason for machida being free money , is that I have a ****ed up theory....I THINK.. that Tito is enough of a dick/rebel that he, will not train for the fight, not do interviews for it, get in the cage, hear the "lets get it on", take a knee tap out, turn to Dana and give him the finger. Knowing that A) He'll still get a deal with any other association regardless and B.) that Dana will now have a lot of upset fans on his hands for tito "ruining" part of what some fans payed to watch. If taking a knee and tapping out can get in legal trouble for contract reasons, I would think that he's capable of diving or giving Machida his arm. I don't know, lol I just think he hates the UFC so much that I wouldn't put him past it.
ShakeZuma
QUOTE (PrtyPSux @ Thursday, April 10th, 2008, 6:30 AM) *
I think they ****ed it up by single elimination. I think they should have left 4 slots open to dudes that lose the fight but look like badasses (I saw at least 3 dudes lose who looked better and more talented than 3 that won). That toothless dude could have been the next Forrest with some good training and would have made for at least 1 exciting ass fight during the show.

this is how I figured they were going to do it at first. it seems kind of like a big loophole that they could accidentally pit two really good guys against one another and one wouldn't make the show. if they could get that kid some training he would be freaking crazy.
Jadaki
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Wednesday, April 9th, 2008, 6:15 PM) *
Its another upstart mma association. there gimmick is the outer edges of the cage are slope inwards keeping the action off the cage. They also have a 8 man elimination tourney like the old days of the ufc. Also have a Butterbean fight as a special attraction.


It's being developed by one of the original founders of the UFC who sold out to Dana White.
grocery_mony
QUOTE (Jadaki @ Thursday, April 10th, 2008, 6:35 AM) *
It's being developed by one of the original founders of the UFC who sold out to Dana White.

LOL they sold the UFC for 2 million. Oops!
KDawgCometh
QUOTE (PrtyPSux @ Thursday, April 10th, 2008, 5:30 AM) *
WOW at TUf...

That knockout was...ummmm....****ing RIDIC! I've never seen a dude NOT KNOW IF HE WAS IN A FIGHT!!!! 10 minutes after the fight ends! Jesus Christ, like Shake said, the dude got knocked retarded. He got amnesia, so insane.

and that Mississippi guy! OMFG he got his ****ing teath knocked out! and his face pummeled like a ****ing punching bag. Dude didn't quit.

I think they ****ed it up by single elimination. I think they should have left 4 slots open to dudes that lose the fight but look like badasses (I saw at least 3 dudes lose who looked better and more talented than 3 that won). That toothless dude could have been the next Forrest with some good training and would have made for at least 1 exciting ass fight during the show.



that KO actually made me cringe a bit, and that has rarely happened for me. That was a huge KO

I don't doubt that they probably tried to steer mississippi to a good training center in atlanta or texas or something like that as he has talent and is willing to listen


QUOTE (Jadaki @ Thursday, April 10th, 2008, 8:35 AM) *
It's being developed by one of the original founders of the UFC who sold out to Dana White.


SEG sold to teh Ferrtitas, not Dana White


QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Thursday, April 10th, 2008, 9:52 AM) *
LOL they sold the UFC for 2 million. Oops!



The Ferrtitas were losing hand over fist until after the first season of TUF. So, UFC was losing a good amount of money for several years after they had gotten back PPV.

SEG had to sell as they couldn't get regulated in nevada like they wanted to(one of the Ferrtitas had good friends on the Nevada Comission and wanted to buy UFC, hmmm, what a shock that they weren't able to get regulated). SEG had PPV stripped from them and was running building that could maybe hold 5K at the time
Jadaki
QUOTE (KDawgCometh @ Thursday, April 10th, 2008, 10:35 AM) *
SEG sold to teh Ferrtitas, not Dana White


Close enough wink.gif

And the kid you guys are talking about, may have all the heart in the world but the way his face looked he can't keep taking that much punishment and expect to come out ahead in the long run. Before and after pics from that fight would be scary.
Vick12
QUOTE (Jadaki @ Thursday, April 10th, 2008, 11:06 AM) *
Close enough wink.gif

And the kid you guys are talking about, may have all the heart in the world but the way his face looked he can't keep taking that much punishment and expect to come out ahead in the long run. Before and after pics from that fight were scary.


fyp

I sorta agree...Mississippi had heart...but his face is the one getting hit!!!

That KO was just BRUTAL!!! That dude got knocked literally into next week. He was obv out like a light as soon as he got hit, but that 1 punch he took on the ground was almost as vicious. That gym went so silent when he started to moan like that...I don't think anyone has ever seen anyone react like that. I felt so bad for that guy because he had no idea what happened, where he was, or anything.

Only thing I ever saw that was somewhat close was this youtube clip of like a gangbanger and some white dude who got into a fight for cash or something...it wasn't an attack or anything, it was a planned thing which is why a camera is there. Anyway the white dude gets crushed by a right hook and kinda twists and falls akwardly, I assume he tore a ligament or something...and falls face 1st into the ground. The gangbanger dude just keeps beating on him as he is basically out. Nobody steps in for like a minute or so...I assume this was part of the "rules"...and when he finally stops and the white dudes boys kinda roll him on his back...the dude starts just wheezing for like 3 minutes. It was like he couldn't air or something. Anyway...last night sorta reminded of that...only way worse!

This season is gonna be awesome. There are a couple of absolute killers this year as seen in a few of those KO's. That one BJJ dude looked scary and it's OBV that Rampage and Forrest are absolutely GOLD on camera. Every once in awhile I will be sitting at work and think of that Rampage "Balls out of his face line" and I start giggling like a little school girl!!!
bdc30
QUOTE (KDawgCometh @ Thursday, April 10th, 2008, 11:35 AM) *
The Ferrtitas were losing hand over fist until after the first season of TUF.


Dana White was interviewed on The Fight Network's "Rough" and said the low point early on was when he got a phone call from the Fertittas saying they wanted him to see how much they could get to sell the whole thing. They were $43 million in the red at the time, and the best offer he could get was for $5-7mill.
Jadaki
Youtube link of that brutal KO
Vick12
I wasn't able to find it on youtube...but I did find that street fight I was remembering.

http://gorillafights.com/fightvideos/771/guy-gets-it.html

I remember it being much better video quality on youtube...so if anyone can find a better version of this that would be cool.
grocery_mony
QUOTE (Vick12 @ Thursday, April 10th, 2008, 3:17 PM) *
I wasn't able to find it on youtube...but I did find that street fight I was remembering.

http://gorillafights.com/fightvideos/771/guy-gets-it.html

I remember it being much better video quality on youtube...so if anyone can find a better version of this that would be cool.

The UFC could use some refs like that.
PrtyPSux
I didn't like the kid that knocked that guy out immed after he bragged to herb dean about it. Herb's facial expression after he heard that brag post was great.
HoosierAlum
QUOTE (PrtyPSux @ Thursday, April 10th, 2008, 6:13 PM) *
I didn't like the kid that knocked that guy out immed after he bragged to herb dean about it. Herb's facial expression after he heard that brag post was great.


haha I noticed this and laughed during the show.

Also, every time I see/hear Steve Mazzagatti I go on full blown monkey tilt...
Actuary
So, I'm not the only one that thinks Matthew Riddle and some others are major thugs, am I?
Is adrenaline really an excuse for that?
Live, it felt like Herb took a while to reacte. Simmler just seemed so nonchalant to start the round.

I agree with Party. I thought/think they should let some of the better "losers" compete.
And Machida is the bet.
BigLebowski
QUOTE (PrtyPSux @ Thursday, April 10th, 2008, 6:38 AM) *
Wow interesting....I would think Machida is Free money. As a fan of the sport (and Tito), I'd also like tito to win, but moneywise I would think this is an easy bet for several reasons.

My weirdest reason for machida being free money , is that I have a ****ed up theory....I THINK.. that Tito is enough of a dick/rebel that he, will not train for the fight, not do interviews for it, get in the cage, hear the "lets get it on", take a knee tap out, turn to Dana and give him the finger. Knowing that A) He'll still get a deal with any other association regardless and B.) that Dana will now have a lot of upset fans on his hands for tito "ruining" part of what some fans payed to watch. If taking a knee and tapping out can get in legal trouble for contract reasons, I would think that he's capable of diving or giving Machida his arm. I don't know, lol I just think he hates the UFC so much that I wouldn't put him past it.


Notice I said "small" play. That would be the opposite of my 90% BR bet on Florian icon_biggrin.gif I certainly don't think Tito throws it though. Tito's love for the fans far outweighs his hate for Dana IMHO. I also think if he beats Machida he would be in line for a title shot since Chuck is no longer there. I am not saying that is right, but with his name and taking out the clear #1 contender I don't see how a title shot is not given to him. Dana's hate for him might keep that from happening obviously. Dana no longer needs Tito or his antics. This is his last chance to make a run and they have him the perfect opponent to do it.

Don't get me wrong, I have been one of the biggest Machida pushers in the history of this thread so it's not that I think he doesn't have skills. I just think Tito has been given a multitude of reasons to take this as serious as any fight he has had.

QUOTE (Vick12 @ Thursday, April 10th, 2008, 6:17 PM) *
I wasn't able to find it on youtube...but I did find that street fight I was remembering.

http://gorillafights.com/fightvideos/771/guy-gets-it.html

I remember it being much better video quality on youtube...so if anyone can find a better version of this that would be cool.


That was so disgusting. I can't imagine that was part of the "rules". I don't know much about boxing, but it looked like the hispanic guy was pretty damn smooth for the whole 10 seconds. The jumping knees at the end were so uncalled for. I can't believe some caps didn't fly out in the corn fields.

QUOTE (Actuary @ Thursday, April 10th, 2008, 8:35 PM) *
So, I'm not the only one that thinks Matthew Riddle and some others are major thugs, am I?
Is adrenaline really an excuse for that?
Live, it felt like Herb took a while to reacte. Simmler just seemed so nonchalant to start the round.

I agree with Party. I thought/think they should let some of the better "losers" compete.
And Machida is the bet.


I don't think Riddle knew the extent of the injury when he was doing that. Editing can be a bitch. It certainly wasn't super aggro like some other fighters can be. You can be excited, but act like you've been there before. I have a feeling for the rest of my life when someone brings up gloating I will be forced to think of Rainkhan during the WSOP.
Actuary
QUOTE (BigLebowski @ Thursday, April 10th, 2008, 6:35 PM) *
I don't think Riddle knew the extent of the injury when he was doing that. Editing can be a bitch. It certainly wasn't super aggro like some other fighters can be. You can be excited, but act like you've been there before. I have a feeling for the rest of my life when someone brings up gloating I will be forced to think of Rainkhan during the WSOP.


I was speaking more of the punches on the ground.
jayboogie
That was a late stoppage by Herb Dean for once. He was just in a bad position to step in. You can't blame Riddle, because you fight until the ref stops the fight. That was a brutal KO, but I've seen others similar. They all happen in that same spot along the jaw line and Simmler breathing with his mouth wide open when he got cracked certainly didn't help matters much. Apparently, he had his jaw fractured in 2 places and he was hurt for quite a while.

I really didn't understand what they were doing on TUF this year, it seemed like they matched up a lot of fighters with similar records and experience with each other. There were several good fighters that were pitted against each other. Erik Charles is an awesome stand-up fighter, but he gets matched against the only BJJ BLack Belt on there, Marrello is another good fighter and he gets matched with Gerald Harris. Then, you have some guys with 1-0 and 0-0 records fighting against each other. Really, it makes no sense if you want the best 16 fighters on the show, but Dana obviously wanted a different dynamic than just that.
PrtyPSux
QUOTE (jayboogie @ Friday, April 11th, 2008, 2:27 PM) *
That was a late stoppage by Herb Dean for once. He was just in a bad position to step in. You can't blame Riddle, because you fight until the ref stops the fight. That was a brutal KO, but I've seen others similar. They all happen in that same spot along the jaw line and Simmler breathing with his mouth wide open when he got cracked certainly didn't help matters much. Apparently, he had his jaw fractured in 2 places and he was hurt for quite a while.

I really didn't understand what they were doing on TUF this year, it seemed like they matched up a lot of fighters with similar records and experience with each other. There were several good fighters that were pitted against each other. Erik Charles is an awesome stand-up fighter, but he gets matched against the only BJJ BLack Belt on there, Marrello is another good fighter and he gets matched with Gerald Harris. Then, you have some guys with 1-0 and 0-0 records fighting against each other. Really, it makes no sense if you want the best 16 fighters on the show, but Dana obviously wanted a different dynamic than just that.



He could have accomplished the same different dynamic if he makes everyone fight and leaves 2 or 3 open spots for "Forrest vs Bonnar" type fights.
Actuary
QUOTE (jayboogie @ Friday, April 11th, 2008, 7:27 AM) *
You can't blame Riddle, because you fight until the ref stops the fight.


oh brother.

Being a decent human being trumps what your corner man tell you.
jayboogie
QUOTE (Actuary @ Friday, April 11th, 2008, 8:10 PM) *
oh brother.

Being a decent human being trumps what your corner man tell you.


I really don't see how you can blame Riddler. He's in there doing his job and that's to keep fighting until the ref stops the fight. He saw Simmler hurt after he knocked him down and went for the kill, if he doesn't jump on his opponent when he's hurt, he can recover and come back to win the fight. I'm sure Simmler had no problems with him doing what he did as I'm sure he would have done the same, as would any other fighter. It's the ref's job to step in and stop the fight to protect the fighters and Herb Dean stepped in too late, because he was out of position.
Actuary
QUOTE (jayboogie @ Friday, April 11th, 2008, 6:54 PM) *
I really don't see how you can blame Riddler. He's in there doing his job and that's to keep fighting until the ref stops the fight. He saw Simmler hurt after he knocked him down and went for the kill, if he doesn't jump on his opponent when he's hurt, he can recover and come back to win the fight. I'm sure Simmler had no problems with him doing what he did as I'm sure he would have done the same, as would any other fighter. It's the ref's job to step in and stop the fight to protect the fighters and Herb Dean stepped in too late, because he was out of position.


Remember the Spencer Fisher fight against Wyman, I think. He lands the flying knee and just walks away. Well, that is a bit extreme and obv he can be wrong and Wyman recoups. And do you recall the Rashad vs Salmon fight? Rashad kicks Salmon to next week and then punches his head while on the ground out cold? Ok, imo, Rashad and Riddler knew their opponets were out and for some reason, adrenaline, they get off on it, whatever they don't stop.

You are technically correct. It''s their job to destroy the enemy. It's Herb's job to stop it. If you don't see where I"m coming from then we'll agree to disagree.
BigLebowski
I can see both sides of the argument here. Personally, I would tend to agree with actuary simply because that would be what I would do...or not do. Easy to call it from the armchair when I simply don't have a physical fighting bone in my body. However, the fighters are told to fight until the ref stops it and I would guess the vast majority of fighters would agree with Riddler's actions.

I wonder how much inexperience plays into it in that some of these guys may have never knocked someone out cold like that. They don't know what it feels like so maybe it doesn't even come into their thinking that the other guy is out cold. In the heat of the moment I can see an inexperienced guy (in KTFO's i mean) not realizing when a good stopping point is so he waits for the ref to step in.

I think the Rashad/Salmon instance was a little different in that Salmon fell like a sawed tree, stiff and already out before he hit the deck. Riddler's opponent kind of crumbled on top of himself which would be a little harder to tell if he was really out. Riddler was on top of him immediately throwing the first punch shortly after his opponent hit the deck. After Riddler's first punch though he should have known the guy was out.

How many times have we seen a guy get flashed KO'd and hit the deck only to be woken up by his head hitting the canvas or his opponent hitting him again on the ground?
PrtyPSux
wow I just got home and watched a pretty damn entertaining fight on NBC? wtf? It was strikeforce, good production, good fight, and Lon McEachern was the commentator....pretty bizarre but cool at the same time.

Also I bought the Yamma shit yesterday and it was the worst thing I've ever seen....I'd be surprised if they're not bankrupt by next month, seriously...when your main attractions are Butterbean, Ricco Rodriguez, and Mark Kerr you can't be in very good shape.
Yoda
QUOTE (PrtyPSux @ Sunday, April 13th, 2008, 5:36 AM) *
wow I just got home and watched a pretty damn entertaining fight on NBC? wtf? It was strikeforce, good production, good fight, and Lon McEachern was the commentator....pretty bizarre but cool at the same time.

Also I bought the Yamma shit yesterday and it was the worst thing I've ever seen....I'd be surprised if they're not bankrupt by next month, seriously...when your main attractions are Butterbean, Ricco Rodriguez, and Mark Kerr you can't be in very good shape.


Saw that butterbean fight...just sad. Even the announcer was like "Butterbean falls down.......and now he'll never get up."
AimHigher
QUOTE (Yoda @ Tuesday, April 15th, 2008, 1:39 PM) *
Saw that butterbean fight...just sad. Even the announcer was like "Butterbean falls down.......and now he'll never get up."


ROFL, ever see an upside down turtle? It was remarkably similar. Who wants to see a fat guy in Rocky Balboa's shorts rolling around on the floor for five minutes?
jdrury12
QUOTE (HoosierAlum @ Thursday, April 10th, 2008, 6:42 PM) *
haha I noticed this and laughed during the show.

Also, every time I see/hear Steve Mazzagatti I go on full blown monkey tilt...


Same. He's a man in a lawyer's body.



Anyone else disgusted by the presence of Kimbo in EliteXC? Just sickened by the image he brings to the table. He gives all the 'human cockfighting' fiends their food. Plus he shows no respect for the sport. Not to mention all the feeding they do to him. I'm not a fan of them feeding Abbott to him and hyping it up like a real fight. Thoughts on Kimbo?
BigLebowski
QUOTE (jdrury12 @ Tuesday, April 15th, 2008, 9:59 PM) *
Plus he shows no respect for the sport.


How?

It's a money grab in MMA right now. I am shocked we haven't heard about Mike Tyson being signed to an upstart yet.
PrtyPSux
QUOTE (BigLebowski @ Wednesday, April 16th, 2008, 1:55 AM) *
How?

It's a money grab in MMA right now. I am shocked we haven't heard about Mike Tyson being signed to an upstart yet.


Wasn't tyson supposed to fight bob sap?

Also, I agree bout kimbo....I think he's def good for the sport, I do want to see him fight a real opponent at some point though.
Actuary
QUOTE (jdrury12 @ Tuesday, April 15th, 2008, 5:59 PM) *
Same. He's a man in a lawyer's body.
Anyone else disgusted by the presence of Kimbo in EliteXC? Just sickened by the image he brings to the table. He gives all the 'human cockfighting' fiends their food. Plus he shows no respect for the sport. Not to mention all the feeding they do to him. I'm not a fan of them feeding Abbott to him and hyping it up like a real fight. Thoughts on Kimbo?


I don't see it.
He hasn't had enoug fights to be fighting people much better than Tank.

I think he plays up the street image but nothing I'd say was disrespecting. But I'm not a huge follower of his But I get tired of people saying he's fighting cans in his 3 pro fights
freak2304
QUOTE (Actuary @ Tuesday, April 15th, 2008, 11:46 PM) *
I don't see it.
He hasn't had enoug fights to be fighting people much better than Tank.

I think he plays up the street image but nothing I'd say was disrespecting. But I'm not a huge follower of his But I get tired of people saying he's fighting cans in his 3 pro fights


I think alot of it comes from established MMA fighters who had to bust their ass coming up the ranks to get where they are and Kimbo became an internet sensation and got bumped up pretty quick. Not to the head of the table yet but pretty high for as unexperienced he is as an actual MMA fighter.
grocery_mony
QUOTE (jdrury12 @ Tuesday, April 15th, 2008, 6:59 PM) *
Same. He's a man in a lawyer's body.
Anyone else disgusted by the presence of Kimbo in EliteXC? Just sickened by the image he brings to the table. He gives all the 'human cockfighting' fiends their food. Plus he shows no respect for the sport. Not to mention all the feeding they do to him. I'm not a fan of them feeding Abbott to him and hyping it up like a real fight. Thoughts on Kimbo?

Deffinatly more disgusted by Butterbean being in mma than Kimbo. Going back to the early days of the UFC streetfighting style has been part of mma and has led to some real good fight entertainment wise. Tank Abbot made a 10 year career out of it. I do think he is way overhyped and is being coddled by elite opponent wise. The guy he is gonna fight on the CBS is show is another joke. If you put him in there with a technically good fighter he would probally lose. But he will always have a punchers chance against anyone.
grocery_mony
QUOTE (Actuary @ Tuesday, April 15th, 2008, 9:46 PM) *
I don't see it.
He hasn't had enoug fights to be fighting people much better than Tank.
I think he plays up the street image but nothing I'd say was disrespecting. But I'm not a huge follower of his But I get tired of people saying he's fighting cans in his 3 pro fights

Another super hyped heavyweight new to mma fought the former UFC champion in his first fight and is fighting another former champ in his next fight.
jdrury12
QUOTE (BigLebowski @ Tuesday, April 15th, 2008, 9:55 PM) *
How?

It's a money grab in MMA right now. I am shocked we haven't heard about Mike Tyson being signed to an upstart yet.


Shoving the ref. I wanted to puke when he did that TWICE in the Tank fight, like he doesn't have to listen to no ref.

And yes, it's a money grab. But he has taken MMA back to UFC 1. People go back and think about the human ****-fighting image when they see him.

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I think he's def good for the sport, I do want to see him fight a real opponent at some point though.


Agreed that he has to fight someone a little better than Thompson. What does anyone prove beating Tank? A losing record who never even had a prime. Yet Gary Shaw told America he was a real fighter, and people bought it. That's what I don't like, Shaw tries to play the public as morons.

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get tired of people saying he's fighting cans in his 3 pro fights

Ray Mercer- Had one fight, it was an exhibition where he got destroyed.
Cantrell- Lost his four fights going into Kimbo and is a career losing fighter.
Tank- 9-14 career. Had won one fight in the decade going into the Kimbo fight, losing 7 of his last 8. His biggest career win was Cabbage?

These guys, esp Tank, were all hyped up to be 100x what they really are.

And mony, yeah Butterbean is also a sick joke to the sport, but they aren't feeding him jokers and trying to make you think he's real good.

People are saying he just isn't that good, too early to tell, not good enough to fight Buentello etc., then why do they hype him as their best fighter? Why is he going to take it home over Scott Smith and Robbie Lawler who are in a title fight, and a damn good one? Because they are trying to cash in on him now, which is part of Shaw's mistake IMO.
BigLebowski
QUOTE (jdrury12 @ Wednesday, April 16th, 2008, 9:12 AM) *
Shoving the ref. I wanted to puke when he did that TWICE in the Tank fight, like he doesn't have to listen to no ref.
And yes, it's a money grab. But he has taken MMA back to UFC 1. People go back and think about the human ****-fighting image when they see him.

Why is he going to take it home over Scott Smith and Robbie Lawler who are in a title fight, and a damn good one? Because they are trying to cash in on him now, which is part of Shaw's mistake IMO.


Agree with the nudges that he gave the ref, but imo that is no worse than holding submissions too long or hitting guys who are obviously unconscious. The only difference is Kimbo is being shown on a channel that everyone can watch whereas the others are typically on PPV basis where the fan knowledge base is a bit larger. Of course it looks bad when a fighter nudges a ref like that. I am not making excuses for him, but if that's all you got for showing no respect to the sport we would lose half of the idiots in the UFC too.

Again, this is shown on regular TV. Scott Smith and Robbie Lawler might be good fighters..hell, Lawler might even be top 10 in his weight class right now, but they are in the business of making money. Three guys no one has ever heard of. Two white guys who are small enough where a lot of people think they could probably take them or a huge black dood that looks like he could beat up a M1 Abrams. No brainer business decision. I am not saying that is right at all, but MMA fans sometimes forget these manager/promoters/owners for the most part don't care about giving the hard core MMA fan what you want, they care about $$$$$$$$$.

Same exact reason why Lesnar is going to be the main event when he fights Coleman.
KDawgCometh
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Wednesday, April 16th, 2008, 12:39 AM) *
Another super hyped heavyweight new to mma fought the former UFC champion in his first fight and is fighting another former champ in his next fight.



this one doesn't hold that much weight because Lesnar was a NCAA HW champ in wrestling and I can garuntee you that if Cael Sanderson decided to fight at 185 that he would probably be pushed right to the top of the division real fast too because of his pedigree. Kimbo doesn't have that pedigree
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