I got a bit nervous seeing the line move as it did. Figured some folks knew much more than I did about Cungs chances
Apparenlty he's a good wrestler. I think Frank kept it on his feet because he had to.
too bad the broken wrist. Decent card.
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Side kicks, really? who does that?
I hadn't really seen Cung Le, he's entertaining though....his kicks are insanely fast and his style seems hard to deal with. Seems like he might have a weak chin though, not sure. I'd like to see this guy in the UFC, he'd probably get destroyed though.
Anyway, I enjoyed the fight, can't wait for wednesday.
I hadn't really seen Cung Le, he's entertaining though....his kicks are insanely fast and his style seems hard to deal with. Seems like he might have a weak chin though, not sure. I'd like to see this guy in the UFC, he'd probably get destroyed though.
Anyway, I enjoyed the fight, can't wait for wednesday.
Frank Shamrock used to be a great fighter. I think he started in MMA when he was about 22. He was a wrecking machine then, but he walked away from the sport. Sadly he is past his prime as I have stated before.
Cung Le shows a lot of promise. But he is 35. That is not young at all by MMA standards. He looks young, but he's not. He fought a lot outside of MMA in other types of fights. I question his chin, but at the same time, he hasn't had a lot of these types of fights to work with. Ideally I would like to see where he's at in 5 years. But at 40........I have to wonder.
As a whole EliteXC is doing the best that it can I suppose. But the caliber of fighter they get is just not on the level in comparison to the UFC. However, Melendez looked liked he would fit right in with the 155 group in UFC.
Cung Le shows a lot of promise. But he is 35. That is not young at all by MMA standards. He looks young, but he's not. He fought a lot outside of MMA in other types of fights. I question his chin, but at the same time, he hasn't had a lot of these types of fights to work with. Ideally I would like to see where he's at in 5 years. But at 40........I have to wonder.
As a whole EliteXC is doing the best that it can I suppose. But the caliber of fighter they get is just not on the level in comparison to the UFC. However, Melendez looked liked he would fit right in with the 155 group in UFC.
My 13 year old son watched the Le-Shamrock fight with me. He liked it a lot (His first fight). The kicks from Cung Le were snapping when they hit.
I knew Le would beat him, I thought he would do it easier actually. Frank's got a pretty good chin. I would have preferred an actual KO, but kicking the shit out of somebody's arm and breaking it is satisfying in it's own way too. He dominated most of the fight other than getting caught in the 3rd Round, but he was never really in danger. His chin is fine, he got tagged with a shot he didn't see and was wobbled a bit, but recovered fine. He wasn't on queer street or anything like that. Shamrock's never been known for his wrestling and Le has awesome wrestling that everyone overlooks for whatever reason. Standing, it was never going to be much of a contest. That leg sweep he did was awesome too.
He's 35, but a young 35. He hasn't had much wear and tear on his body really. Age in fighting doesn't matter too much, it depends more on how many wars you've been in, injuries and the way you train. I think in a year, he's gonna give anyone a tough fight even Anderson Silva. I give him a chance against Anderson, because styles make fights. The fight would be a Stand-Up war and I certainly would give Le a chance in a fight like that against anyone. Le's only been fighting MMA for 2 years and has steadily been beating solid competition. Right now, he's like Chuck. Everybody says he's 1 dimensional and can only fight standing, but nobody has been able to force him to show his ground game. His wrestling is top notch and it won't be easy for anybody to take him down.
He's 35, but a young 35. He hasn't had much wear and tear on his body really. Age in fighting doesn't matter too much, it depends more on how many wars you've been in, injuries and the way you train. I think in a year, he's gonna give anyone a tough fight even Anderson Silva. I give him a chance against Anderson, because styles make fights. The fight would be a Stand-Up war and I certainly would give Le a chance in a fight like that against anyone. Le's only been fighting MMA for 2 years and has steadily been beating solid competition. Right now, he's like Chuck. Everybody says he's 1 dimensional and can only fight standing, but nobody has been able to force him to show his ground game. His wrestling is top notch and it won't be easy for anybody to take him down.
QUOTE (jayboogie @ Sunday, March 30th, 2008, 9:13 PM) 
I knew Le would beat him, I thought he would do it easier actually. Frank's got a pretty good chin. I would have preferred an actual KO, but kicking the shit out of somebody's arm and breaking it is satisfying in it's own way too. He dominated most of the fight other than getting caught in the 3rd Round, but he was never really in danger. His chin is fine, he got tagged with a shot he didn't see and was wobbled a bit, but recovered fine. He wasn't on queer street or anything like that. Shamrock's never been known for his wrestling and Le has awesome wrestling that everyone overlooks for whatever reason. Standing, it was never going to be much of a contest. That leg sweep he did was awesome too.
He's 35, but a young 35. He hasn't had much wear and tear on his body really. Age in fighting doesn't matter too much, it depends more on how many wars you've been in, injuries and the way you train. I think in a year, he's gonna give anyone a tough fight even Anderson Silva. I give him a chance against Anderson, because styles make fights. The fight would be a Stand-Up war and I certainly would give Le a chance in a fight like that against anyone. Le's only been fighting MMA for 2 years and has steadily been beating solid competition. Right now, he's like Chuck. Everybody says he's 1 dimensional and can only fight standing, but nobody has been able to force him to show his ground game. His wrestling is top notch and it won't be easy for anybody to take him down.
He's 35, but a young 35. He hasn't had much wear and tear on his body really. Age in fighting doesn't matter too much, it depends more on how many wars you've been in, injuries and the way you train. I think in a year, he's gonna give anyone a tough fight even Anderson Silva. I give him a chance against Anderson, because styles make fights. The fight would be a Stand-Up war and I certainly would give Le a chance in a fight like that against anyone. Le's only been fighting MMA for 2 years and has steadily been beating solid competition. Right now, he's like Chuck. Everybody says he's 1 dimensional and can only fight standing, but nobody has been able to force him to show his ground game. His wrestling is top notch and it won't be easy for anybody to take him down.
I think if he has any future among the MMa elite it would have to be at 170. He only weighed in at 183 and looked like he could lose some more easily. I dont think he would stand a chance against Silva but at 170 against GSP and Serra he would have a punchers chance. Still would take GSP 9 times out of 10 though/.
The Le/Shamrock fight was highly entertaining, would have been worth a PPV buy easily.
Anyone belive the Sherdog rumour that it's a work?
I need to go see if there is an official Doctor's report. (if that would be definitive to answer the rumour?)
I'm not a conspiracy guy, generally
I need to go see if there is an official Doctor's report. (if that would be definitive to answer the rumour?)
I'm not a conspiracy guy, generally
QUOTE (Actuary @ Monday, March 31st, 2008, 5:31 PM)
Anyone belive the Sherdog rumour that it's a work?
I need to go see if there is an official Doctor's report. (if that would be definitive to answer the rumour?)
I'm not a conspiracy guy, generally
I need to go see if there is an official Doctor's report. (if that would be definitive to answer the rumour?)
I'm not a conspiracy guy, generally
linkage? I assume you are talking about Shamrocks broken arm? I did hear that a ton of money went down on Le last minute. But that could just be alot of the rich asians supporting Le.
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Monday, March 31st, 2008, 5:27 PM)
linkage? I assume you are talking about Shamrocks broken arm? I did hear that a ton of money went down on Le last minute. But that could just be alot of the rich asians supporting Le.
blah, it fizzled I couldn't get all the way thru it THat site is annoying.
Probably a good idea to read the "Update" in the 1st post as that seems to reveal some stuff.
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?t=733703
meh...I sure hope not. It was kinda weird how Frank showed very little signs of the broken arm but as soon as the bell rung at the end of the third he went down like he was shot and really sold it. Do they really think there is demand for a Shamrock/Le trilogy? doubt that kind of shit would be pulled when they just got a deal with CBS.
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Monday, March 31st, 2008, 5:52 PM)
meh...I sure hope not. It was kinda weird how Frank showed very little signs of the broken arm but as soon as the bell rung at the end of the third he went down like he was shot and really sold it. Do they really think there is demand for a Shamrock/Le trilogy? doubt that kind of shit would be pulled when they just got a deal with CBS.
I know little. I know Gary Shaw? the head of Strikeforce/Elite XC (see I don't really know much
) has a bad rep. X boxing promoter. And I'm pretty sure the Shamrocks are in it for the cash these days. I may just resent Frank leaving the UFC when he potentially would have been the biggest draw ever, imoIt seemed while they took shots at each other, only for a short time in ther 3rd round did they follow up.
Obv that is not evidence of a work, at all. Either is Frank falling to his knees with a broken wrist, or throwing a punch with it right after it was broken.
Even wrapping it up in a towel to do the interview does not support a work. I keed.
I'm sorta more concered about the sport getting in corporaate hands. Hopefully they keep emphasising the sport and not the entertainment, which we know is just naturally going to be there w/o false hype
Alright nuff bullshit what are the picks for Wed.?
Frank Edgar
-175
Gray Maynard
+145
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Din Thomas
-180
Josh Neer
+150
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Both boxers must answer opening bell for wager to have action.
Marcus Aurelio
-800
Ryan Roberts
+500
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Clay Guida
-600
Samy Schiavo
+400
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George Sotiropoulos
-165
Roman Mitichyan
+135
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Tommy Speer
-295
Anthony Johnson
+235
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Manny Gamburyan
-800
Jeff Cox
+500
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Matt Hamill
-200
Tim Boetsch
+160
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Nate Diaz
-170
Kurt Pellegrino
+140
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Houston Alexander
-275
James Irvin
+215
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Kenny Florian
-220
Joe Lauzon
+180
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Karo Parisyan
-180
Thiago Alves
+150
I won't post my picks just yet but I'll just say I like any +400....and I think the Tim Boetsch vs Hammil line is interesting.,..,...Tim looked AWESOME last time and Hammil is always strong and solid. I can be easily convinced on either.
Frank Edgar
-175
Gray Maynard
+145
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Din Thomas
-180
Josh Neer
+150
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Marcus Aurelio
-800
Ryan Roberts
+500
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Clay Guida
-600
Samy Schiavo
+400
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George Sotiropoulos
-165
Roman Mitichyan
+135
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Tommy Speer
-295
Anthony Johnson
+235
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Manny Gamburyan
-800
Jeff Cox
+500
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Matt Hamill
-200
Tim Boetsch
+160
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Nate Diaz
-170
Kurt Pellegrino
+140
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Houston Alexander
-275
James Irvin
+215
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Kenny Florian
-220
Joe Lauzon
+180
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Karo Parisyan
-180
Thiago Alves
+150
I won't post my picks just yet but I'll just say I like any +400....and I think the Tim Boetsch vs Hammil line is interesting.,..,...Tim looked AWESOME last time and Hammil is always strong and solid. I can be easily convinced on either.
I think that the Lauzon and Irvin lines are very interesting and worth a play. I still think that Houston Alexander is very over rated and James Irvin can definitely beat him enough of the time to make that line worth a play
With Kenny Florian, I think he is a very good fighter, I think that Lauzon has improved a ton since training with BJ and that he has the ability to win this fight and may have the ability at some point to challenge for the Lightweight title
With Kenny Florian, I think he is a very good fighter, I think that Lauzon has improved a ton since training with BJ and that he has the ability to win this fight and may have the ability at some point to challenge for the Lightweight title
Can't wait for Wed....will do some handicapping tonight/tom and come up with some bets.
Alright so...with these lines I like (but can be convinced to take others at the moment):
Gray Maynard- He's trained under BJ and now trains with Randy at Xtreme. I think Franky edgar is a badass but Gray might be able to pull this off.
Josh Neer- I think? .....I don't know much about this dude but I think this fight is more even than the lines make it out to be. They seem pretty evenly matched so I'm not betting -180 on Din.
Ryan Roberts- he's +500, nuff said.
Sammy Shiavo- Everything points to this dude getting murdered so maybe not betting on the fight is the best play. But I think they wouldn't set up this match with clay unless this Samy dude has something that could challenge Clay or make for a good fight. good odds though, I'll take him.
George Sote;qrawer- I liked him on TUF, I like him in this fight, -165 aint bad imo.
Anthony Johnson- Tommy Speer is getting the "name fighter" odds, he was on TUF so people think he's a badass. I thought he looked terrible in the finale, his training is horrible, and Johnson has a significant size advantage on him. I think this line is way off.
Jeff Cox - ONE TIME FOR THE SHOULDER DISLOCATION!!
I don't know about the hammil match, like I posted earlier, I like Matt but I want to give Boetsch a chance because of his ridic performance in his last fight.
Nate- I think he wins this most of the time, I hope he practiced some head kicks.
Houston Alexander- I don't see how James Irvin can win, as opposed to Thiago Silva who I thought had a legit chance, I think Irvin is getting KTFO. I might still not bet on it though, I don't know if -275 is a good price, I might be able to get him at -230 or so live.
Thiago Alves- I like this guy a lot, I think this fight goes to decision most of the time and Karo wins those a lot but I can see Thiago by KO.
Joe Lauzon- I love this kid, he's a badass and I think he can overwhelm Kenny if he comes out fast. It should be a good fight though, I just hope Joe doesn't get caught in a triangle which is likely the way he fights.
Gray Maynard- He's trained under BJ and now trains with Randy at Xtreme. I think Franky edgar is a badass but Gray might be able to pull this off.
Josh Neer- I think? .....I don't know much about this dude but I think this fight is more even than the lines make it out to be. They seem pretty evenly matched so I'm not betting -180 on Din.
Ryan Roberts- he's +500, nuff said.
Sammy Shiavo- Everything points to this dude getting murdered so maybe not betting on the fight is the best play. But I think they wouldn't set up this match with clay unless this Samy dude has something that could challenge Clay or make for a good fight. good odds though, I'll take him.
George Sote;qrawer- I liked him on TUF, I like him in this fight, -165 aint bad imo.
Anthony Johnson- Tommy Speer is getting the "name fighter" odds, he was on TUF so people think he's a badass. I thought he looked terrible in the finale, his training is horrible, and Johnson has a significant size advantage on him. I think this line is way off.
Jeff Cox - ONE TIME FOR THE SHOULDER DISLOCATION!!
I don't know about the hammil match, like I posted earlier, I like Matt but I want to give Boetsch a chance because of his ridic performance in his last fight.
Nate- I think he wins this most of the time, I hope he practiced some head kicks.
Houston Alexander- I don't see how James Irvin can win, as opposed to Thiago Silva who I thought had a legit chance, I think Irvin is getting KTFO. I might still not bet on it though, I don't know if -275 is a good price, I might be able to get him at -230 or so live.
Thiago Alves- I like this guy a lot, I think this fight goes to decision most of the time and Karo wins those a lot but I can see Thiago by KO.
Joe Lauzon- I love this kid, he's a badass and I think he can overwhelm Kenny if he comes out fast. It should be a good fight though, I just hope Joe doesn't get caught in a triangle which is likely the way he fights.
Initially when I looked at the odds for the card I didn't like it as a whole. Loved the card, but felt that some of the odds were not great. I do like some of the the fights. I'll have to give it some more thought.
I like Karo to win his fight a lot. I think Karo is one of the most underrated fighters out there. I believe it's a great price.
I like Karo to win his fight a lot. I think Karo is one of the most underrated fighters out there. I believe it's a great price.
I just started to do some handicapping but I think there is quite a bit of value on Kurt Pellegrino. Probably my favorite bet on the card...
QUOTE (PrtyPSux @ Tuesday, April 1st, 2008, 12:43 AM)
Alright nuff bullshit what are the picks for Wed.?
Frank Edgar
-175
Gray Maynard
+145
Edgar's looked awesome out there and he's faced and beaten the better competition. Maynard has good wrestling, but I think this fight will stay standing, because Edgar's wrestling should nullify Maynard's. I just don't think Maynard has the skills at this point to really do anything to Edgar.
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Din Thomas
-180
Josh Neer
+150
I think Din is just better all around and should win this fight. Neer is pretty crafty though and could certainly pull off the upset, but I like Din in this fight.
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Marcus Aurelio
-800
Ryan Roberts
+500
Not worth betting either side really. I expect Aurelio to win easy though.
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Clay Guida
-600
Samy Schiavo
+400
Not worth betting and Clay should win.
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George Sotiropoulos
-165
Roman Mitichyan
+135
Pretty accurate line in my opinion. They're both pretty good on the ground and it'll come down to who gets the better positions. I think George is better standing though and that should give him the edge in this fight.
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Tommy Speer
-295
Anthony Johnson
+235
I think Johnson can pull off the upset here. He's definitely better standing and if he can avoid the takedowns, he can definitely win this fight. Speer is not exactly very technical and there are a ton of holes in his game and I think that gets exposed here.
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Manny Gamburyan
-800
Jeff Cox
+500
Not worth betting.
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Matt Hamill
-200
Tim Boetsch
+160
I think this is a pretty even fight. Hamill on paper has better wrestling, but Boetsch has a wrestling background as well. We'll find out how good it is. Hamill's striking is awful and if this stays standing any decent amount of time, Boetsch should stop him.
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Nate Diaz
-170
Kurt Pellegrino
+140
I like Pellegrino in this fight. I think he has better boxing and definitely better wrestling. On the ground, Nate is very slick, but Pellegrino is a black belt himself and I don't think that will phase him. Pellegrino should be able to control where the fight goes and that gives him the edge in my opinion.
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Houston Alexander
-275
James Irvin
+215
Irvin has very heavy hands and this will be a stand-up war. I certainly would give him a good chance to KO Alexander just as Alexander could do the same to him. It's a fairly even fight in my opinion and there is value betting Irvin.
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Kenny Florian
-220
Joe Lauzon
+180
I just think Joe overwhelms him and pushes the pace and uses his wrestling and GnP to nullify anything Florian does.
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Karo Parisyan
-180
Thiago Alves
+150
The line is pretty accurate here in my opinion. I'm not totally sold on Karo, because he doesn't finish his fights. This could prove to be his undoing against Alves who is extremely aggressive and has very good stand-up. This is an interesting fight that should be entertaining but not worth betting on.
Frank Edgar
-175
Gray Maynard
+145
Edgar's looked awesome out there and he's faced and beaten the better competition. Maynard has good wrestling, but I think this fight will stay standing, because Edgar's wrestling should nullify Maynard's. I just don't think Maynard has the skills at this point to really do anything to Edgar.
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Din Thomas
-180
Josh Neer
+150
I think Din is just better all around and should win this fight. Neer is pretty crafty though and could certainly pull off the upset, but I like Din in this fight.
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Marcus Aurelio
-800
Ryan Roberts
+500
Not worth betting either side really. I expect Aurelio to win easy though.
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Clay Guida
-600
Samy Schiavo
+400
Not worth betting and Clay should win.
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George Sotiropoulos
-165
Roman Mitichyan
+135
Pretty accurate line in my opinion. They're both pretty good on the ground and it'll come down to who gets the better positions. I think George is better standing though and that should give him the edge in this fight.
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Tommy Speer
-295
Anthony Johnson
+235
I think Johnson can pull off the upset here. He's definitely better standing and if he can avoid the takedowns, he can definitely win this fight. Speer is not exactly very technical and there are a ton of holes in his game and I think that gets exposed here.
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Manny Gamburyan
-800
Jeff Cox
+500
Not worth betting.
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Matt Hamill
-200
Tim Boetsch
+160
I think this is a pretty even fight. Hamill on paper has better wrestling, but Boetsch has a wrestling background as well. We'll find out how good it is. Hamill's striking is awful and if this stays standing any decent amount of time, Boetsch should stop him.
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Nate Diaz
-170
Kurt Pellegrino
+140
I like Pellegrino in this fight. I think he has better boxing and definitely better wrestling. On the ground, Nate is very slick, but Pellegrino is a black belt himself and I don't think that will phase him. Pellegrino should be able to control where the fight goes and that gives him the edge in my opinion.
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Houston Alexander
-275
James Irvin
+215
Irvin has very heavy hands and this will be a stand-up war. I certainly would give him a good chance to KO Alexander just as Alexander could do the same to him. It's a fairly even fight in my opinion and there is value betting Irvin.
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Kenny Florian
-220
Joe Lauzon
+180
I just think Joe overwhelms him and pushes the pace and uses his wrestling and GnP to nullify anything Florian does.
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Karo Parisyan
-180
Thiago Alves
+150
The line is pretty accurate here in my opinion. I'm not totally sold on Karo, because he doesn't finish his fights. This could prove to be his undoing against Alves who is extremely aggressive and has very good stand-up. This is an interesting fight that should be entertaining but not worth betting on.
interesting....I think you're losing value in not betting the monster dogs, I haven't seen too many fights where I legitimately think that someone is a 4 to 1 dog simply because Joe Silva and the UFC don't like making throwaway boring fights, sometimes the fights turn out that way though but for the most part they try to get good matchups, and unless you're one of the top dogs like Silva, GSP, or BJ you're usually not going to have an easy fight. imo. In this case, I think betting against Manny is siiick value because of the shoulder issues and the fact that he's not really anything amazing outside of being super aggro, hes DEF. not -800.
As for the rest of your picks....Everyone is picking Edgar and Kurt. And I might change my mind on the Edgar one if the lines are available live, but I don't know what people see in Pellegrino really? I mean, yea he looked decent vs Joe Stevenson, but I didn't see him do anything impressive at all, and against Alberto Crane he almost got KO'd in seconds and also I didn't see him look all that great during that fight. My reason behind Nate is that he can submit Kurt from his back and Kurt probably can't do that vs Nate. I also think that no one likes nate and they just pick Kurt to beat his ass. But I don't know, I might change that pick too.
I think the Din Thomas line is bad at -180, I'd take him at -130 maybe -140....and I don't mind Neer at +150 for a small bet or none at all. I think Anthony Johnson might be best value of the card, Lauzon is good value too so I agree with you there, but I don't think Irvin wins this fight unless he gets super luck and can withstand the first few minutes of aggression by Alexander, the dude is scary and I think Irvin might be overwhelmed early on.
As for the rest of your picks....Everyone is picking Edgar and Kurt. And I might change my mind on the Edgar one if the lines are available live, but I don't know what people see in Pellegrino really? I mean, yea he looked decent vs Joe Stevenson, but I didn't see him do anything impressive at all, and against Alberto Crane he almost got KO'd in seconds and also I didn't see him look all that great during that fight. My reason behind Nate is that he can submit Kurt from his back and Kurt probably can't do that vs Nate. I also think that no one likes nate and they just pick Kurt to beat his ass. But I don't know, I might change that pick too.
I think the Din Thomas line is bad at -180, I'd take him at -130 maybe -140....and I don't mind Neer at +150 for a small bet or none at all. I think Anthony Johnson might be best value of the card, Lauzon is good value too so I agree with you there, but I don't think Irvin wins this fight unless he gets super luck and can withstand the first few minutes of aggression by Alexander, the dude is scary and I think Irvin might be overwhelmed early on.
Fedor/Randy might still happen in the UFC http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3280383
I think Dana has to make it happen. With all the upstarts coming taking Fedor and possibly Randy off the FA market would be a wise business decision. Tim Sylvia just signed with M1 america.
I think Dana has to make it happen. With all the upstarts coming taking Fedor and possibly Randy off the FA market would be a wise business decision. Tim Sylvia just signed with M1 america.
WWWOW So I got back from the casino and these are the lines the sportsbook had:
Joe Lauzon +165
Kenny - 195
Thiago Alves +120
Karo +150
Boetsch +170
Matt Hamill -200
Here's where it gets insane
Kurt Pellegrino +250!!??
Nate Diaz -330
Josh Neer +240
Din Thomas -320
Samy Shiavo +240???
Clay Guida -270 ...wow
Anthony Johnson +220
Tommy -300
Gray +250
Frank Edgar -300 (is Gray worth betting at this line? I think so.)
James Irvin +170
Houston -200 <---- I think?
Roman Mitichyan +250 this or no bet.
George Sotiropoulos -330
As it stands I think most of these bets have MONSTER VALUE.
Joe Lauzon +165
Kenny - 195
Thiago Alves +120
Karo +150
Boetsch +170
Matt Hamill -200
Here's where it gets insane
Kurt Pellegrino +250!!??
Nate Diaz -330
Josh Neer +240
Din Thomas -320
Samy Shiavo +240???
Clay Guida -270 ...wow
Anthony Johnson +220
Tommy -300
Gray +250
Frank Edgar -300 (is Gray worth betting at this line? I think so.)
James Irvin +170
Houston -200 <---- I think?
Roman Mitichyan +250 this or no bet.
George Sotiropoulos -330
As it stands I think most of these bets have MONSTER VALUE.
wow +250 on KP is the fking value bet of the century...I think he should be the favorite in that fight. did he get injured overnight or something?
Those lines are so insane what book was that at?
Those lines are so insane what book was that at?
Clay Guida might be more value than KP.......bet 27k, lol.
QUOTE (PrtyPSux @ Wednesday, April 2nd, 2008, 5:04 AM)
Clay Guida might be more value than KP.......bet 27k, lol.
U are so baller!!!
btw....what fight is that in your sig?
QUOTE (Vick12 @ Wednesday, April 2nd, 2008, 9:18 AM)
U are so baller!!!
btw....what fight is that in your sig?
btw....what fight is that in your sig?
Pete Sell, Scott Smith. One of the most exciting endings ever.
QUOTE (PrtyPSux @ Wednesday, April 2nd, 2008, 4:21 AM)
James Irvin +170
Houston -200 <---- I think?
Houston -200 <---- I think?
I think this one could be a good Irvin bet imo. Even after all of his fights now, I'm still not sold on Alexander. Both are strikers, so it will be fun to watch nonetheless.
QUOTE (outsider13 @ Wednesday, April 2nd, 2008, 2:41 PM)
Pete Sell, Scott Smith. One of the most exciting endings ever.
I think this one could be a good Irvin bet imo. Even after all of his fights now, I'm still not sold on Alexander. Both are strikers, so it will be fun to watch nonetheless.
I think this one could be a good Irvin bet imo. Even after all of his fights now, I'm still not sold on Alexander. Both are strikers, so it will be fun to watch nonetheless.
I am interested in Irvin too. I checked out a HL video and the guy can definitely bang, he has a decent clinch and heavy hands. He seems to have some very explosive takedowns (I saw him taking different guys down with doubles and singles). He has a couple of submission victories according to sherdog, one of which is a very nice transition from mount to an armbar that I saw in the video.
I think if Irvin takes the worst of it standing, he can shoot on Alexander and take him down. I don't really think Alexander would be able to stop Irvin from advancing to the mount, a la Thiago Silva fight.
Edit: I just read in an interview Irvin intends to keep it on the feet.
Pellegrino at +250 is awesome. His fight with Joe Daddy was very back and forth and close. He showed some awesome transitions and did pretty well in the fight. I think he wins this fight, because he can control where this fight goes. His wrestling is way better than Nate's and his boxing I feel is better as well. On the ground, it's going to be hard to submit Pellegrino unless he hurts him first. It's pretty difficult to submit any black belt without dazing them first.
Those fights like Manny and Aurelio are tune-up fights basically. They're on the undercard, so whether they're competitive or not is probably not all that important.
You might be right on the Din fight actually, I would avoid that fight as well because I'm not sure how Din's knee is coming off surgery. Neer at +240 is a good bet for sure.
Most of those lines are really off to me, so you get lots of value betting pretty much every one of those fights you bolded, other than maybe the Irvin/Alexander fight.
Those fights like Manny and Aurelio are tune-up fights basically. They're on the undercard, so whether they're competitive or not is probably not all that important.
You might be right on the Din fight actually, I would avoid that fight as well because I'm not sure how Din's knee is coming off surgery. Neer at +240 is a good bet for sure.
Most of those lines are really off to me, so you get lots of value betting pretty much every one of those fights you bolded, other than maybe the Irvin/Alexander fight.
QUOTE (outsider13 @ Wednesday, April 2nd, 2008, 10:41 AM)
I think this one could be a good Irvin bet imo. Even after all of his fights now, I'm still not sold on Alexander. Both are strikers, so it will be fun to watch nonetheless.
QUOTE (AimHigher @ Wednesday, April 2nd, 2008, 2:22 PM)
I am interested in Irvin too.
you have chosen... wisely.
I had no idea this fight night was going to be this stacked. jesus, I was hoping to get a workout in before the main event but there isn't any on the card I'm willing to miss. damn it. and why the hell is clay guida on the "may not be broadcast" of an ultimate fight night? dudes one of my favorite fighters and I thought he won last time he fought. no?
QUOTE (ShakeZuma @ Wednesday, April 2nd, 2008, 4:26 PM)
you have chosen... wisely.
I had no idea this fight night was going to be this stacked. jesus, I was hoping to get a workout in before the main event but there isn't any on the card I'm willing to miss. damn it. and why the hell is clay guida on the "may not be broadcast" of an ultimate fight night? dudes one of my favorite fighters and I thought he won last time he fought. no?
I had no idea this fight night was going to be this stacked. jesus, I was hoping to get a workout in before the main event but there isn't any on the card I'm willing to miss. damn it. and why the hell is clay guida on the "may not be broadcast" of an ultimate fight night? dudes one of my favorite fighters and I thought he won last time he fought. no?
Huerta beat Guida late in his last fight in a fight that was going Guida's way. The next few UFC cards have stacked top to bottom cards. thats the advantage they have on there competition. Some of those guys on elitexc' last undercard dont belong on tv. what a performance by Diaz/
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Wednesday, April 2nd, 2008, 7:42 PM)
Huerta beat Guida late in his last fight in a fight that was going Guida's way. The next few UFC cards have stacked top to bottom cards. thats the advantage they have on there competition. Some of those guys on elitexc' last undercard dont belong on tv. what a performance by Diaz/
oh yeah i remember that. I'd still rather watch guida fight than half the other guys they have all the time.
also, I love how it always seems that the free fights end up being more entertaining than the pay per view ones.
wtf is up with Steve Mazzagatti? Hes made some super questionable decisions lately : 1)Deducting a point in the Lesnar fight 2)Tonights Alexander fight (though imo it was justified) 3) Then just now in the Thiago/Karo fight... I think calling that fight was definitely premature.
obv pulling a Tim Donaghy
obv pulling a Tim Donaghy
wow, I hope tommy speer can regain the ability to talk and read again
Wow, so my picks for this card have officially gone out the window....Impressive performance from Maynard.
QUOTE (HoosierAlum @ Wednesday, April 2nd, 2008, 8:37 PM)
wtf is up with Steve Mazzagatti? Hes made some super questionable decisions lately : 1)Deducting a point in the Lesnar fight 2)Tonights Alexander fight (though imo it was justified) 3) Then just now in the Thiago/Karo fight... I think calling that fight was definitely premature.
obv pulling a Tim Donaghy
obv pulling a Tim Donaghy
He has always been a shitty referee in my opinion...
QUOTE (HoosierAlum @ Thursday, April 3rd, 2008, 12:37 AM)
wtf is up with Steve Mazzagatti? Hes made some super questionable decisions lately : 1)Deducting a point in the Lesnar fight 2)Tonights Alexander fight (though imo it was justified) 3) Then just now in the Thiago/Karo fight... I think calling that fight was definitely premature.
obv pulling a Tim Donaghy
obv pulling a Tim Donaghy
I'm undecided on it. It was a brutal knee that should've put Karo away. Maybe it didn't catch him flush on the chin or something, but he did eat 3 extra punches, I remember the last one being square on the chin too. Karo was up fast as hell and didn't seem remotely stunned.
Anyone know how Guida made out?
QUOTE (HoosierAlum @ Wednesday, April 2nd, 2008, 8:37 PM)
wtf is up with Steve Mazzagatti? Hes made some super questionable decisions lately : 1)Deducting a point in the Lesnar fight 2)Tonights Alexander fight (though imo it was justified) 3) Then just now in the Thiago/Karo fight... I think calling that fight was definitely premature.
obv pulling a Tim Donaghy
obv pulling a Tim Donaghy
I disagree. I watched the replays and rewound them myself as well, and in both of those stoppages, the fighters dropped from the initial blow then went limp for a second when on the ground. How many fights can you think of where I fighter came back from something like that? Probably not a lot. Sure, they recovered when the guy was pulled off of them. It's a lot easier to argue with a ref and throw your hands in the air to the crowd with double vision and a light head than it is to dodge a flurry of bombs. They are trying to make this sport mainstream and take it out of the dark ages, and limp, unconscious fighters taking fists to the head won't allow them to do it.
Basically, my long winded, new to MMA opinion, I think they were good stoppages. Very close, but the right thing to do.
QUOTE (ShakeZuma @ Wednesday, April 2nd, 2008, 8:52 PM)
wow, I hope tommy speer can regain the ability to talk and read again
You think he had it in the first place?
Certainly Mazzagatti called the Alexander fight right. He was as conscious as Chuck Liddell vs. Rampage. These guys are fools for pretending they could still go.
As for Karo, he did fold like a lawn chair. From the reverse angle (the angle the ref had), it looked awful. The punches on the ground weren't really connecting, but like Ron Mexico said, what were his chances there? He could have easily just mounted him there and killed him. It was done. Karo is an idiot though. He's a great fighter, but an absolute classless human being.
As for Karo, he did fold like a lawn chair. From the reverse angle (the angle the ref had), it looked awful. The punches on the ground weren't really connecting, but like Ron Mexico said, what were his chances there? He could have easily just mounted him there and killed him. It was done. Karo is an idiot though. He's a great fighter, but an absolute classless human being.
QUOTE (Ron_Mexico @ Wednesday, April 2nd, 2008, 7:11 PM)
You think he had it in the first place?
Damn you stealing my joke.
His pre fight interviews seems to support your allegation.
Also, I think Houston was in some serious denial. Give Sandman his props.
Note the fans didn't boo the Kyro stoppage. He's gets too many D's.
I saw that one as much more controversial. Kayro is inline to get a title shot soon and he's a vet. Steve has to take that into consideration. I've rewound it and really only thought the knee and first punch connected. Alves was smart to keep the flurry up though. Had it not been stopped, he was at risk of gassing. But then Kayro and that gut may have only been able to hold him down for the victory.
I made a small amount, again.
Took Thiago, Anthony Johnson - Wow!, Kenny
lost Pelligrino, Boetch (Hamill looked good to me. I'm late on that train. altitude killed the fatter man though), Alexander, Edgar, Cox
Nate's fight was a throw back to Gracie for me.
Seems Nate vs Kenny would have been the proper matchup, given Nates accomplishments on the show.
Kenny was a big step for Lauzon, imo.
Anyone see why Lauzon did not finish the heel hooks?
Hey
I just noticed my Shamrock v Lee bet has not settled yet on Bodgog
Is this an issue wuth anyone else?
Curious given the controversy
I just noticed my Shamrock v Lee bet has not settled yet on Bodgog
Is this an issue wuth anyone else?
Curious given the controversy
QUOTE (Ron_Mexico @ Wednesday, April 2nd, 2008, 8:11 PM)
I disagree. I watched the replays and rewound them myself as well, and in both of those stoppages, the fighters dropped from the initial blow then went limp for a second when on the ground. How many fights can you think of where I fighter came back from something like that? Probably not a lot. Sure, they recovered when the guy was pulled off of them. It's a lot easier to argue with a ref and throw your hands in the air to the crowd with double vision and a light head than it is to dodge a flurry of bombs. They are trying to make this sport mainstream and take it out of the dark ages, and limp, unconscious fighters taking fists to the head won't allow them to do it.
Basically, my long winded, new to MMA opinion, I think they were good stoppages. Very close, but the right thing to do.
You think he had it in the first place?
Basically, my long winded, new to MMA opinion, I think they were good stoppages. Very close, but the right thing to do.
You think he had it in the first place?
I think just about anyone would agree with the alexander stoppage. The Parisyan one was way to quick though. Mazzegatti is always quick to stop. Just look to the Diaz fight where Pelligrino had him pinned down and got several uncontested shots in but Diaz was still not out then came back and won the fight. Its the diffrence between good and poor referrees. I think every fighter in a match where wins and losses means so much would rather the ref really assess the damage and maybe take an extra shot or 2 then have one who is quick on the draw. One thing to look for is if the fighters arms are still deffending. Karos arms were still up, Alexanders were at his side.
QUOTE (Actuary @ Wednesday, April 2nd, 2008, 7:49 PM)
Anyone see why Lauzon did not finish the heel hooks?
heel hooks are REALLY hard to finish with obv. for a number of reasons. some people just won't tap to em. the position (your arm in relation to the foot and often times your body in relation to theirs) has to be perfect, as opposed to an arm bar or knee bar. and you're obviously exposing your legs.
the first one looked like kenny had enough room to turn into it. he had the right position in the second one but it looked like his arm slipped up over the heel. at least that's what i thought happened to each of them.
my question: did anyone else think diaz's triangle was too shallow? it looked to me like it was halfway up KP's head and that his arm was in his cheek. i was surprised when he tapped.
fuuuuuuuck.....
so I just finished watching this. Here's my story.
I got to the Venetian like at 4:30, my intentions were to get there earlier but I guess it worked out. By the time I got to the book, I was ready to bet $540 on Guida $500 on Pellegrino, $100 on Gray, $100 on Boetsch, $200 on Johnson and $200 on Lauzon.
Unfortunately when I got there they were unaware that the fights started at 4 pm pacific so they canceled the betting because they weren't aware that the fights weren't airing or something, it pissed me off. Anyway I only got to make a $200 bet on Joe Lauzon who I now know lost. So sick he had the first round for sure, and I think he protected himself insanely well while mounted, I don't think the stoppage was legit considering hardly any of the punches went through and he had shown that he was able to get away from the mount. Anyway that was that. I still think I would have lost some money on the card if I had bet the whole thing. I wasn't betting the Houston fight but I was surprised by Irvin, you guys were right and I was way off but my mistake was that I somehow forgot Irvin had that knee vs Terry Martin or whatever his name is, I thought he'd start out slow and get KO'd. I think the stoppage was legit there.
As for the rest of the fights, I was right about diaz, he's just too crafty on the ground and he's real good on his back even if Pellegrino was winning I still think Nate was a fav. That said I think getting +250 on Pellegrino was HUGE value which is why I was gonna bet big on him.
Matt Hammil is awesome I like the dude a lot, glad he won.
Gray, there's no way he was a dog in this fight, evemoney at best, he's got some legit talent and trains with a sicko team.
I don't know how guida did, anyone know?
and Johnson looked SICK, like I said before he was HUGE value in this fight, Tommy Speer sucks imo.
I'm just pissed Joe didn't win, I thought one of those heel hooks was gonna end it. Sigh.
(watching TUF right now, can't wait for this season.)
so I just finished watching this. Here's my story.
I got to the Venetian like at 4:30, my intentions were to get there earlier but I guess it worked out. By the time I got to the book, I was ready to bet $540 on Guida $500 on Pellegrino, $100 on Gray, $100 on Boetsch, $200 on Johnson and $200 on Lauzon.
Unfortunately when I got there they were unaware that the fights started at 4 pm pacific so they canceled the betting because they weren't aware that the fights weren't airing or something, it pissed me off. Anyway I only got to make a $200 bet on Joe Lauzon who I now know lost. So sick he had the first round for sure, and I think he protected himself insanely well while mounted, I don't think the stoppage was legit considering hardly any of the punches went through and he had shown that he was able to get away from the mount. Anyway that was that. I still think I would have lost some money on the card if I had bet the whole thing. I wasn't betting the Houston fight but I was surprised by Irvin, you guys were right and I was way off but my mistake was that I somehow forgot Irvin had that knee vs Terry Martin or whatever his name is, I thought he'd start out slow and get KO'd. I think the stoppage was legit there.
As for the rest of the fights, I was right about diaz, he's just too crafty on the ground and he's real good on his back even if Pellegrino was winning I still think Nate was a fav. That said I think getting +250 on Pellegrino was HUGE value which is why I was gonna bet big on him.
Matt Hammil is awesome I like the dude a lot, glad he won.
Gray, there's no way he was a dog in this fight, evemoney at best, he's got some legit talent and trains with a sicko team.
I don't know how guida did, anyone know?
and Johnson looked SICK, like I said before he was HUGE value in this fight, Tommy Speer sucks imo.
I'm just pissed Joe didn't win, I thought one of those heel hooks was gonna end it. Sigh.
(watching TUF right now, can't wait for this season.)
CLAY GUIDA VS. SAMY SCHIAVO
ROUND 1 -- A slow start as the fighters access the situation. Guida is patient as Schiavo lets his hands fly and throws quick combinations. Guida waits for an opening and then scores the takedown. Guida then easily takes the mount position. While in the dominant position, Guida delivers short punches and elbows. The barrage continues with big left punches before the ref finally steps in to halt the fight. Clay Guida def. Samy Schiavo via TKO (strikes) -- Round 1, 4:15.
(from mmaJUNKIE.com)
ROUND 1 -- A slow start as the fighters access the situation. Guida is patient as Schiavo lets his hands fly and throws quick combinations. Guida waits for an opening and then scores the takedown. Guida then easily takes the mount position. While in the dominant position, Guida delivers short punches and elbows. The barrage continues with big left punches before the ref finally steps in to halt the fight. Clay Guida def. Samy Schiavo via TKO (strikes) -- Round 1, 4:15.
(from mmaJUNKIE.com)
QUOTE (navybuttons @ Thursday, April 3rd, 2008, 4:03 AM)
my question: did anyone else think diaz's triangle was too shallow? it looked to me like it was halfway up KP's head and that his arm was in his cheek. i was surprised when he tapped.
I thought it was deep as shit, but then again I probably don't know as much as you. I thought it was deep before he locked the foot in, and I think nate knew that as well otherwise he wouldn't have celebrated early. Which btw, was hilarious imo.
QUOTE (Actuary @ Thursday, April 3rd, 2008, 4:20 AM)
CLAY GUIDA VS. SAMY SCHIAVO
ROUND 1 -- A slow start as the fighters access the situation. Guida is patient as Schiavo lets his hands fly and throws quick combinations. Guida waits for an opening and then scores the takedown. Guida then easily takes the mount position. While in the dominant position, Guida delivers short punches and elbows. The barrage continues with big left punches before the ref finally steps in to halt the fight. Clay Guida def. Samy Schiavo via TKO (strikes) -- Round 1, 4:15.
(from mmaJUNKIE.com)
ROUND 1 -- A slow start as the fighters access the situation. Guida is patient as Schiavo lets his hands fly and throws quick combinations. Guida waits for an opening and then scores the takedown. Guida then easily takes the mount position. While in the dominant position, Guida delivers short punches and elbows. The barrage continues with big left punches before the ref finally steps in to halt the fight. Clay Guida def. Samy Schiavo via TKO (strikes) -- Round 1, 4:15.
(from mmaJUNKIE.com)
Sigh, I knew at -270 this was the best bet ever. I wish I had 270k to bet on it.
QUOTE (PrtyPSux @ Thursday, April 3rd, 2008, 1:14 AM)
fuuuuuuuck.....
so I just finished watching this. Here's my story.
I got to the Venetian like at 4:30, my intentions were to get there earlier but I guess it worked out. By the time I got to the book, I was ready to bet $540 on Guida $500 on Pellegrino, $100 on Gray, $100 on Boetsch, $200 on Johnson and $200 on Lauzon.
Unfortunately when I got there they were unaware that the fights started at 4 pm pacific so they canceled the betting because they weren't aware that the fights weren't airing or something, it pissed me off. Anyway I only got to make a $200 bet on Joe Lauzon who I now know lost. So sick he had the first round for sure, and I think he protected himself insanely well while mounted, I don't think the stoppage was legit considering hardly any of the punches went through and he had shown that he was able to get away from the mount. Anyway that was that. I still think I would have lost some money on the card if I had bet the whole thing. I wasn't betting the Houston fight but I was surprised by Irvin, you guys were right and I was way off but my mistake was that I somehow forgot Irvin had that knee vs Terry Martin or whatever his name is, I thought he'd start out slow and get KO'd. I think the stoppage was legit there.
As for the rest of the fights, I was right about diaz, he's just too crafty on the ground and he's real good on his back even if Pellegrino was winning I still think Nate was a fav. That said I think getting +250 on Pellegrino was HUGE value which is why I was gonna bet big on him.
Matt Hammil is awesome I like the dude a lot, glad he won.
Gray, there's no way he was a dog in this fight, evemoney at best, he's got some legit talent and trains with a sicko team.
I don't know how guida did, anyone know?
and Johnson looked SICK, like I said before he was HUGE value in this fight, Tommy Speer sucks imo.
I'm just pissed Joe didn't win, I thought one of those heel hooks was gonna end it. Sigh.
(watching TUF right now, can't wait for this season.)
so I just finished watching this. Here's my story.
I got to the Venetian like at 4:30, my intentions were to get there earlier but I guess it worked out. By the time I got to the book, I was ready to bet $540 on Guida $500 on Pellegrino, $100 on Gray, $100 on Boetsch, $200 on Johnson and $200 on Lauzon.
Unfortunately when I got there they were unaware that the fights started at 4 pm pacific so they canceled the betting because they weren't aware that the fights weren't airing or something, it pissed me off. Anyway I only got to make a $200 bet on Joe Lauzon who I now know lost. So sick he had the first round for sure, and I think he protected himself insanely well while mounted, I don't think the stoppage was legit considering hardly any of the punches went through and he had shown that he was able to get away from the mount. Anyway that was that. I still think I would have lost some money on the card if I had bet the whole thing. I wasn't betting the Houston fight but I was surprised by Irvin, you guys were right and I was way off but my mistake was that I somehow forgot Irvin had that knee vs Terry Martin or whatever his name is, I thought he'd start out slow and get KO'd. I think the stoppage was legit there.
As for the rest of the fights, I was right about diaz, he's just too crafty on the ground and he's real good on his back even if Pellegrino was winning I still think Nate was a fav. That said I think getting +250 on Pellegrino was HUGE value which is why I was gonna bet big on him.
Matt Hammil is awesome I like the dude a lot, glad he won.
Gray, there's no way he was a dog in this fight, evemoney at best, he's got some legit talent and trains with a sicko team.
I don't know how guida did, anyone know?
and Johnson looked SICK, like I said before he was HUGE value in this fight, Tommy Speer sucks imo.
I'm just pissed Joe didn't win, I thought one of those heel hooks was gonna end it. Sigh.
(watching TUF right now, can't wait for this season.)
Pellegrino was dominating Nate the entire fight, he just got very sloppy on that slam and left his head in too deep. I thought he had the fight won when he was pounding on Nate with his arm trapped in the 1st. Regardless, Nate's got a sick triangle and one of the best guards around.
I think Boetsch just flat out gassed like a lotta fighters on the card tonight. That Denver air is certainly no joke and lots of fighters didn't look like themselves today.
Edgar looked gassed out there as well and I was pretty surprised he wasn't pushing the pace out there. He still had some good transitions, but it looked like Gray was just too strong for him, which I think was the case. Gray looked huge in there compared to Edgar and that wasn't something I factored in so much before the fight, but it turned out to be huge.
That Johnson KO was amazing. I knew he was going to light up Speer if he could stuff his takedowns, which he did easily. He's a very good athlete and quick with heavy hands. He's going to be a contender at 170 if he keeps getting better.
I was real pissed that Joe lost as well. He definitely won that 1st Round and I think he just got tired out there, which is why he gave up the takedown without a sprawl even and got his guard passed. That stoppage sucked in my opinion, those were pitter patter shots that Florian was throwing and nothing was really landing. I can see why the fight was stopped, but I still don't agree with it. Joe didn't have a single mark on his face. I also don't get why they restarted the fight on the feet when Joe got the takedown in the 1st and got elbowed in the back of the head. I still can't stand Kenny, because he tried to make it seem like he beat Joe up, but that obviously wasn't the case. I'm also sick of his stupid elbows that he throws to cut fighters rather than hurt them. It was pretty unimpressive for Florian to have mount for a good 2 minutes and do absolutely no damage.
The Karo stoppage was also bad. Karo had his hands up defending himself eventhough he did get rocked hard by that knee. They should have let that continue. I only like the stoppage when the fighter has their hands to the side and head rolled back, that wasn't the case here.
dbl post
Some intersting fights tonight.
The one thing that stands out his how many times Nate Diaz was getting hit in the face and the ref did nothing, whereas they stopped the Karo fight. Again, I'm biased here. I don't really like Karo. But I think he is tremendously talented, and I would like to see him fight top level competition. Obviously this loss will slow that process once again.
Rampage on TUF was hillarious. Some of it was intentional obv. But the guy is just funny.
The one thing that stands out his how many times Nate Diaz was getting hit in the face and the ref did nothing, whereas they stopped the Karo fight. Again, I'm biased here. I don't really like Karo. But I think he is tremendously talented, and I would like to see him fight top level competition. Obviously this loss will slow that process once again.
Rampage on TUF was hillarious. Some of it was intentional obv. But the guy is just funny.
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