That pissed me off, I watched a hour and 1/2 of Dana White working out to hear that the gaming commission is pissed, worst program ever. And Tito is a little bitch.

Whats bugging me is why UFC would air this show in the first place. All it does is make Tito look bad. Why would they go out of their way to make one of their best stars look bad ? Tito posted on his site that he wanted a piece of the action if Dana was going to market it as a PPV. Apparently UFC would make money and Tito wasn't going to get paid at all. He claims he backed out because he didn't want to do it for free and was concerned he could get hurt. It seems Dana White still has a hate on for Tito. I don't understand how Tito could be so stupid as to think he could back out and not look bad.

If that's the case, then Tito certainly has a valid point imo, though he definitely should have addressed this a long time ago. No showing for the weigh in was a pussy move.

But the whole point was that he added this to his new contract because he legitimately wanted to make Dana White a punching bag. He finally got his chance after a very uneasy road through the gaming commission etc, and now he is going to back out because of money? Thats bullshit.

I'd say Tito lost much of the fire.
He softer now and probably cared less to beat up Dana.


my hypothesis

I think it made them all look like idiots.

I am glad the next "ppv" is free because I can really only get excited about one fight. Assuerio Silva vs Cheick Kongo.
Sure Cro Cop and Bisping are on the card, but I really cant get all that excited about 2 fights where it appears the competition is outgunned.

You think Jenna is making Tito soft Actuary?

Odd, since she usually has the exact opposite effect on guys....

I chaulk it up to maturity.

Aslo, the mentoring he does for so many fighters now and the TUF coaching.... all gave him more respect for the sport and less cause to be a rebel.

how do I know this?

just talking out of my ***.
Seems plausible.

btw, I watched the last UFC and never heard anything about Tito and Rashad getting into it.
I do sometimes miss the old old live UFC's where the did not edit the time between fights... an were much less polished.

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Steve Mazzagotti is horrenddous, yes?

I dunno, with all that work shes had done on her face she has dropped way down my list of porn stars I'd like to pound relentlessly.

he is still better than Herb "early stoppage" Dean

and Jadaki, no doubt on her dropping way down on the list after all of her surgery..

ha, this is true, but have you seen the fights he's officiated since that one? I swear he's gonna let somebody kill another fighter if he keeps trying to make up for it. ain't nobody gonna beat big john though, we all know that.


and I completely agree with actuary on the old ufc and not editing between fights. in all honesty, I didn't even watch it when they did that, I'm really new to it, but I would love to see all of it, from the start to finish. I don't need no glitz and glamor. if anything, why can't they at least play all the preliminary fights? nobody watches after the main event anyways (I'm too drunk and usually too surprised at the upset, the way things have gone recently), and if people don't want to tune in at 8 est, they don't have to. but I want to see them all damn it.


oh well, free ufc this saturday. freaking christmas in, um, whatever month this is.

I want to see this Corey Hill guy fight on TUF5, he cracks me the hell up so I want to see if he is just as crazy in the octagon as he is when he is training. Last nights fight was pretty good though.

OMG OMG OMG>>......UFC 70

CroCop got knocked the fk OUT by a SICCCCCCCK head kick from Gabriel Gonzaga.

I wonder if his leg got messed up at all, he seemed to be standing under his own power.

you know I shouldnt of opened this thread thinking someone wouldnt put a spoiler in it. I live in Oregon where I am just now watching the 3rd round of the Arlovski fight.
PLease put SPOILER ALERT on posts like these please.

you are really dumb to open this thread, then.

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UFC is AMAZING lately.

except the standing them up when "no action". Gonzaga was staying active.
He made it look too easy.

I'm a big Crocop fan so that was hard to stomach, one of the most brutal KOs I have ever seen. This year has been ridiculous, Serra beating GSP, Sokoudjou beating Rogerio and Arona and now this... I guess it sets up Crocop for a fight with Sylvia.

I had no idea this thread existed until today...good stuff!!!

This was the 2nd most brutal KO I have seen in MMA since I have been watching. (2nd only to the "power bomb" slam Rampage threw on Arroyo [sp]) The fact that he KO'd Cro Cop w/ the same type of kick that made Cro Cop so famous was crazy. Also, there had to be a ton of damage to his leg after the way he fell. Now, a guy who is more familiar w/ MMA than me says because he got knocked cold, his joints etc. just go limp. So he may not have hurt his knee or ankle nearly as bad as it looked. I call bullshIIIIT! That knee is dislocated at worst and looks more like he had to tear something. The ankle for SURE has to be busted in some way. I will be SHOCKED if we find out that he didn't suffer any serious damage to either. Between the sheer force of that kick and the way Cro Cop went down afterwards made this a truly sik sik sik KO. I mean...Cro Cop didn't MOVE for like 3 or 4 minutes afterwards. Usually they get these guys sitting up and somewhat back on this planet within a few minutes. He was completely out for a scary amount of time.

Also...did anyone catch his postfight interview? I think this is the kind of fight that ends careers. After taking a beating at the hands of the Monster Kevin Randalman, there had to be a little doubt in Cro Cop's mind as a fighter. Now after this...I will be surprised if we hear from Cro Cop again. Between the injury's he likely suffered to his leg and the mental damage done...I think we can stick a fork in Cro Cop....he's done!

Here's the KO if anyone missed it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCe_HD4WKJw

(mods...I am not sure we can post links...if we can't I apologize!!!)

We will see Cro Cop again. Frank Mir came back from having his femur broken in a motorcycle accident. Tim Sylvia had his arm broken in several places in a fight and they are both fighting. Anyone who thinks Cro Cop will not fight again just doesn't understand MMA.

And to all that regularly post in this thread, I apologize for overlooking Gonzaga in this fight. He definately looks like he is going to give Coture one heck of a run for that title.

I am interested to see what everyone thinks of Bisbing. ANyoen with any insight into what his chances are? What happens if he runs into an excellent striker? Who do you think is up next for him? Tito, Liddell, Eastman, Rampage? Hopefully he wont press forward throwing wildly like he did against Elvis.


oh yeah, Actuary, does Mazzagatti look a little like a pedophile with that mustache of his or what?

Now...I am not the foremost expert on MMA, but I think I "understand" the sport pretty well. I think the COMBINATION of his injury's likely suffered ALONG WITH the mental apsect of this beating and we likely won't see him again. Don't forget...this is his 2nd brutal KO loss now. I think a guy like Cro Cop...a guy who was a major player in the world of MMA, just doens't have that mental edge needed now. Take a bad beating once...I think you can come back from that. Get absolutely DESTROYED 2x in your last 3-4 fights, while you are moving down the contenders ladder? How do you metally come back from that? Throw in the months of rehab he will have to endure if indeed he tore the knee or ankle ligaments....

Again...I'll gladly eat crow here if I am wrong because I love to watch Cro Cop fight. That being said, I just don't see it happening. Again...see if you can get his postfight interview w/ Joe Rogan. Joe says 2 or 3 times something to the affect of "Who do you fight now...where do u go from here?" type questions. Usually these guys are like "I'll get back to training and come back harder and more prepared" or something along those lines. Cro Cop's didn't say anything that would remotely lead you to believe he's getting back in there again. I hope I am wrong, but I get a feeling I'm not.

*starts eating crow now*

Here is an interview I found today...

It didn't take long since last night's defeat for speculations to arise whether Gonzaga's hick-kick ended Mirko's career aswell. But to our question whether he'll continue fighting after this Cro Cop answered: "Of, course, I will fullfil the contract, I have 4 more fights to go."

That being said by the man himself...I will believe it when I see him step in the ring again.

knockouts like that - and ironically it was not on PPV - is what makes some Senators want to ban this sport.

Sick Sick.

It doesn't look like Cro Cop has enough tools to be a TOP HW. Of course, Silvia was the champion. (ala during a week HW period)
It's always easy to criticize after a loss though.
He's being outstruck and his ground game is always vulnerable

Frank Mir came back? Not with the same ability, strength, or drive.

Getting beat bad does a thing to fighters

Randy Coture is special in his ability to persist
Losing on your way up adds motivation, losing at the top against all TOP opponents and unheralded underdogs, can excellerate your downfall.

Added:

Cro Cop is a boring interview too. If W division gets full and deep, his chance to get the top fights will deteriorate. Again, there are just so many fighters and Dana continues to have plenty of filler fights on every card, that it's hard for any fighter to get multiple opportunities to fight for the belt. Add to that BORING.

which leads me to Arvloski
Yeah he's great against bad opponents.

Wow that kick was nasty. I couldn't believe it. I thought cro cop would dominate. But like someone said earlier anyone can win on any given day.

IT IS ALLLLLLLLLLLLL OVER!!!


That kick was disgusting

so about that submission Bigsby tolerated..

I can't watch those.

Aside from Renzo? Gracie, has anyone broken their arm in a televised MMA event?

"I was prepared to die in there"

shut up.

hi all.... sorry about bugging some of you.. that was totally unessacary and uncool... i would like to be apart of this forum as i am a huge mma nut and once again apologize.

for those of you i bugged that website is mma-tv.net all you have to do is register and ur set, all live fights for free. I suggest donating ( min $5 ) to the site for the premium 500 k stream, makes a huge diff..

so hopefully i will see u guys around

THAT KICK WAS F'ING AWESOME!

(PLEASE DONT BAN ME AGAIN IF IM NOT ALLOWED TO POST SUCH THINGS PLZ JUST DELETE!!!! JUST TRYING TO HELP!)

ROFLMAOLOLZERBEAMZ!!!ELEVENBBQ!!@@@

Tim Sylvia had his arm broken in a PPV event. I am pretty sure it was Arlovski that broke it. Ref stoppage.. Sylvia didnt want to tap. You could see the bones break, ala Theismans leg break. it was awesome. I cant recall one that you didnt have to pay to see.

also, in the line of best KOs ever, Rich Franklin making Nate Quarry's legs twitch is one that sticks with me.

yep. Tim Silvia. It was Frank Mir, by the way, back when he looked unbeatable. But yep, thanks for that visual
And, as I watch the IFL tonight, I'm reminded: Feel free to TAP! in the triangle. Well, unless you just go out to fast.
I've had my shoulder dislocated, on multiple occassions It is very painful. These guys like Fedor and Gracie who will never tap, arrggg, make it hard to watch.

Along those lines, that knockout by Jens Pulver on John Lewis .. oh my.... When John hits, it seems his shoulder pops and as he regains consciousness, he can't pop it back in to help himself up/keep balance. It's tough to watch.

Anyone who has ever dislocated their shoulder will agree!

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The Arlovski fight was beyond boring. You know a fight sucks when the ref says that he's gonna take a point from the "first guy that retreats" WTF is that? Yes, it was insanely boring, but can a ref create his own rules to try and get some action going?? If they want to stand in and dance around for 3 rounds, what's to stop them??

We completely agree!


- Diego Sanchez and Josh Koscheck

I looooooved MazzigGotti's "No Talking!"
And by loooved, I mean, "huh?"

UFC refs should know their role

I just saw the Cro Cop Fight, I was going to watch it but ended up going out and drinking myself and my imaginary friend under the table.

I think he can full come back from this loss. I don't know much about the other fighter but wasn't he an underdog? Cro Cop dropped his hands and that's the only reason the kick landed...I think rehab, if taken in the correct mind frame will do wonders for him because it will give him that competitive edge of needing to get back in there and prove he's not over!

btw first post in the MMA thread...think i might stop by more regularly!

Ira

CroCop didn't look very impressive even before the kick landed. He was getting worked over pretty good on the ground, and I'd guess he was already behind in points. I don't think he was "that" much of an underdog though, the commentators were ALL saying "don't be surprised if this turns in to a fight here - it's not going to be a CroCop walk"...

I think Cro Cop went off as a 6-1 favorite.

IF Cheick follows Rogan's advice and works solely on his ground game for the next year, he could become quite a fearsome hwt.

correct -- Crocop -600, Gonzaga was +450 or so, depending on the sportsbook.

Cheick sure is impressive in standup game, has potential to improve but will take a long time to be a threat on the ground.

Looking forward to Rampage vs Liddell May 26th, I think Chuck will be a solid favorite in the books and I will probably bet Rampage because of it.

you ain't freaking kidding

bad idea.

Rampage is old Pride.

At least for awhile, and certainly this fight, Dana will dictate that UFC reigns supreme.

He slammed Ricardo Arona at Pride Critical Countdown. If he can somehow channel the same fighter he was before his first TKO loss to Wanderlei, I think we could be in for a very entertaining evening in his match versus Chuck.

someone sell me the UFC (73?) which HEADLINE Rich Franklin vs, probably a great fighter-that-I-don't-recall, in Ireland

There are too many fights to be had. Hopefully Dana stuffs the undercard hard.

with all due respect Actuary, Chuck is 38 and not known for stellar cardio, and the total domination by Rampage in the first fight was staggering. Not 1 lucky punch or kick, but 13 minutes (if I remember correctly) of pure ***-whoopin. Maybe when the line comes out we can get a friendly side-wager going

maybe Cro Cop should've been more respectful and touched gloves.

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Ol'number7,

No disrespect taken. I'm not arguing Chucks talent, just Dana's pull and desire

wow........

either way.. i think Tito's career is over if he wins his next fight or not

"im going to make rashad my nappy headed hoe on 7/7/07"

honestly.. wtf was he thinking? Sportsman ship and hype for a fight is one thing.

this is just ****ed.

I cant wait for there fight when joe calls Tito an ignorant piece of **** in front of the whole world

after looking at the card so far for this event, I can't honestly say I am excited at all.
Franklin vs Martin Kampmann might be good
Rory Singer vs Jason MacDonald wtf?
Scott Smith vs Ed Herman hmm.. Ed gets beat up again?

Actuary, I'm w/ Shake and #7 here. Rampage beat the ever loving piss out of Chuck in their fight in Pride. At the end of the fight, you could tell Liddell wanted to quit but just took the beating until the ref finally stopped it...he was a very whipped fighter.



TY...thought I spelled it wrong and of course I did! Wanderlei is a different type of fighter than Chuck and his style gave Rampage trouble. Rampage matches up stylistically better w/ Chuck than most fighters. Also...Chuck isn't known for his ground and pound w/ elbows etc., so the UFC vs. Pride rules should play almost no factor. Unlike the CroCop fight, where Mirko ADMITS he didn't train enough to defend vs. elbows and NEVER EVEN TRAINED IN A CAGE LEADING UP TO THE FIGHT!!!! (How???? I mean...a ring and a cage are TOTALLY different...how could he not prepare for that????) I am looking forward to this fight and I get a feeling I will be wagering w/ several FCPers on Rampage that day.

1. Why isn't there "fast reply" on all forums?

2. I watched "Fight Science" last night. It covered several of the martial arts. Made me wonder why Kung Fu, Drunken Fighting (think Jackie Chan), or Ninjitsu never caught on in the Octagon.

Kinda serious. They made it look so threatening.

Dana White was on the Ferrall show tonight, fyi if anyone can catch the replay on Sirius. Nothing major as far as announcements, but that guy is cool shit.