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Hes a LAG player

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with A Q
Hero raises to $3.5, 4 folds, BB calls.


Flop: 2 2 A ($7.5, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $7.5, BB calls.


Turn: 3 ($22.5, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $19, BB calls.


River: J ($60.5, 2 players)
BB is all-in $51.5,

Hero does what?

I would fold here. There are a lot of hands that have you beaten - AK, AJ, 2 hearts, or even A2/A3/33 because you said he's LAG, and you're really only beating a bluff.

You said LAG, but do you have any specific examples? Is he prone to bluffing? Does c/c with draws or made hands more often?


Without any of that info, it's a fold if you're not staying at the table forever. DrawingDead would say it's a call if for nothing else besides info and to let him know you're going to look him up when he gets aggressive.

Sucks if he made his hand on the turn or river, considering you're betting the pot every time.

I agree. Made his hand. Show the restraint to get off the TP 2nd Kicker.

Fold.

Dude made his flush. Get out.

75% fold 25% call

we'll definitely need a lot more information then just LAG on the player you're up against... do you have any notes on the guy? How LAGgy is he? A call with A2 out of position doesn't make sense to most intelligent players. You're probably good on the flop and turn, but the river card was decently bad. A little tip maybe... ask yourself why you needed to bet so much on the flop and turn? Was it really necessary to do a full size pot bet on the flop? $5 would've been just as good as $7.25.. and then with a call... a $10 bet on the turn would've done the same for you as a $19 bet. With the pot so much smaller... a fast all-in looks much more like a bluff... but it depends how much you care about looking him up or not. I think the decision would've been much more definitive as well with more information.

This is online poker. This is a LAG player. His range is much wider than exactly 2 hearts. Posts like these are worthless, do you seriously think this is a flush 100% of every time a hand like this happens?

I figure he's just as likely to have A2/K2suited here. You'll see a lot of people "slowplaying" this way OOP --- by check/calling the flop and turn and pushing the river. The only thing you beat here is a bluff, unless this player is silly enough to think that AT is a good enough hand to go all in with hoping for a call.

Think of it this way. That bet either wants a call (you're beat) or doesn't want a call (total bluff, or maybe some sort of minor coordination with the board such as 34. I just don't see this being a bluff enough.

And if it's in between wanting a call and a fold, that's great. If it's anything you'd regret folding to if he shows, you'll find an easy spot to get this guy's money.

This is an instance where I believe it's a flush. Why call the previous bets? Why not raise you on those bets? Why suddenly push and risk the entire stack on the turn? Even for a LAG, that push in light of the previous calls raises a red flag. Why would he push with air on a stone cold bluff? I've had to get burned in a few of these exact same situations to learn that a LAG isn't always bluffing when he pushes on the turn.

You really believe the hero has the hand won if he calls, Sefaje?

you can make this call...him calling the turn bet is weird...as most flush draws dump here cause they know that you know if they just call then they will be put on a flush draw and probably wont get paid off on the river if they hit (esp. if he thinks u are a good player and can fold)

however, since he called, and then does that move on the river, i think you can make the call, and you'll either pick off him bluffing, or a weird hand like A2, or 33.

i really dont think it's a flush here..he could have 'slow played' a str8, or something weird like that as well...

i think most guys would shovel that turn that are truly lag, as opposed to calling with just a flush draw.

just my experiences.

- Jordan

Standard fold unless you have evidence that he is bluffing alot here, which i highly doubt. You beat absolutely nothing legitimate that mkaes this bet and you need to consider what he was calling your pot sized bets with on the flop and the turn. As played, this is a bluff less than 10% of the timeand you have a clear fold.

Ok. Im not quite ready to give away what i did on the river or who won the hand but here are some things that may help.

First, I was 7 tabling at the time so I was heavily relying on PAHUD for my read. At the time i do remember him being closer to LAP than LAG, but PT has him as LAG.

I was playing my usual laggy style (My average VPIP is around 28-30 in six max). At the time I was giving him credit for this: Plays pretty well but plays too many hands OOP, understands hand values.

I put him on AJ or AT on the flop, a hand that he would call my raise with preflop without reraising... and a hand he would call a flop bet with considering I c-bet 95% of flops with any two (Im still UTG so if hes a thinking player he has to give me some credit).

I bet 19 into 21 on the turn. Why? Im hoping to get a tag-along with AJ or maybe a flush draw. At this point I can almost certainly count out a flopped set of dueces because he would likely reraise me, AK would have said "hello" preflop, or on the flop at worst. SO.... the question is, what kind of odds do i give? Ive been playing LAG betting close to pot alot of the time so I figure to do the same hoping he figures me for a double barrel bluff. AT THIS POINT MY GUT TELLS ME AJ

The J of hearts comes on the river giving me a tough decision, he hit every draw i put him on... and insta shoves the river. What can i beat? I was thinking on the turn "No Jack, pair the board" then im likely willing to go broke with it.

Also Jordan- You kinda act like your a break even player but you dont think like one, you may have what it takes... work harder (just trying to be constructive)

I gotta say you are going to be beat a lot more often than you are going to call and win here, the flush got there you also can't beat AJ, which is what I think the villian has honestly.

Give me a hand that he is calling you with and then pushing the river like that? Ax maybe but seems silly, there is no draw to bluff other than the flush draw. You say you are 7 tabling? this is not the sort of call you should be making when 7 tabling, you want to push big edges not make marginal calls with a slight read... My .02

I'm not a break even player...I'm living off my winnings right now actually.

I dropped 15k (11k poker, 4k from fines) the last few months...but w/e. I'm still ok. Gotten over that.

As for poker, i'm not playing nearly as much as I used to. I'm putting myself into other things, really. And this whole online poker thing getting owned, sux.

- Jordan

I was wasted when i posted and I dont know alot about your results. I respect your opinion and like what you contribute, thats why i said that

I folded this river and and he showed 77

Then take a note that this player will bluff big when the flush draw gets there. Because 77 is a total bluff. That's why he showed it. Be glad

You'll have no trouble destroying him. Tell us you detroyed him over the next 100 hands.

eh, most people on this site will tell you to fold here in this spot...and usually they may be right...idk..i just probably think differently at times.

idk, happens.

- Jordan

I now own his russian bride and car