PokerStars Game #8207761255: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/01/31 - 02:48:30 (ET)
Table 'Maja IV' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: stella500 ($52.65 in chips)
Seat 2: JustFoldFish ($56.50 in chips)
Seat 3: jfreels ($57.50 in chips)
Seat 4: ,.eiEie., ($18.75 in chips)
Seat 5: erocdaparty ($116.15 in chips)
Seat 6: Revolver_O ($114.70 in chips)
erocdaparty: posts small blind $0.25
Revolver_O: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to erocdaparty [Ks Kh]
stella500: folds
JustFoldFish: raises $1.50 to $2
jfreels: folds
,.eiEie.,: folds
erocdaparty: raises $5 to $7
Revolver_O: raises $17 to $24
JustFoldFish: folds
erocdaparty: ?????????

With the action as it is I wasn't sure if I wanted to call, raise, or fold. Only range of hands i could think of are QQ maybe, KK huge stretch, and most likely Ak or AA. Do you guys fold this, raise all in, call and see a flop? I hate this situation because if i call and the board comes all low i probably call my stack off to AA, if i reraise in im most likely losing to AA, and if i fold i never know.....Input?

Yuch. That is a time I would think heavily about folding the KK. Any reads?

6 handed at .25/.50 I'm not folding this.

No. This is not a fold. This is a shovel.

There would have to be somebody at that table that I had mad respect for for me to lay down KK. Push it all in and let the cards fall.

Been only sitting at the table for 20 minutes maybe, and had gotten my money all in two hands in a row with 24 lol so my image is loose and willing to gamble. Here are those hands.

PokerStars Game #8207598425: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/01/31 - 02:24:58 (ET)
Table 'Maja IV' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Kid Caïd ($59.55 in chips)
Seat 2: JustFoldFish ($52.05 in chips)
Seat 4: thawoksta ($40.15 in chips)
Seat 5: erocdaparty ($39.50 in chips)
Seat 6: Revolver_O ($87.20 in chips)
JustFoldFish: posts small blind $0.25
thawoksta: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to erocdaparty [2s 4s]
erocdaparty: calls $0.50
Revolver_O: raises $2 to $2.50
Kid Caïd: calls $2.50
JustFoldFish: folds
thawoksta: calls $2
erocdaparty: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [2h 7s Ks]
thawoksta: checks
erocdaparty: checks
Revolver_O: checks
Kid Caïd: bets $4.50
thawoksta: calls $4.50
erocdaparty: raises $16 to $20.50
Revolver_O: folds
Kid Caïd: folds
thawoksta: raises $17.15 to $37.65 and is all-in
erocdaparty: calls $16.50 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [2h 7s Ks] [5c]
*** RIVER *** [2h 7s Ks 5c] [Th]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
thawoksta: shows [Js Kc] (a pair of Kings)
erocdaparty: mucks hand
thawoksta collected $86.75 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $88.75 | Rake $2
Board [2h 7s Ks 5c Th]
Seat 1: Kid Caïd (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: JustFoldFish (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: thawoksta (big blind) showed [Js Kc] and won ($86.75) with a pair of Kings
Seat 5: erocdaparty mucked [2s 4s]
Seat 6: Revolver_O folded on the Flop



PokerStars Game #8207611190: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/01/31 - 02:26:43 (ET)
Table 'Maja IV' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Kid Caïd ($52.55 in chips)
Seat 2: JustFoldFish ($51.80 in chips)
Seat 4: thawoksta ($87.40 in chips)
Seat 5: erocdaparty ($50 in chips)
Seat 6: Revolver_O ($84.70 in chips)
thawoksta: posts small blind $0.25
erocdaparty: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to erocdaparty [2s 4s]
Revolver_O: raises $1.50 to $2
jfreels joins the table at seat #3
Kid Caïd: folds
erocdaparty said, "wow KJ"
JustFoldFish: folds
thawoksta: calls $1.75
erocdaparty: calls $1.50
*** FLOP *** [5s Ts 9s]
thawoksta: bets $5
erocdaparty: raises $17.50 to $22.50
Revolver_O: folds
thawoksta: raises $62.90 to $85.40 and is all-in
erocdaparty: calls $25.50 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [5s Ts 9s] [Qd]
*** RIVER *** [5s Ts 9s Qd] [9c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
thawoksta: shows [As Td] (two pair, Tens and Nines)
erocdaparty: shows [2s 4s] (a flush, Ten high)
erocdaparty collected $100 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $102 | Rake $2
Board [5s Ts 9s Qd 9c]
Seat 1: Kid Caïd folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: JustFoldFish (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: thawoksta (small blind) showed [As Td] and lost with two pair, Tens and Nines
Seat 5: erocdaparty (big blind) showed [2s 4s] and won ($100) with a flush, Ten high
Seat 6: Revolver_O folded on the Flop

My read on revolver: he was playing fairly conservative and i didnt see him raise or play many pots without a big hand but thats all as i was only there for a short time.

Wow, trying to buy an image there? That must be some advanced thinking because I am definitely not on that level yet.

are people following me around lol.

I never fold KK preflop, There was a guy last night that played it exactly like that and he had 44 and someone else came along for the ride with KJ sooooooted.

At .25/.50, I would think this is 88-QQ, AJs+, as many times, in fact probably more often, than AA.

Hahaha ya i usually am trying to buy an image..Ill sit down play loose and really gamble and then tend to tighten down and let people make mistakes thinking I am still playing like that. But a rereraise preflop usually isnt anything other than AA KK or AK even if i have a lloooossseeeee image

At this level you are often up against an under pair here. So many people think they're racing with there 66-jj in this spot.

whats the point of buying an image that you dont know how to use?

what the hell you doing playing .25 / .50 :0.

in my opinion folding KK preflop is prty ez at higher stakes. I dont know how many times iv done it. i love the peeps that will never lay down KK preflop ecspecaily at 2/4 / 3/6 NL.

please go on........, if ur gonna make a statement like that be ready to back it up.

i think what he means is that you played those 24s hands so strongly and you obv have a laggy image so thus 99+ AK even AQs could easily make this reraise on you thus this is absolutely a 100% push with the image you have created.

i ended up calling.......and not reraise turned out he did have AA

PokerStars Game #8207761255: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/01/31 - 02:48:30 (ET)
Table 'Maja IV' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: stella500 ($52.65 in chips)
Seat 2: JustFoldFish ($56.50 in chips)
Seat 3: jfreels ($57.50 in chips)
Seat 4: ,.eiEie., ($18.75 in chips)
Seat 5: erocdaparty ($116.15 in chips)
Seat 6: Revolver_O ($114.70 in chips)
erocdaparty: posts small blind $0.25
Revolver_O: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to erocdaparty [Ks Kh]
stella500: folds
JustFoldFish: raises $1.50 to $2
jfreels: folds
,.eiEie.,: folds
erocdaparty: raises $5 to $7
Revolver_O: raises $17 to $24
JustFoldFish: folds
erocdaparty: calls $17
*** FLOP *** [9h 5s Kc]
erocdaparty: checks
Revolver_O: bets $30.50
erocdaparty: raises $61.65 to $92.15 and is all-in
Revolver_O: calls $60.20 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [9h 5s Kc] [5d]
*** RIVER *** [9h 5s Kc 5d] [Tc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
erocdaparty: shows [Ks Kh] (a full house, Kings full of Fives)
Revolver_O: mucks hand
erocdaparty collected $228.40 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $231.40 | Rake $3
Board [9h 5s Kc 5d Tc]
Seat 1: stella500 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: JustFoldFish folded before Flop
Seat 3: jfreels folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: ,.eiEie., (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: erocdaparty (small blind) showed [Ks Kh] and won ($228.40) with a full house, Kings full of Fives
Seat 6: Revolver_O (big blind) mucked [Ad Ac]

I just wanted to hear some other people's input the result really isnt what matters. I wanted to have the right thought process to this situation. So please no one go 'brag post' because in no means am i trying to brag about that little bit of money. I got lucky and hit a nice flop, I probably would have had to call all in or go allin myself had the board gone all unders.

Edit: IM not even sure I'd call if the board went all unders, so this is a bad play(calling 17 more) on my part that got lucky. I felt i was beat and i shouldve gotten away from it.

I am sorry but...

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krup pretty much nails it. That 2/4 play was horrible, particularly the first hand. To say you were "establishing an image" is just silly, especially since you mucked.

Then to even consider folding the KK hand pre-flop...?

To answer the original question, I'd shove.

But from what you've said here, you're really trying to get way too cute for your own good, I'd seriously suggest folding pre-deal.

In my mind, 3 bets preflop by 3 different people means I am beat. 1 bet = decent hand, 2 bets = big hand, 3 bets = monster, please go all in so I can take your money.

was just in a mood to call that 24 hand....and wow fold predeal, ur a funny guy. yawnnnnnn. "Id shove" , ya i just wanted to put some thought into geez dont be a dic.

...I just wish you'd put as much "thought" into this reply...

do u want to do this bickering thing cuz i really dont want to....im just gonna stop replying to u after this and u can feel like a big man. enjoy

Unless the stacks are 250bb++ and villian is known to be a rock who would never make this play with QQ or AK then i would never be folding KK preflop. This is an easy shobe with these stakes and even though you will be against AA some of the time, most of the time you will be against hands you have crushed. This becomes a more interesting question if you hold QQ instead of KK.

No way in hell you can fold this at this level and it's 6 handed. Even if you put him on QQ AA or AK, it's still profitable to call because you have him dominated 2/3 of the time. Do not lay down KK in a cash game IMO. Especially at this level. No brainer all in.

If you push preflop, the K does not come and you lose.

Just saying.

If you are trying to build the lag image and calling preflop raises with 24s...this is all more the reason to call with KK. That dude popping that re-raise on you is probably thinking..."he is reraising with crap", let me isolate him. In this case it was the wrong call, but at least it worked out for ya.