The Contender 10475043-96525 Holdem No Limit $0.25/$0.50
Hand Start.
Seat 1 : loswineknow has $19.81
Seat 3 : velm has $73.36
Seat 4 : bigdogg2490 has $51.35
Seat 5 : gilly321 has $24.50
Seat 6 : pokerboy888 has $96.31
Seat 7 : berkshyre has $21.72
Seat 8 : No_Neck has $67.47
Seat 9 : NvrSlowPlay has $105.59

NvrSlowPlay is the dealer.
loswineknow posted small blind.
velm posted big blind.

Seat 8 : No_Neck has 8 7
four folds, berkshyre called $0.50, No_Neck called $0.50, NvrSlowPlay folded, loswineknow called $0.25,
velm checked.


Dealing flop.
Board cards [4 3 9 ]
loswineknow checked, velm checked, berkshyre checked, No_Neck bet $1, loswineknow called $1, everyone else folds.


Dealing turn.
Board cards [4 3 9 4 ]

loswineknow checked, No_Neck bet $2, loswineknow called $2


Dealing river.
Board cards [4 3 9 4 2 ]
loswineknow checked, No_Neck bet $7, loswineknow called $7 and raised $9.31 and is All-in

No Neck?????


27.45/3.92/4.67 after like 50 hands.

I'm not folding this getting better than 2:1. If you questioned your hand C/C the river.

How has the villain been playing? How does he play his flush draws, call down or aggressive?

Personally I would be a little inclined to fold. The only draw he could have that hit and you beat is 56 for the straight or a lower flush. He might have slowplayed 2 pair on the flop (3,4 is a likely holding in the SB), and slowplayed even more on the turn.

Of course getting 3 to 1 to make the call, I'm not so sure if folding is the correct play in the long run. I'm interested in hearing what others, those who know what they're talking about, think about the situation.

how bout 4x?

No Neck asks the dealer to declare a string bet!

Seriously, you have just about the lowest Flush possible. There is a pair on the board. Not to mention a Straight Flush. Unless the Villan was playing a 5/6 chasing an OESD, this feels a little like A/5. I dunno - I think I make the crying call hoping that the 2 made the Villan's straight.

Given the line you took this is an easy call. No action on the flop, checked to you on the turn, and a check raise all-in when a scare card comes off. He'll turn over a straight, a random 4, or something really terrible often enough to show a profit. He has a flush when he beats you, which may end up being more than half the time, but not enough to make this a fold.

I agree with everyone's position here. Clear call based on the action throughout the hand and of course the price we are getting on the river. Without evidence that villian wouldnt make this move with a beat we beat i would not be folding getting 2-1.

Gotta call.

I count $2 + $2 + $4 + $7 + $7 + $9.31 = $31.30

$31.30 : $9.31 = 3.36 : 1

I point this out because I'm a math nit and also because I'd seriously consider a fold at 2:1, but I think think is a clear call at these odds.

Yah, that's a lot different than 2-1

Thanks for pointing that out. I did the odds in my head and got a little over 3 to 1. Then I saw everyone was saying 2:1, and I thought I was dumb.

Classic case of caving to peer pressure.

*shrug*. 3:1 is "better than 2:1", so I think Krup may have been making a more a general statement about the odds he would need to call.

Does anyone else think OP should have checked the turn? You definitely don't want to get checkraised on the turn, and no turn bet makes basically every river easier to play.

I agree with this. One of the advantages of playing in position if that we can exersize some pot control and also take off free cards when we are drawing and this hand would be a nice one to peel a free 1 off on the turn, especially since our draw isn't very strong and may cost us a bundle if we hit.

I think he gets a fold from a lot of drawing hands that have him beat by betting the turn. If the turn is a different card, I might like the check behind, but pairing the board strengthens our ability to bluff, having already represented some sort of made hand.

I agree that firing a bullet on the turn is a good idea in some situations, but the pot is pretty small I think (no pot sizes). If the pot were bigger, this would be an auto bet for me in many situations. There's like 8 big blinds in there. Firing is okay for metagame reasons which cannot be underestimated (always checking behind with draws on the turn is a way to get smoked like quiiiick), but if that's not your concern, it's really that interesting of a decision either way. I like betting because if it's close I just go ahead and bet to get the hand over with. But this board is pretty dry. Getting c/red here is kinda rare unless our opponent is slaughtering us, in which case our draw shrinks up.

Whatever. It's a style thing, I believe. I bet because that's where my money comes from. But the OP and the posters might play a different style. I think if we do bet, it should be 3 bucks, not 2 though. The closer we get to a pot-sized bet here, the better.

so what the heck happened?

he turned over Q8 of hearts.

Doesn't the hero have the 8 ?

Touche, I went back and checked the HH and he had Q9 of hearts, meh

I think I raise that flop all day. What do you think of the villain's play here?

Top pair with a heart redraw. He's not going ANYwhere.
The turn is the place to get this villain.

well honestly I think it can be played either way. You do have a great drawing hand, and you probably have the best hand now.

So you could raise and try to protect your hand, or you could just call hoping to get overcalls, and make a big pot. The key here is deciding what to do and then sticking with it, if your hearts do not come in and there are still 5 people in the hand, you really need to let it go.

I would raise because it fits more in with my style than calling...

you thoughts?

I mean that if I were the villain, I would raise with his hand.

I think I'll raise to 3 and call a reraise.

Liked your play, and I call his all-in raise. Yeah, he might have a nut flush draw, but maybe not, and maybe he nailed a straight. Maybe not even that: with $12 of his $19 already in the pot once the river hit, he just went for broke and crossed his fingers. You have a flush and, even if he turns over a higher flush, losing this pot won't break you the way it'll break him.