Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $15.70
UTG+1: $14.75
MP1: $42.55
MP2: $15.95
MP3: $34.55
CO: $5.40
Hero: $15.90
SB: $23.50
BB: $24.65

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is Button with [Qd] [Js]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, 4 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: [Kh] [Ts] [8d] ($1.85, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $1, UTG+1 raises to $2.5, Hero raises to $5, UTG+1 folds.
Uncalled bets: $2.5 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $6.85


I was reading somewhere the other day about a limit strategy where you three bet the flop with a draw to make it cheaper, ie, three small bets is less than two small bets and a big bet. I was playing this hand where this situation came up. Obviously it worked in this hand, but is it long term spew?

My 2DonkCents: Maybe, if you land at a tight table that'll let you do so. Thing is, a ) to play Captain Obvious a moment, the reason limit strategy is limit strategy is because in limit, the blinds never change, there are no antes and there's a cap on betting, so as things accelerate in NLHE tourneys, players often need to get aggressive to survive, and b ) once others at the table catch on that you're doing this, so long as they're reasonably stacked, they'll just raise higher to put you out of range of these plays. One basic tournament stratagem some practice to combat those betting on a draw is, when one has a made hand at the flop, to just make a pot sized bet at the flop, and push out players working on a draw since the pot odds usually won't be there to call.

Basically, if the table's tight and will let you do this, then I say go for it. But I wouldn't expect it.

this is cash, I'm avoiding tourneys for a long time as I play out of my bankroll too much.

I don't like it at all. You are offering 4.1:1 odds for the call.

If I have my maths correct, the only hand you price out is a gut shot.

i don't think he's talking about pricing anyone out. i think he's making this raise in order that he can check behind on the turn.

i don't like it, though i think it's an interesting idea. against a thinking/halfway decent opponent it would never work and long term it would be spew. if you were gonna use this play on me, you would be able to run it once, and only once.

you understand that it would be silly to three bet these amounts there with anything but this draw?

Opening action to an aggressor in no limit is more costly than it is in limit.

Considering he check raised you and then folded to a modest reraise he very likely had nothing and was bluffing, so I don't know that this hand provides the best example for this play. Ideally, if you really want to know you'd probably like to try it out against someone who has a some kind of hand to see how he reacts.

This should suffice as an explanation to the OP.

I think this is fairly obvious on second thoughts and it's obviously a long term losing play. I know if I got raised like this after checkraising, my next bet is going to be all in, so I don't think it would work.

Was a good resteal though lol.

The betting on the turn doesn't automatically double, so there's not much point. You might raise the flop with a draw, but for different reasons.