Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $5/$10
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Super Man! is UTG with Q A
Super Man! raises, 3 folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 2 5 9 (5SB, 2 players)
SB checks, Super Man! bets, SB calls.

Turn: 2 (3.5BB, 2 players)
SB checks, Super Man! bets, SB calls.

River: 3 (5.5BB, 2 players)
SB checks, Super Man! ?

this is a value bet, yes?

Bleh, it's like UBER thin if it is.

don't you think a 5 or 9 or trips check-raises me?

Probably, but that doesn't mean it's a bet.

For it to be a bet, at least one of two things has to happen:

(1) He needs to call with worse hands.

(2) He needs to fold better hands.

If he doesn't do any of this, then there is no value in a bet.

Sure, I could see a worse ace call here. I don't think we ever fold a pair though. Like I said, if anything, it's ultra thin.

let me ask you this


aren't you calling this river with Ax hands?

You didn't include the read that I was the villain.

what kind of response is that?

I don't bluff with T high or anything like that. Randoms do.

I do call with Ax, sometimes. Randoms also call with Ax, but they bet with a ton more.

i'm the one betting
he's only been calling and he hasn't shown any aggression on what i would say is a relatively safe board

so

I think there's value in betting this

And I still say he bets more hands you beat than he calls with, and I really don't think it's close.

zach, i am Super Man!

No, it's ok. I'm retarded.

Now, if we were OOP, then apply my analysis would be hot.

Pretty sure I check behind here like 99% of the time though.

Don't listen to the haters mikey, this is a definite value bet. The fact that the bottom card paired eliminates one of his most likely passive holdings makes ace high far and away the most likely remaining option. I think your AQ will get paid off regularly here.

When against an UTG preflop raiser, I see my Ax hands beating very little.
In BB's position, I do not call the river with a missed Ace-rag.
Actually, I fold the turn ui.

I would love to value bet my AQ here if I believed a decent Villain would often call with less.
I don't believe they would.
So I don't value bet 5th street.



Sure, on the river


--CM