Here are 3 hands from my "shot taking" at 600max PLO tonight. There's a thread in general about it, I basically took the last $400 I had on Stars and threw caution to the wind
and said I was either goin broke or making it in to something worthwhile. Anyways, these were the 3 hands that I sat back and thought, man, I really coulda made more from
those...Any sense in slowing down in any of em? I haaaate giving free or cheap cards in PLO. The second one especially I saw as a missed opportunity....


PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $6 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

SB ($115)
BB ($218.90)
Hero ($831.20)
Button ($991.30)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A , K , 6 , 5 .
Hero calls $6, Button calls $6, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($24) J , 7 , 9 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $12, Button folds, SB raises to $58.8, BB folds, Hero calls $46.80.

Turn: ($141.60) 4 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $72, SB folds.

Final Pot: $213.60

Results in white below:
No showdown. Hero wins $213.60.


PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $6 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

MP ($299)
Hero ($898.95)
SB ($135.10)
BB ($908.10)
UTG ($500.60)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 3 , A , 5 , 8 .
2 folds, Hero raises to $18, SB calls $15, BB calls $12.

Flop: ($54) 2 , 3 , 3 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $36, SB folds, BB raises to $102, Hero raises to $358, BB folds.

Final Pot: $514

Results in white below:
No showdown. Hero wins $514.


PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $6 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

UTG ($299)
Hero ($1034.95)
Button ($117.10)
SB ($788.10)
BB ($500.60)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A , A , 5 , 3 .
1 fold, Hero calls $6, 1 fold, SB raises to $24, 1 fold, Hero calls $18.

Flop: ($54) Q , 3 , A (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $52, SB folds.

Final Pot: $106

Results in white below:
No showdown. Hero wins $106.

First hand :

We are not getting called many times here. Maybe if he has a flush or top set.

SB has only 50 left on turn. Why are we overbetting and scaring him away? I throw a strange bet like 25$ into a 141$ pot. That'd confuse him and hopefully we can get a call from a lower flush or a set.

2nd hand :

I don't like the re-pot on flop. He has either 32 which leaves us only 9 outs. Or he has a weak 3 which give him only 9 outs at most. In either scenerio I'd like to call in position. Because any turn card will scare him. After re-potting flop , he won't check turn no matter what card turn is. So you can even make him bet your hand for you.

3rd hand :

I am playing it the same with the flush draw out there.Its good to win a small pot than lose a big one and this hand seems dangerous for losing a big pot with gutshots and flush draw on the board.

So how did it go? Did you make it in to something worthwile?

16 hands, 17 minutes, started $396, finished $1175. Heeeeeater.

In this hand, I was thinking that there could be NO way he had the case 3 in his hand. I was thinking that to call the pot-raise preflop, he had to have big cards, or some kind of connected hand, and I didn't want to see him come along with a wrap draw or something for cheap.
A ton of turn cards here would scare me, as well, facing a pot sized bet by the only guy at the table that could stack me and send me off of pokerstars forever. I wasn't big on letting people "catch up" during this little run.

My thoughts exactly.

I was confused here. When he pots the flop, then checks the obvious flush card on the turn, I didn't know what the hell to think...I figured since half of his money was already in the pot, likely with the straight made already, or the wrap draw at least, he'd call off the rest. In the spirit of not giving free cards though, I didn't want to see the board pair on the river and be forced to call.

I keep forgetting that you are taking a shot with whole bankroll here.

When you are playing way underrolled its hard to extract more value from pots because as you know in order to extract more value you should take some risks and push smaller edges. And to push small edges you need a full bankroll.

Do you remember this thread? : http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...showtopic=76123

Trying to analyze your hands knowing that you have all your money on the table reminded me off that thread.

Thanks, I hadn't seen that link. Curious to see Simo's thoughts here too, he seems to be the only other person that posts in this forum...lol

I am surprised he hasn't replied yet

Hi.



Having your whole roll on the table changes things a little, but given that you are aiming for boom or bust means survival tactics aren't a huge factor.

Hand 1: I usually raise preflop, but I don't mind limping. I almost certainly check behind on the turn. The danger of being outdrawn is minimal in comparison to being paid by a straight or lower flush on the river. His check screams weakness given how much he has invested. I think the best way to extract money from T8xx is to wait another card.

Hand 2: I like raising preflop, but not to $18. Raising to $15 just keeps the pot a bit more manageable postflop. I like your flop bet of $36 but I really hate reraising his c/r. If he shoves you know you are screwed but you have to call. Just call and see the turn.

Hand 3: I like raising preflop here. I think I prefer a smaller lead on the flop as well. You have position and a very strong hand. I would expect a lead from a flush/straight draw so I would read his check as very weak. $35-$40 prices out most draws and you have position as well. You won't lose a huge pot if he hits a flush or a straight in any case.


Some of my general thoughts about shorthanded PLO:
Playing shorthanded means that the nuts is less common than in full ring. You are also going to be against huge draws far less often. You can raise with weaker hands and slowplay weaker hands in general. In hand 2 above your raise scares off all hands you are beating and loses you a huge pot if he has the hand he is representing. Use your position.
AAxx is a big hand shorthanded, far more so than in full ring, but is still difficult to play multiway so it is better to limit the field to just 1 or 2 opponents with a preflop raise and follow up with a mid sized bet on most dry flops. This is a reason why it is better to vary your bet sizes in general. If you always bet pot, you lose far too much when you are uncertain of where you are. However, if you only ever bet less than pot with your weaker hands and always pot with the nuts you become easy to read.
When you find yourself playing out of position, look to checkraise with a wide range of draws and made hands. It is very common for a preflop raiser to c/bet a flop with almost anything, so you should often allow him to do this. It is difficult to call a c/r pot with anything less than a very big hand, even playing heads up.


Alternatively I could just say that it's 99% luck so just pot and repot with any vaguely suited cards (same colour will do, doesn't have to be the same suit) until you are broke or rich. Either way will give the same results unless you play more than 100k hands. Variance sucks.

(I'm a little frustrated with poker at the minute)