BeaverStyle
Friday, January 12th, 2007, 2:29 PM
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1600 (8 handed)
Hand History Converter Tool from
FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)
MP1 (t14804)
MP2 (t43071)
CO (t39227)
Button (t44228)
SB (t60454)
BB (t18780)
UTG (t28894)
Hero (t20542)
Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J

, A

.
1 fold,
Hero raises to t4800,
5 folds, BB calls t3200.
Flop: (t8525) J

, K

, T
(2 players)BB bets t1600, Hero calls t1600.
Turn: (t11725) 7
(2 players)BB bets t4800, Hero folds.
Final Pot: t16525
What do you think of my line, and what would you do???
Sefaje
Friday, January 12th, 2007, 2:48 PM
honestly, i fold preflop. your hand is perfectly positioned for you to not know what the hell to do if someone pushes. you'd probably have to end up folding then, and with 25% of your stack in.
AJ UTG+1 in an 8handed game is extremely vulnerable.
as played, i probably raise the flop to 4000. that will prevent you from getting bullied on the turn by anything that you beat (besides probably QJ/QT) and you can fold pretty confidently if he pushes. if he calls, he'll probably check the turn and then you get a free river.
edit: pretending that i raised pf and called the flop like you, i also fold the turn. i think he's got jt
rogerwilco
Friday, January 12th, 2007, 2:56 PM
QUOTE (Sefaje @ Friday, January 12th, 2007, 11:48 PM)

as played, i probably raise the flop to 4000. that will prevent you from getting bullied on the turn by anything that you beat (besides probably QJ/QT) and you can fold pretty confidently if he pushes. if he calls, he'll probably check the turn and then you get a free river.
That's pretty risky, if Hero puts another 4K in the pot and then folds the turn, he is down to about 12K with a 1600 big blind coming up very soon.
Highlow16
Friday, January 12th, 2007, 5:35 PM
First of all, there is nothing wrong with your raise UTG. As the average stack size decreases in relation to the blinds you MUST open up your starting requirements. If normaly your only opening with AQs or better under the gun (mines alot wider than this

) then AJo is now well within a proper opening range. Now on the flop, I think you stand a very good chance of being ahead here. In my experience in tournaments and cash games a weak lead like that is not a strong hand. Usually its a poor playing telegraphing their hand. I think this player may be on a small flush draw, a pair and a straight draw like QJ or QT. I dont blame you for folding but I think you should shove over the top on the flop. He didnt flop the nuts because most players would likely check raise, not min bet. Even if you are called you have outs to the J, a gut shot, back door flush possibly.
bdc30
Friday, January 12th, 2007, 5:49 PM
Fold preflop. Your position sucks, if you get reraised, you have to lay it down, and your chances of stealing the blinds for 2nd spot at an 8 player table are slim and slimmer.
Once you make that raise and get called, raise the turn at the very least.
Don't like the way you played this hand at all. You had 25% of your stack in the pot preflop with only AJ. And it wasn't even sooooted. lol
ChrisRichey
Friday, January 12th, 2007, 10:46 PM
I think pf is fine, but don't like the call on the flop. If you think you're drawing to a A/Q in order to win, then fold. If you think you're ahead, which would require some sort of read, then raise it up.
simo_8ball
Saturday, January 13th, 2007, 3:45 AM
I think the converter messed up the pot sizes. Pot should be $11k on the flop and $14.2k on the turn.
Raise less preflop. You don't need to invest $4800 there. A raise to $3.8k-$4k does the same job and makes the pot smaller on later streets.
I like your line postflop.
BeaverStyle
Saturday, January 13th, 2007, 10:07 AM
QUOTE (ChrisRichey @ Friday, January 12th, 2007, 10:46 PM)

I think pf is fine, but don't like the call on the flop. If you think you're drawing to a A/Q in order to win, then fold. If you think you're ahead, which would require some sort of read, then raise it up.
this is the line I think I should've taken, I definitely should have raised the flop to see where I am. I found out later that this player is rather donkish (i hadn't played w/ him till the FT) But I still might have been behind.
Raising the flop finds that out.
It's cool though, I took 2nd for a cool $360
copernicus
Saturday, January 13th, 2007, 12:12 PM
I think the line is fine, I fold also. He's willing to play your EP raise OOP, and isnt afraid of that board. You may not only be behind, but you may be drawing for a split if hes got AK, and the A and Q of hearts might not even be outs.
darkrider88
Saturday, January 13th, 2007, 1:10 PM
The way it is played, you have to fold the turn. A small raise on the flop may have given you some info, but at the same time you don't have a strong hand and it is probably better to keep this pot small, especially since you have position working for you.
Another way to look at it is to see what hands you can beat, which are very few. AJ ties you, KJ and 10J has you beat, and QJ he has a ton of outs. He isn't playing this hand like he's got two hearts. Tough hand.
dingas
Saturday, January 13th, 2007, 1:15 PM
What do you guys think BB's weak bet on the flop means?
If he has a hand like 2-pair or AK or a set, he has to be pretty wary of that board, and would likely make a bigger bet to get value from draws. With 2-pair or better, many players would also go for a check-raise.
The small bet really feels like QJ or Q10 or a heart draw. Thus, I think you should make a raise on the flop - make it 4000. If he just calls and then checks to you, you can go with your read and push the turn or check behind unimproved if you are not feeling so frisky.
Footballguru
Tuesday, January 16th, 2007, 9:58 AM
he could have AQ here??? I hate the situation preflop, but im def. not folding here. I would raise ~2.5x BB instead of ~3...u have to call the flop's small bet. Turn he looks serious. I just seem to think he is on AQ here, fits perfectly to his line.
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