Hi, I've been discussing this with BudBundy a little and we think that merging the forums would encourage more input between the two. Many O8b posters rarely if ever visit Omaha and vice versa. Considering how little traffic there is across both, making Omaha like the Stud forum would be of benefit.
I have created a thread in the Suggestions section on this and I would appreciate your input.

Thanks.

http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...p;#entry1640491

^^^^^ I completely agree.

Majority of omaha players know both Omaha hi and Omaha hi/lo games.

There seems to be more traffic in Omaha hi-lo threads and i am sure those posters can contribute to omaha hi hands as well.

Dumbest Idea I have read on FCP in ages.

There is probably very little cross traffic with the lowball or holdem fora so why not merge with them?

If the answer is because you and BudBundy (whoever he is) think that the games are similar then you don't really understand either of them.

IMO the value of the specialized approach is that it encourages specialists with limited time to frequent and contribute quality content, without needing to wade through a load of posts on games that they are not interested in.

Easy there cowboy.

Even if you don't agree with the idea, this is not the right attitude to object it.

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You are wrong.

The games are similiar.

He who plays omaha hi; has played/is playing/will play omaha hi/lo as well. Also Vice Versa.

This a good idea.

I replied in your tone so you can understand easily.

i don't agree. i don't think the games are similiar. i also disagree w/ cham that the idea is terribly stupid. i don't think it's a bad idea (both forums have been dead lately), but i dont care one way or the other.

i think cham is one of the most valuble (sp?) posters this forum has (along with cope and checky) so i'd do anything within reason to keep him happy.

Making a few good posts doesn't give anybody the right to act like an ***.

We are trying to make this forum better and more functional. If you don't like the original idea you say "I don't agree maybe we should do this". You don't say "This is a stupid idea"

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This is my last post about this. Let's focus on raising the traffic in Omaha section.

Stud Hi/Lo, Stud and Razz aren't similar either. They are all in one forum because there isn't enough traffic to warrant three separate ones. Why would it be a dumb idea to merge Omaha?

Many players who know Stud also contribute to Razz and S8b posts. Many O8b players will have a reasonable understanding of Omaha hi and vice versa.

Also, in case you haven't noticed, there are usually only one or two new Omaha Hi threads per day, if that. There are slightly more O8b topics, but certainly not enough to create chaos.

Strat is generally free of flames, and it would be better if it stayed that way.

Thanks.

So is the issue one of traffic to bandwidth? If so then there are a load of nebulous fora unrelated to poker that can go.

Most sites start off combined and then split once the Hi- and 8/b- focussed members get irritated with having to sift through the other to get to the threads relating to their game of preference (and those that want both just read both forums). That's what happened here - but before your time (not a dig). Now those of us who have limited time but who are interested in supporting this subset of the FCP community can do so efficiently, without having to go through the nebulous posts. The only time I go near the Hi forum is when I am searching for some old, pre-split posts - so I neither know (nor care) how many new daily threads there are there.

I believe it to be a "dumb idea" based on what I suspected was the flawed logic behind it - confirmed by BudBumBoy; just because someone plays 2 forms of Omaha doesn't mean that they are similar or even interesting: I have probably played more different forms of poker than he even knows exists, however I have no interest in posting in - or even reading - a forum related to most of them. If we followed his apparent logic, you might as well force all the Omaha players to read the LHE forum.....there is more chance of a player playing LO8 and LHE than Omaha Hi, at least live in the US.

One good way of improving the quality of a forum (if that is your objective) is by contributing some good content (focussed, relevant and challenging). If Hi is struggling, it may have something to do with the quality and capability of the Moderator.

You would have got a more discursive response from me to your post, had it not already been responded to in such a dumbass way by your apparent colleague.

It is almost certainly true that most O8b players have some knowledge and experience of Omaha hi. Unfortunately there is little reason for them to post in the Omaha hi forum as they (probably) rarely play the game and would not gain anything significant from it. This is not to say that they are averse to giving advice on the subject and would not post in PLO threads if they were presented to them, however.

To use an example, HangukMiguk is (as far as I know) primarily a Razz player. If the Razz, Stud and S8b forums were separate, I'm sure he would be less disposed to post advice on Stud hands. Because there is so little traffic it makes sense to combine all Stud poker into one forum. This is the main reason for this proposal.

You seem to hate the thought of seeing several PLO threads mixed in with the O8b threads. If there was enough traffic in either game to require individual forums I would not be suggesting this, but you seem to underestimate how little is posted in the Omaha forum. It will not take any 'sifting'. People post on these forums to give and to receive advice. I believe that combining the forums would encourage posters with knowledge of both games to post on both subjects. If you do not with to post on PLO hands, then don't.

right (though not QUITE the dumbest idea ever, lol). i would hate a merge. the games are very, very different.

I'd rather keep them separate also

I like more differentiation than less as it's just easier to navigate. At this point in time, there aren't that many Omaha Hi posts but they could easily increase to the point where it'd be tougher to only find the O8 posts.

There was originally an outcry way back when the one thread for all of strategy was divided up for the first time - obviously it was for the better that it happened.

Keep them separate. They are completely different games. I dont want to have to sift through the PLO posts to find the O8 ones. I avoid the PLO forum like the plague and thats the way I like it.

Do those that don't wish for the merger think there should be separate Stud forums? Those games are as different as Omaha and O8b. I appreciate that a lot of you don't care about Stud in the slightest, but it is a perfect example of my point. If they were separate you would get fewer S8b/Stud/Razz players posting on the two games they play less. You create synergy by having them together. Now, if all strategy was in one forum (as it was a while ago) it would be simple to overlook a thread because there would be too many to be manageable. Somewhere in the middle ground lies the optimal point. I believe that grouping them together would be of benefit to those seeking advice.
The only possible disadvantage is the potential for 'clutter', or at least that is the only argument I have read thus far. Some of you will have no interest in contributing to Omaha Hi threads, but I would like to think that at least some posters would be more encouraged to give opinions on them than they do currently.

There are very easy solutions to your concerns.

There can be a thread title standard.One can state if it is Omaha 8 or Omaha hi in the title.

If you don't want to read or post about Omaha Hi hands simply look at the title if it says Omaha hi, pass.

I am sure there are some Omaha 8 players who would like to contribute to Omaha hi hands if they see those hands in the forum which they check everyday.

i actually hate the stud forum because it's not seperated.

A great argument for keeping them separate, so that there is some chance of the "advice" being worthwhile.

agreed. stud8 and stud hi are just as different as oh and o8.

to be honest, i think plo8 and lo8 should be different forums as well, but i'm super picky, so meh.

also for the record, i think the o8 forums here are maybe the best kept fcp secret. a lot of the discussion in here is on a significantly higher level than most of the NLHE, LHE, PLO, and tourney advice in the other strat forums. imho. that's not to say that the other forums aren't good or aren't as advanced, but i like the fact that i don't have to sift through countless standard hands to find an interesting one here.

PLO and PLO8 may look the same because of the nature of the pot limit games, play hands in position and pot size manipulations. This even applies to plhe. For example drawing hands like 89 have more advantages in position, and the made hands like PP can punish the drawing hands that are out of position.

But plo8 is more complicated than plo. In plo8 you MUST avoid middle cards like plague, but in plo I will be very happy to play 6789 every time while avoid A23X like poisons. Plo8 is more subtle because of its bi-directional nature and a small mistake could be a fatal mistake. But in plo hands run so close in value that suck outs can always happen so this is the real action game and the poor players can still last for a while, but in plo8 they stand no chance. In plo the big money exchanges when the made hands like set are up against big wraps, but in plo8 the big money exchanges when a locked hand with many redraws against some fish automatically donate their nlhe suckouts.

In general I feel like the competitions in plo8 is getting tougher than plo. But each time when I play I still beat the sht out of some named 2+2 posters at the 200 or 400 games althought right now I don't play much plo8. When I play them it's more like by the end of the night so I will spend 30 minutes or so for fun before heading to bed. I prefer lo8 and plo and they are where the money is.

As far as combining the forums together? I prefer not.

Limit and pot/no limit games play very differently. Does that warrant splitting the O8 forum into two new fora?

I agree with you on that. There are many high quality players who frequent this O8 forum. My idea was to try and subtly encourage those knowledgeable players to opine on PLO hands as well.

Having had this proposal evidently shot down in flames I will merely request that some of the members here with PLO knowledge at least glance at the omaha forum once in a while.

It was worth a try.

Just my two cents that I wouldn't like it combined either. For those who think they're similar games....

I almost never play PLO.
I feel extremely uncomfortable at PLO.
I have a decent understanding of the game but don't feel myself experienced enough to give advice.
I.... don't think PLO is at all that similar to PLO8.

I don't know how to stress it enough. JKOffsuit did a pretty good job explaining how much the bi-directional nature changes things.

And also, not to sound arrogant or cocky or anything, but it does get very annoying when people who think they're qualified to give advice, when they're actually not, do so. Unfortunately, that type of thing will abound if the two forums are combined.

Aseem