Cryptologic
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.15/$0.25
10 players
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Stack sizes:
Hero: $40.20
UTG+1: $24.75
UTG+2: $23.50
MP1: $24.50
MP2: $40.15
MP3: $25.75
CO: $8.25
Button: $55.01
SB: $24.75
BB: $23.60

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is UTG with 5 6 8 4
Hero calls, 2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button raises to $1, SB folds, BB calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, CO calls.

Flop: 7 6 Q ($5.4, 5 players)
BB bets $0.75, Hero calls, MP1 calls, CO calls, Button raises to $9.9, BB folds, Hero calls, 2 folds.

Turn: 2 ($27.45, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $27.45, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $27.45 returned to Button.

Results:
Final pot: $27.45

I regretted this fold a lot.

Any thoughts?

I think the flop play tells you that you are against QQ, so I like just calling.

You almost certainly are not worse than 2/1 to win this hand on the turn, so I don't like your fold.

I prefer the c/c because he may bet less than the pot and give us a cheaper river. The only advantage to betting would be if we had some fold equity.

Seems like it's just u two singing the solos at the omaha forum so I will like to join the choir.

Button raised preflop, do we automatically assume he's having QQ?

Even if you are against QQ, you have 17 outs on the flop and you have two backdoor flush draws, your hand should be the favorite so I will like to gambool. But anyway it's just personal preference.

If you are against AA/KK, you have additional two outs.

Even if you are against 89TJ I believe it's still a coin flip (I am too old and lazy to check it out at two dimes).

As played, on the turn you are getting the right odds to call. Bad fold dude.

All in all, to avoid all those guessings, I will like to pot it back on the flop. See ya on the riva.


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We'd be honoured sir!

That's what i thought at first in the hand but if you haven't noticed we both have bigger stacks than normal and i thought by just calling i could save some money if the board pairs.

Anyway i can't believe after a brazillion silly calls,river bets,re pots i got all scared and folded here.

Any shorter stacked and I would agree with repotting the flop, but I don't see us having a large equity edge over his range and we can get away from a paired turn card.

And hence comes the Smasharoo wisdom, "fold SB, BB if raised, fold UTG...".

You are subjected to be outplayed a lot under those positions. If you limp the pot is not built so even if you hit hard you may not get paid off, and even if you once in a life time hits some good draws but you are a pu$$y then you are subjected to lose more money just like the case above. So you could win a little but lose a lot and hence limping in EP is a long term losing proposition.

If you raise preflop you will take even more risks of losing your stack because most players can't let go off their pretty hands in a raised pot. One common reason that the "good" players lose their money is they have the mentality thinking that since they have been waiting for so long for a good hand then they automatically deserve to win other people's money with their pretty hands, and hence all the bad beat whiners and the unrested dead meats at the general forum.

Yeah maybe at the lower limits the early position effects won't be so obvious, but when the limits go up the punishments will be more severe.

So why bother to play hands in early positions?

I have no problem seeing a flop with this hand at $25PL. Increase that to $2/$4 and I would be much more wary and more likely to fold. Most people play this game very badly and overvalue their postflop, non-nut hands so we can get paid off.

I have known players at $100PL stack off with unimproved AAxx on dangerous boards in deepstacked situations. Playing this hand at lower limits is profitable at almost any table in any position as long as you are competent postflop.

I think here we are going to be against QQxx most of the time, and I doubt he will fold if we make our straight. There is, therefore, a lot more value in seeing the turn because we win the same when we hit but we can lose less when the board pairs.