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kkcountry
antistuff
how many hands is this?
kkcountry
first guess - i go to showdown wayyyyyyy tooo often? (bad habit of playing a lot of hu?)

QUOTE
how many hands is this?


just over 2k, not enough, right?
mikeysong
you're defending your bb like a madman. I thought I was defending too much but 25%?! Geez, you can definitely let go of some of whatever you're playing.


I would steal more blinds
raise more (28/18? Shouldn't it be more like 28/20-22?)
and chill out on the aggression.

Especially in short handed limit, when you start out, you really should play tighter, and then play more lag. You can def. win playing 34% but i'm starting to cut down on that when I multi-table, I'm actually thinking playing 28% of my hands would be a better # for me.

As for you, play tighter to around let's say 24% ? My reason? I'm pretty sure I saw a math dork come up with that recommended # lol. As for aggression level, I forget.

I don't know what else you're doing wrong. Are you 3betting a lot of Ax hands or QJ hands? I wouldn't do those unless I was isolating a maniac or someone that's pissing me off tongue.gif
iggymcfly
It's tough to play out of position all the time. Your passing up a lot of good stealing opportunities (my attempt to steal is 47% to your 31%) while you're defending your blinds way too much (my "fold BB to steal" is 10% higher than yours and is still considered pretty low). Your WTSD's not high at all though, so that's not a big issue.

Also, 2K hands really isn't much; I'd guess you could be as much as 5% off your true numbers on "fold BB to steal, att. to steal", etc., etc.
Zach6668
Your W$SD is INSANELY low.

This is either an insignificant amount of hands, and you are running poorly, or you are calling to much on the end, or something, although your WTSD isn't bad.

What is your total AF? It seems like it'd be pretty high. Not that it is necessarily a bad thing, but its possible to be too aggro, if we are playing against complete stations.

I'd fold BB more often too, as stated earlier.

Number of hands is important here though.

Oh, I see over 2k. Comeback with 10k, minimum.
mikeysong
yeah, i go to showdown like 33-35% of the time. If anything you should probably be going to showdown more unless you've got great reads


what stakes are you playing?
Shimmering Wang
The combination of the pure volume of hands you're playing from the BB and the fact that it looks like you're dogging it w/o catching a piece means you're probably leaking there. Proper play out of the blinds is huge, and it seems like you're a BB calling station preflop. You don't earn enough pots postflop to justify playing so many hands from the BB. Just because you're getting 3.5-1 doesn't mean you should be playing any two cards.

Wang
pokerplayer24
Tightening up will fix everything as playing to many hands OOP is skewing ur stats.

Also iggy 47 is insanely high, you're most likely leaking unless you are in situations where the play is insanely weak or you're playing sh.

"Attempted to steal blinds:

Mean: 27.19
Standard Deviation: 4.70
Min: 19.29
Max: 33.33
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 24.84-29.54"


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kkcountry
QUOTE (Shimmering Wang @ Tuesday, January 9th, 2007, 4:30 AM) *
The combination of the pure volume of hands you're playing from the BB and the fact that it looks like you're dogging it w/o catching a piece means you're probably leaking there. Proper play out of the blinds is huge, and it seems like you're a BB calling station preflop. You don't earn enough pots postflop to justify playing so many hands from the BB. Just because you're getting 3.5-1 doesn't mean you should be playing any two cards.

Wang


i think that's it.
iggymcfly
QUOTE (pokerplayer24 @ Tuesday, January 9th, 2007, 2:54 AM) *
Also iggy 47 is insanely high, you're most likely leaking unless you are in situations where the play is insanely weak or you're playing sh.

"Attempted to steal blinds:

Mean: 27.19
Standard Deviation: 4.70
Min: 19.29
Max: 33.33
A one-half standard deviation range about the mean: 24.84-29.54"
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat...&PHPSESSID=


Actually, I filtered my database for hands with 4-6 players since OP explicitly mentioned playing shorthanded. Don't think it makes a difference though in "attempt to steal" since that only looks at late position situations anyway. Looking at my FR stats, the number's exactly the same.

I do remember making a conscious adjustment to tighten up my LP play about a month or two ago though, so that number might be a little higher than I play right now. I don't have a statistically significant database that's recent since most of my play's been on Bodog lately, but looking at the recent stats I do have, I've only dropped to 45. I can't imagine folding 1/3 of my current open raising hands. Should I really be open-folding stuff like J9o or K5s on the button?
Zach6668
QUOTE (iggymcfly @ Tuesday, January 9th, 2007, 8:06 PM) *
I can't imagine folding 1/3 of my current open raising hands. Should I really be open-folding stuff like J9o or K5s on the button?

I fold both of those, unless the blinds never defend.

I'm like A2s+, A2o+, K7s+, K9o+, Q9s+, QTo, J9s+, JTo, 22+, opening from the button. That's just a rough range from the top of my head, and obviously can fluctuate depending on my image and overall table conditions. Sometimes I'll add a few hands, K6s, Q8s, etc, and sometimes I'll drop a few.
mikeysong
QUOTE (iggymcfly @ Tuesday, January 9th, 2007, 5:06 PM) *
Should I really be open-folding stuff like J9o or K5s on the button?


I don't think I ever. Although my hands Kx hands < k9 have been losing money, so mb I should tighten up....shrug, I'm still gonna raise those until I feel otherwise
iggymcfly
Against typical players, I'm probably something like 22+, A2+, K2s+, K7o+, Q4s+, Q8o+, J6s+, J8o+, T8s+, and suited connectors down to 54s. I'll occasionally mix in stuff like T9o or 86s if the blinds are really tight too. I guess that range is on the loose side, but it doesn't seem leaky. Looking over my PT button database, there doesn't seem to be any group of hands that I'm losing money on. For example, I'm losing money on Q6s and Q7s, but I'm winning on Q4s and Q5s, so I don't think there's any real significance.
TheCinciKid
I think the discussion in this thread is interesting. When I first played SH a few months ago on Party, I was open-raising a ton; pretty much any Ace from any position if I was first in, Kxs from the CO and button, any pair, hands like J9, JT, Q9, etc from LPish. I really don't think I was playing anywhere near well enough postflop to be playing this many hands.

When I got back into SH a few weeks ago, I made a conscious decision to be more careful. I've worked on tightening up from the first two positions and playing fewer Ax hands. Over a relatively small sample so far of about 6600 hands a 1/2, I'm running at about 24/16/2.88 and I'm 1.35 BB/100. My VPIP goes up as I get closer to the button, except of course from the blinds, and I really feel like I'm playing better overall than I was before.

I believe that the key to 6-max really is controlled aggression. You need to be aggro preflop, especially when opening and in late postion, but you also need to be careful.
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