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BudBundy
Cryptologic
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.15/$0.25
10 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $20.35
UTG+1: $25
UTG+2: $10.80
MP1: $10.95
MP2: $20.75
MP3: $90.02
CO: $5
Hero: $49.25
SB: $47.98
BB: $37.40

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is Button with A icon_suit_spade.gif 9 icon_suit_spade.gif A icon_suit_heart.gif T icon_suit_spade.gif
UTG calls, UTG+1 (poster) checks, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO (poster) checks, [color:#cc0000]Hero raises to $2.15[/color], 2 folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP3 calls, CO folds.

Flop: T icon_suit_diamond.gif 4 icon_suit_spade.gif 6 icon_suit_spade.gif ($9.5, 4 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 checks, [color:#cc0000]Hero bets $9.5[/color], UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP3 folds.

Turn: 8 icon_suit_diamond.gif ($28.5, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

River: 2 icon_suit_heart.gif ($28.5, 2 players)
[color:#cc0000]UTG+1 is all-in $13.35[/color], Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $13.35 returned to UTG+1.

Results:
Final pot: $28.5

Standard?
Wingman008
Is there any way we can justify betting the turn?
simo_8ball
QUOTE (BudBundy @ Friday, January 5th, 2007, 8:36 PM) *
Standard?


Yes. Hit one of your outs next time though.
BudBundy
QUOTE (Wingman008 @ Saturday, January 6th, 2007, 1:03 AM) *
Is there any way we can justify betting the turn?


Turn check seemed a lot like a check raise coming to me.
simo_8ball
QUOTE (Wingman008 @ Friday, January 5th, 2007, 9:03 PM) *
Is there any way we can justify betting the turn?

Not really. We probably don't have the best hand (and we would hate to get raised), so a free card is good.
benhoug
QUOTE (BudBundy @ Friday, January 5th, 2007, 12:36 PM) *
Flop: T icon_suit_diamond.gif 4 icon_suit_spade.gif 6 icon_suit_spade.gif ($9.5, 4 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 checks, [color:#cc0000]Hero bets $9.5[/color], UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP3 folds.

This is just a general question, not so much related to this post, but do you guys typically bet the pot or a smaller amount??

I only ask b/c as a general rule I don't bet pot unless I'm raising or re-raising pot. I find that in most cases a smaller bet serves the same purpose as pot, but we can manage the pot-size a little better by keeping it smaller. Not that it would make a huge difference in this hand but I'd likely bet something like $7 into the $9.50 pot...
BudBundy
QUOTE (benhoug @ Saturday, January 6th, 2007, 1:24 AM) *
This is just a general question, not so much related to this post, but do you guys typically bet the pot or a smaller amount??

I only ask b/c as a general rule I don't bet pot unless I'm raising or re-raising pot. I find that in most cases a smaller bet serves the same purpose as pot, but we can manage the pot-size a little better by keeping it smaller. Not that it would make a huge difference in this hand but I'd likely bet something like $7 into the $9.50 pot...


I also believe potting and betting a smaller amount has physcological affect on opponents.

I am sure this sounds pretty ridiculous but when i first started playing omaha when someone bet a smaller amount than pot on flop or turn , the first thing that came to my mind is "He doesn't have the nuts thats why he bets less than pot"

I think betting pot represents strength and betting less than pot shows weakness to new omaha players. An experienced player wouldn't fall for that obviously.
simo_8ball
QUOTE (benhoug @ Friday, January 5th, 2007, 9:24 PM) *
This is just a general question, not so much related to this post, but do you guys typically bet the pot or a smaller amount??

I only ask b/c as a general rule I don't bet pot unless I'm raising or re-raising pot. I find that in most cases a smaller bet serves the same purpose as pot, but we can manage the pot-size a little better by keeping it smaller. Not that it would make a huge difference in this hand but I'd likely bet something like $7 into the $9.50 pot...


I usually try to bet more optimally than the full pot, but there are a lot of situations that call for it. It very much depends on your normal pattern. If you are a pot or nothing player then its fine, but if you only ever pot with a big draw you are clearly going to be exploitable.

I don't really mind the full pot here because we will get called by a lot of hands we are crushing or at least fairly well ahead of.
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