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jcashx36x
Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $26.25
UTG+1: $15.70
CO: $13.80
Button: $25.70
SB: $28.25
Hero: $29.55

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with as.gif qc.gif kd.gif 5s.gif
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, Hero raises to $1, UTG+1 raises to $3.5, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 4c.gif 7s.gif 2s.gif ($7.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $7.15, [color=#cc0000]
Ricer98
I think its a toss up between raise or fold. I lean towards folding in this spot because were not getting good odds to chase. This changes though if I have a read on the player as being loose or agressive. If its someone I've seen continuation bet everytime, I'm definetly reraising. Against a rock its a fold for the same reason as above, bad odds. But, then again if you're in the mood to gamble, just put it all in since the villan would be left with so little anyway.

On a side note, I really don't like the raise preflop. While you've got a good hand, I havn't seen an omaha table yet where a raise to 4x the big blind gets more than a fold or two once people have allready entered the pot. So, were not gonna thin the field much or any, and will be out of position for the rest of the hand. Not favorable unless we hit the flop hard. So, I like just taking the flop for cheap and trying to flop big. On the button or cut off I would probably raise this, but definetly not from the blinds after 3 limpers.
simo_8ball
I really don't like the raise preflop here. Change the 5s to a spade 9+ and I like it much more.

Calling the reraise is fine.

I get it allin here definitely. The only question is wheether to c/r or to lead pot. I don't think there is a huge difference between the 2. Does he bet more hands we crush if we check than fold hands we crush if we bet? (I think that made sense)
Wingman008
Why are we raising PF here? We are playing an Omaha hand with three cards. Not good.
I think I fold this hand unless you know that this guy is hyper agressive, because as far as I can tell, we have an isd, and a flush draw. I don't think we are getting the odds to call, and it looks like he will be pushing allin on the turn anyways.
benhoug
QUOTE (Ricer98 @ Tuesday, January 2nd, 2007, 5:31 PM) *
I really don't like the raise preflop.

I HATE this raise p/f. We're out of position w/ a dangler hand, why are we raising??? Don't you see how much easier this hand is to play if we limp and flop the spade draw? Then we can see the turn cheaply. Now we've only got a one way draw and we have to pay through the nose for it. As played I don't know what I do, probably fold, but the raise p/f is bad IMO.
simo_8ball
We need 38% equity against his range to get allin here. If he has a set with 2 spades we are about 32%. If he has AA with a spade draw we are 45%. If he has 3s 4s 5c 6c we are 39%. We should only fold if he has a set.

I don't know what hands reraise us preflop that have us in trouble here.
Kendren
Actually, I haven't run the numbers, but I think our worst case scenario is villian has AA56 with 56 spades. That reduces us to 7 outs currently plus runner sunner 2 pair. We may be farther behind a set, but not much. With the nut FD and a gutshot, I'm thinking shove. Villian has only left himself 4.50ish behind, so he's betting the turn hell or high water... so if you're playing, go ahead and get it in now. Leading out on this flop would be good too if you know you're gonna play to a po tbet anyways.

EDIT: you have the 5 spades, so scratch that. AA56 1 spade still leaves us 8 outs, but I think a set has us worse. Doesn't change my actions, tho.
simo_8ball
I think worst case we are against something like 4h 4s 5c 6s which is 76.7% to win. The fact is though, why would he reraise preflop with any hand that had 22, 44 or 77 in it?
Wingman008
Because they are thinking they are Texas Hands?

At these limits I think we can open up everyones range unless we have played with them before and have seen them play solidly.
simo_8ball
QUOTE (Wingman008 @ Wednesday, January 3rd, 2007, 10:10 PM) *
Because they are thinking they are Texas Hands?

At these limits I think we can open up everyones range unless we have played with them before and have seen them play solidly.


Yeah, but 22, 44 and 77? Plus, if he is reraising with those hands preflop is he not betting out with a lower flush draw or an overpair on that flop as well?
Kendren
Stil, I think if you analyse this, if you're gonna call a pot bet on the flop, you might as well lead out and add in some fold equity. Lead pot, and if he comes over the top, you're getting... something like 5.4-1?

In summation, Leading>check-raising>folding>calling.
BudBundy
PF raise is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.

At these limits he has aces here most of the time.

I am definitely leading this flop tho. You will take it down here a good number of times in a heads up pot like this one on the other hand you don't want to give him a free card and see a blank turn. Then it'd be very hard to play rest of this hand. I don't think he is folding to a check-raise with his short stack either.

Call PF.

Lead FLOP.

Hit on Turn or river.
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