ok well for the last few months i have been running terrible.
in fact i have lost over $25K just through NL cash games.
what do you guys do when you are running bad to get through it?

What limits do you play?

he plays 100-200 NL

Ah, so he's down slightly over 1 buyin then.

Seriously though, if you're down $25k playing cash games and you are playing lower than $25/$50NL you need to drop down to a level you can beat. There are downswings you can blame on variance, but eventually you have to realise when you are numerous buyins down that maybe you can't beat the game.

How is 1 buy-in a significant amount? Everytime you sit down you're one bad beat, mistake, cooler away from losing a buy-in. right?

i play 10/20 limit and 2/4 nl.

this is not a joke and all the assholes who think they are funny, just piss off.
i am as much a member of this forum and you have no right to berate me or make fun of me in anyway.
if you continue to verbally attack me i will report to the mods, i have had enough of it.

BBFIDTS.

But seriously, you arent running bad at this point at those limits... you just plain arent a winning player there... move down til you find a game you can beat.

Ok, if you are in any way referring to me, I have not at any point attacked or flamed you. If you misinterpreted my comments I apologise.

If you are down $25k, that is over 60 buyins of $2/$4NL and 1250BB at $10/$20 Limit. That is a large enough drop to prove that you cannot beat those limits with your current skill level. You are a member of this forum, but you have (to the best of my recollection) never posted a hand for discussion/advice in strategy. The strategy forums exist for a purpose, why not utilize some of the talent and knowledge here?

Do you own PokerTracker? If not, buy it. If so, post some of your figures in here and we can see if there are any obvious areas of weakness. Losing 5, even up to 10 buyins can be a result of running bad. Losing 60 buyins is almost impossible if you are a winning player. The same can be said with limit.

losing 25k @ 2/4nl isn't that much? that's over 50 buyins @ 2/4nl and 1000bbs @ 10/20.

I suggest taking a break or start playing short sessions dan, and just getting in a few winning sessions under your belt to build back some confidence.

Lighten up Francis.

If you've dropped $25K and cannot afford it, you need to reevaluate more than just your Poker play and Limits. $25k in a few months is an Income for many people. You need to establish what your Gambling goals are. You need to determine if you may have a Gambling problem. If after serious introspection, you determine that you are going to continue gambling, you need to establish whether or not you are good enough at Poker to be able to play the style and limits at which you are playing. No one wants to admit that their losing may not be merely "variance", but may be because you are getting beaten by better players. At the very least you need to tighten up and drop down to smaller tables while you get a grip on your problem.

I think you should listen to simo on this one, and drop down. Posting hands in the strat sections will also help you find leaks. Hope things get better for you.

We need this:

how much you've won total
what your total bankroll is
what games you played to get to that bankroll
what games you played to lose $25K

You're not good at poker.
If you continue playing as you are, you will lose more.

Dont try to give yourself confidence. That advice is reserve for people with long histories of winning, where they've hit a short discouraging patch that is not representative of their expected performance. You should be discouraged by this. Deeply discouraged.


The best advice anyone can give you is to quit now.


You wont take the advice though. Which is why the poker economy continues to thrive.

you are a moron. i have been playing now for 11 years+ every day of my life for about 8 hours (about 2-3 when i was around 5 or 6 years old).
i am a better player than you are, and i play at least at mike matusow's level. you know nothing of my play, why comment? how dare you even comment to me that i cannot play.

to those who are trying to help:
at the moment my total bankroll is $78K (and change).
my total "career" winings is $442K.
i used to play 25/50 limit and 5/10 nl.

this is my first real bad swing (def my worst) in about half a year.
so far during gameplay i have not really titled (when i begin i get up from the table and walk outside for 20 mins or so) so i'm feeling confident at my level.
i know for a fact that i can beat the games that i am in, i play at small clubs and groups around the city due to my age so i know most of the players personally (by most i mean probably around 90%).

the problem is that my game is around 90% live and 10% internet so its hard for me to post hands, but i will start collecting hands and post them here.

again i CAN beat the games i am in. everytime i have lost a buy in it has been due to terrible suck outs such as QQ over TT and at the river a 10 spikes, or A7 vs AJ and me flopping a 7 only to get rivered with a j.

anyways hope someone can help me, and if you need more info jsut ask.

What kind of help are you looking for?

You seem to take offense to everything that is being said without considering that maybe you are, in fact, a losing player.

If you drop 50 buyins at NL or 1200+BB at LHE, you probably are not a winning player.

Just saying.

due to the fact that i have been a winning player for the majority of my life, and in the games that i play now i am jsut guessing that i am a winning player. this is a bad swing, i have been winning at my level for a long time before i started my card dead run.

Sooo, you didn't answer my question at all. What exactly is it you're looking for?

Sympathy?

If you actually are a winning player, play through it.

lol @ 50 buy-in downswing....

Right.

You've always been totally honest with us too.


But even if you did somehow manage to win a long time ago, things have changed.

Someone who was capable of winning at the 25/50 live (or online a long while back) there's a good chance that you wont be a winner now.



If you've been winning live and losing online, the reason is obvious.
You're good enough to beat the mentally retarded players at your local clubs, but you arent good enough to win online.

Just because you were a winner in the past, does not mean you are currently a winner. Since every hand is essentially independent, aside from metagame implications, it is entirely possible that you have developped a leak or simply are getting outplayed in the current games you are playing.

The key is to not be stubborn with yourself. The game conditions are constantly changing, if you do not adapt because you are too stubborn, because "you have been a winner for the last xx years", then you will almost always lose your edge.

nothing i have ever said on this forum has been a lie, what purpose would i have for talking myself up to a dickhead like you?

how am i being stubborn? i have no problem with adapting, and as i have said, i only every got my money in with the best hand, i got sucked out on in almost every situation. i am not playing bad, infact even in this very tough time, i have been managing to play my A game.

Then wtf do you want from us?

I think he just wants a form of counseling - psychological strategies that players use to get through downswings.

you are wrong. nobody is still playing their A game after months of losing and being down an amount of money that means something to them.

you have a bad case of denial.

If that's your approach to the game, you dont understand how it works.

cuin4, I asked above if you have pokertracker. If you do, please post some of your stats so we can assess them and make sure you don't have any major leaks. Not just hand histories, stats like VPIP, PFR, AF, etc.
If you do not own PT then please purchase it.

Please, try to understand the statistical significance of losing 60 buyins. It is all but impossible if you are a winning player. Really. If you have genuinely been playing better than the rest of the players at the table then you are suffering one of the worst downswings in poker history.

Also, why not contribute a little to strat if you are such a good player? I'm not being sarcastic here, I'm being genuine. Anyone that has made $442k playing $5/$10NL and below would be a valuable asset to these forums. You would get a hell of a lot more respect on FCP as well.

I call BS on this one. Sorry dude just don't believe you for whatever reason. And that post seriously looks like a troll post. You say you don't go on tilt yet you can't take any criticsm from a online forum that YOU posted to seek advice from.
So I'm pretty sure I know how you're on the tables already

Virtually every time he posts, something seems a bit off.

One day he's making posts about playing penny tables and/or tournaments online, and the next he's bragging about winning (XXX) thousand dollars in an underground tournament.

He says that he regularly plays 25/50 limit, but the highest stake hand he's posted in the strategy forums is 5/10 as far as i know. And he butchered it brutally.

Most of his hands for 'highish' stakes are from "home" games, where he plays 4/8NL against friends. I mean, im not saying it's not possible. But it sounds really off.


Even if there werent any odd things in his posts, he just comes off as really dense and immature. And it seems unlikely that someone that slow witted would be able to have the kind of success he claims to have had But he COULD be telling the truth. I just think that of all the people who talk about doing so well, he is one of the least likely ones to have actually done it.

You should go back to 5/10 nl and just play though it.
Your experience and skill will win out in the long run, and you won't get sucked out on as much at the higher levels where they will respect your play.

Why would you move back down to donk poker if you are still rolled to play 5/10 and have shown you are a winner there?

I've got a serious reply regardless of the OP's pedigree as I believe this is a relevant question for anybody who plays large numbers of hands of poker.

I am a winning player who has made ~ $40000 in the last year and a half (on-line) mainly at the $1/$2 NL ($200 max) tables. During the span of my 2.5 year career I have had multiple "bad runs" where no draws hit and my monsters always seem to be second best. During these down times I can find myself second guessing my play. I usually get to a point where I find myself making an adjustment to my play that I know to be wrong to compensate for my recent bad fortune.

At that point I usually recognize that I have a problem and that if I continue in my current modus operandi I'm doing to start leaking away money on top of the money I'm already losing to variance.

When this occurs, I have always found moving down a couple limits regardless of where your BR is at helps immensely. It's almost like taking off blinders. You quickly realize that even though you were sufficiently BRed you were becoming "money conscious" and that the chips were beginning to turn into $. When you are suddenly playing at tables where the relative value of the chips is somewhat meaningless to you, you can get back to focusing on the cards.

Usually after a couple-three sessions of playing at lower limits, the reads start coming back and the game that was getting foggy suddenly becomes clear again.

At that point I pop back up to my usual limits and get back to grinding.

Just my .02

Threads pretty funny.

Anyone who posts a serious reply should realize that this kid is just a huge attention whore.

I mean honestly its all a bunch of BS in an attempt to impress people. Maybe I should just post my story since im on a 20kish downswing and have a far more impressive poker career then this tool.

Yeah, but your 20k downswing happens over probably 5k-10k hands which is what, 6 hours?

bwaaahhaaahhhaa
shut up liar.



yeah, we know, you're awesome.

lmao @ Abba ripping this guy apart.

that's all Abba does
Roll in the dough like a machine and put down others on here to keep from being bored off his ***.

*********8

Abba, what are you doing with all your greenbacks?

Not the point but fair enough

I really dont make that much.

Pokerplayer makes a ton more than me im sure. Easily double.

Yeah, and he makes fun of you all the time for it.

They're both poor, I had a 13k week:)

Except for one bad thing, 13,100 is my whole br

rich f***er's...

couldn't agree more.....just try lower limits and gain some confidence

cuin4 SCREW most of them esp this guy. Just like a player can have a bad day its possible to have a bad 6 months. If your still making good decisions and are losing to suckouts keep going. Don't go down a level unless your bankroll can't support the level you want to play. You will generally have worse suckouts at lower donk levels, play through the slump and keep your head.

MOST of the people in here are micro NLHE internet players.

Stay the course kid and I'll see you in 4 years or is it 3?

Ah idiots.

If you ever want to play a micro nlhe player HU though im here for you.

HU for bankrolls?

Edit: I'd also rather that he didn't try to screw me for some reason I have the feeling he's fat.

Lol. It's possible to run bad for 6 months, but to lose 60+ buyins is all but impossible if you are a winning player, playing well. It would be one of the worst patches of variance in poker history.

lol. If you aint got the cash to roll with the big boys like him I'll put up half.

Meet me in AC we can play three handed!

Top pros have had losing years, what cuin4 is saying sounds unlikely but still possible. Or you must think its impossible for a flipped coin to land on tails 30 times in a row.

Oh and I'm overly skinny.

I have seen you guys post. "Can i get your opinion on this $.10-$.25 hand I played?" WTF? I have never played anything less than $1-$2NLHE, $1-$2 LHE(my first game) $1-$5 7card stud and $3-$6 Omaha still looking for a razz and a triple draw game.

I didn't say everyone was micro limit but I'll still play HU for my bankroll without knowing your skill level. My poker IQ was only 120 so don't be scared.

I meant he was fat. You told him to screw me.

I'll be nice and give you the benefit of the doubt.

Oh wait, no I won't.

If you knew anything you would know that the stakes you play for are irrelevant when discussing strategy.

Unless you want to have a **** measuring contest. In which case you win because I'm Irish.

You haven't seen the stuff the guy has posted. I would be very very very shocked if he isnt full of it. I mean common, he claims to have won half a million dollars playing poker in cash games over a period of time. But anybody who has one that much over the period he claims to have wouldn't be starting threads like this. Do you see why?

And I wouldn't really play you HU for my bankroll, I need it as poker is part of my income. I would buy a piece of pokerplayer24 in that game though, not that he would need me to.

Well I am black.

And you were nice, believe me I don't take offense to anything anyone said. If you guys don't believe him don't give advice, ignore the fool. He seemed very adament so....... Oh and I think the stakes has a lot to do with the texture of the table and strategy. Try to play in the play money sections and see. I play in a 1/2 big stack live game with a bunch of guys that are afraid to lose a buy-in, thus massive aggression.

Lets assume he's being 100% truthful and only losing buy-ins when people come from behind to beat him. Are you guys giving the right advice? Go down a limit? Why?

And I'll play for my bankroll, I do it all the time. I'm unemployed and self sufficent and yes I JUST MIGHT BE CRAZY

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