disctiger85
Friday, December 29th, 2006, 7:33 AM
I'm the juggernaut b****!!....moving on -->
Bodog 2/3 NL (6-handed)
UTG $201.75
CO $295
Disctiger $294
Disctiger is on the button w/ K

K

and I had been sitting at the table for maybe 2 or 3 orbits(roughly 14 hands) and had seen re-raises with KJo and c/r's all-in with 2nd pair. Everybody seemed to be playing their usual Bodog 2/3 (6 max) styles haha.
Pre-flop: (6-handed)
UTG calls,
1 fold,
CO calls,
Disctiger raises to $15,
2 folds,
UTG calls,
CO callsFlop($50): 9

8

Q

(3-handed)
UTG checks, CO checks,
Disctiger bets $35,
UTG folds,
CO raises to $85,
Disctiger callsTurn($220): 2

(2-handed)
CO checks,
Disctiger??Now, I felt alright about my hand on the flop(obv since I called instead of folding). Let's say we think we're ahead on this flop despite the c/r, how do we play it? I honestly expected him to bet the turn and we'd get all the money in, but he checked(wtf?). It was a strange situation for me, and seems like a very strange line for CO to take. Thoughts, perspectives, recommended plays would be good.
cheetaking
Friday, December 29th, 2006, 7:58 AM
A bet on the flop follwed by a check on the turn after a call seems like a bad pair to me. Especially since you're in position, and a raise could easily be a "hey he's in position, he's just representing the flop. I'm going to catch him" re-raise. He could just be stone bluffing, but most of the time I'd expect a second bet on the turn if that's the case. However, considering that he limp/called before the flop, J/10 is right in the hand range for that. No way would 2-pair check it, or even check/raise the flop for that matter, because that board is too scary with draws for that. Same goes for a set. I'm putting him either on a bad pair, maybe top pair with a weak kicker, or a straight. I'm putting him on the mid pair... 9/10 or A/9 sounds about right.
Since he's probably not calling if you bet on the turn, I'd check behind him and see if you can convince him to take another stab at it on the river. There aren't a lot of scare cards aside from the 10, Jack, and Ace, so you can be pretty confident calling another bet from him. So, I'm checking behind him on the turn and then check/calling the river.
No_Neck
Friday, December 29th, 2006, 10:07 AM
QUOTE (disctiger85 @ Friday, December 29th, 2006, 10:33 AM)

I'm the juggernaut b****!!....moving on -->
Bodog 2/3 NL (6-handed)
UTG $201.75
CO $295
Disctiger $294
Disctiger is on the button w/ K

K

and I had been sitting at the table for maybe 2 or 3 orbits(roughly 14 hands) and had seen re-raises with KJo and c/r's all-in with 2nd pair. Everybody seemed to be playing their usual Bodog 2/3 (6 max) styles haha.
Pre-flop: (6-handed)
UTG calls,
1 fold,
CO calls,
Disctiger raises to $15,
2 folds,
UTG calls,
CO callsFlop($50): 9

8

Q

(3-handed)
UTG checks, CO checks,
Disctiger bets $35,
UTG folds,
CO raises to $85,
Disctiger callsTurn($220): 2

(2-handed)
CO checks,
Disctiger??Now, I felt alright about my hand on the flop(obv since I called instead of folding). Let's say we think we're ahead on this flop despite the c/r, how do we play it? I honestly expected him to bet the turn and we'd get all the money in, but he checked(wtf?). It was a strange situation for me, and seems like a very strange line for CO to take. Thoughts, perspectives, recommended plays would be good.
Bets $150 and and calls the allin raise.
HangukMiguk
Friday, December 29th, 2006, 10:43 AM
something tells me, at most, he's on AQ, but if he had TP/TK at this level, he'd fire again on the turn when a deuce hits. My guess is he's on a semi-bluff (AT or AJ most likely), thinking he could take the pot with a c/r on the flop. when his card doesn't hit the turn, he's praying his play up to this point has you confused enough to give him a free card here. If he had flopped a monster, he'd most likely check/min-raise there, if not just check/call to do a check/raise on the turn or river, trying to keep you in the hand.
I bet out 2/3 pot, and call an all-in, waiting to reload if I'm wrong.
DonkSlayer
Friday, December 29th, 2006, 11:37 AM
I'm still pushing the flop.
NoSup4U
Friday, December 29th, 2006, 12:51 PM
QUOTE (DonkSlayer @ Friday, December 29th, 2006, 12:37 PM)

I'm still pushing the flop.
Who is calling that you have beat? AQ only MAYBE.
Mark
MasterLJ
Friday, December 29th, 2006, 2:28 PM
Pushing the flop is bad imo.
Bet/call on the turn though. He seems weak.
No_Neck
Friday, December 29th, 2006, 6:15 PM
QUOTE (MasterLJ @ Friday, December 29th, 2006, 5:28 PM)

Pushing the flop is bad imo.
Bet/call on the turn though. He seems weak.
how much do you bet?
disctiger85
Sunday, December 31st, 2006, 4:52 PM
Ok guys, thanks for the responses....I ended up pushing the turn for $194 into a $220. I wasn't sure how reasonable this was at the time. I honestly put him on a pair(probably not TP) with the straight draw and he was hoping he could c/c the turn for cheap. He ended up insta-calling with 77(4th pair, drawing to 2 outs). Strange, yes....appreciated, definitely. Everybody else seemed to agree betting the turn was the best plan of attack after he checked to us, but I'm a little unsure why we wouldn't just push, considering we had less than was in the pot. I understand that, generally speaking, only a better hand is calling our push, but if we're betting a reasonable amount on the turn then we're putting it in anyways. Just seems like there isn't a hand that we're ahead of that isn't going to call a push but will call a bet of $150ish on the turn IMO.
HangukMiguk
Tuesday, January 2nd, 2007, 2:49 PM
I suck at math dog. Had I have realized how much we have/how much is in the pot, I probably push the turn to.
<3 Donkeys.
No_Neck
Wednesday, January 3rd, 2007, 2:06 PM
QUOTE (disctiger85 @ Sunday, December 31st, 2006, 7:52 PM)

Ok guys, thanks for the responses....I ended up pushing the turn for $194 into a $220. I wasn't sure how reasonable this was at the time. I honestly put him on a pair(probably not TP) with the straight draw and he was hoping he could c/c the turn for cheap. He ended up insta-calling with 77(4th pair, drawing to 2 outs). Strange, yes....appreciated, definitely. Everybody else seemed to agree betting the turn was the best plan of attack after he checked to us, but I'm a little unsure why we wouldn't just push, considering we had less than was in the pot. I understand that, generally speaking, only a better hand is calling our push, but if we're betting a reasonable amount on the turn then we're putting it in anyways. Just seems like there isn't a hand that we're ahead of that isn't going to call a push but will call a bet of $150ish on the turn IMO.
I think betting $150 is better than open pushing because more hands will push all in there and will call your all in.
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