be less inclinded to raise against small stacks than against large ones.

like lets say youre playing $25 and two players limp one has 5 the other has 3. youre on the button with a27k suited ace. dont raise unless they are inclinded to fold.

i keep finding myself putting money in preflop where our hands are about even and then being forced to call on the flop behind because i now i have the odds to. in the long run we are just trading money back and forth. i might make a little here if they suck by making a good fold on the flop sometimes or by stealing if they check, but overall i think its better to limp here almost all of the time.


this leads me to believe that there might be a very good small stack strategy in a game with lots of preflop raising, but i have no clue what it would look like.

any thoughts, debates, or elaborations?

if you have someone stacked 4 or 8 to one, you're generally better off putting a lot of pressure on them in a game where preflop edges are marginal at best. you might double them up once, but odds are that you'll get his stack about 1/2 of the time and get them on the 2nd round. it's like the HU WSOP thing between boyd and hachem where boyd says "you keep winning" even though he has an inferior hand to hachem every time he doubles him up. even if you're behind every time, you will get the stack often enough, even if it takes you a couple tries. the only thing you'd have to watch out for is hit and run artists.

as for a shortstack strategy, it's going to be relatively easy to get your money in postflop for the same reason as above. hit and runs are probably the best way to go (just like wintermute does a lot, lol).

i am either completely misunderstanding you or you are suggesting a martingale strategy.

...or you're misunderstanding me


ill wait until a hand comes up where what im thinking of here applies and post it as an example

i am, kinda. in a game where there are very small preflop edges, something akin to a super aggressive martingale strategy is going to be closer to optimal than softplaying shortstacks preflop is. in the former, you're exerting a lot of pressure on your opponent, which in some spots can make up for the mathematical mistakes being made, while in the latter you're just losing value and unless you've got some sort of tricky check/raising or pot/3potting thing going against an aggro shortstack, you're not making him feel uncomfortable at all.

just remember that if you're getting more money in preflop with better hands and then making calls on flops where you're priced in, you're going to get all the money eventually. if you're running into problems, you're likely running into hands that are better than yours preflop or could just be running bad. is that the case, maybe?

it's probably an interesting idea, and i'm curious about the hands you'll post, but i do think it's just a loss of value in spots that are hard to play.

The main idea of plo8 is to play hands in position. DO NOT overplay your babies out of position. When I am in position I can play any 4 junks and eat you alive. Sigh Smash is a freakin genius. Too bad he's not posting anymore.

this is why plo8 is stoopid.

cocktease!!

ill buy you a beer if you explain more.

ha, try playing a session at reasonable limits where you only play superpremium hands in ep and mp, and literally every hand on the CO or button. if you're capable of open potting from LP to pick up airy flops, you'll soon figure out what smash/JKOS are talking about. you might have to adjust to thinking players learning how to c/r instead of bet on flops, but other than that, it'll seem like a money fountain.

then you'll get bored and only play limit .

I am just too lazy to explain. But for lower limits those plays are highly not recommended and just do nut-pedding that's all. But I can put some HHs so you can read and think about it.

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha/8, $4 BB (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)


Button ($306)
SB ($77.90)
BB ($433.60)
UTG ($457.55)
MP1 ($519)
Hero ($320.05)
CO ($210)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K , T , 7 , T .
UTG raises to $12, MP1 calls $12, Hero calls $12, 4 folds.

Flop: ($42) K , 2 , T (3 players)
UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $32, UTG raises to $135.9, MP1 folds, Hero: raises to $308.05 (All-In) , UTG calls.

Turn: ($658.10) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($658.10) Q (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $658.10

Results :
UTG has Ad 9s 2d Kc (High: two pair, kings and nines).



Or this thread as I've mentioned before. http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...showtopic=82453


or buy the button and set trap like this:

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha/8, $4 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

MP3 ($118.05)
CO ($197.80)
Button ($444.75)
SB ($135.05)
BB ($104.30)
UTG ($568.40)
UTG+1 ($630.75)
MP1 ($222.95)
Hero ($272.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 9 , 9 , A , 6 .
3 folds, Hero raises to $12, 4 folds, BB calls $8.

Flop: ($26) 2 , 9 , Q (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $12, BB raises to $60.7, Hero raises to $206.8, BB calls $31.60 (All-In).

Turn: ($325.10) J (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($325.10) A (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $325.10

Results:
BB has 4h 2h 2c 4s (High: three of a kind, twos).

play a few PLO8 Heads Up sit-n-gos. raise every button (that's not trips) and out of position only play really strong hands for good sized pots. if you play like 5 you'll understand why position is the most important thing in this game. WAY WAY WAY more important than starting hands.

it's basically the same thing checky said in aki's thread about being able to choose which hands you want to play large pots post flop with.