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JacKingOff_suit
This is another hand I want to discuss, but it's a little while ago.

Table: tight.
Villain: Tight, haven't seen major mistakes.

Preflop: Me Ac5c9sKd. EP raised. Everyone folded to me and I called.

Flop (4.5 sb): 9c 2h 3d
EP bet. I raised. EP called.

One of the main reasons I raised was I wanted to know where I was at, and in this situation I think I could afford to know where I was at. By no mean I thought my hand was so strong. If I got 3-bet I was willing to fold against this opponent.

So far so good?

What would you do? Fold, call, or raise? Anyone considering fold preflop?
navybuttons
QUOTE (JacKingOff_suit @ Thursday, December 21st, 2006, 11:45 AM) *
What would you do? Fold, call, or raise? Anyone considering fold preflop?


i fold preflop. your hand is just a little to uggo to smooth call here IMO. i just can't think of too many flops that give us a strong hand. if the table's tight you want to losen up but calling raises from EP with this hand is marginal at best. against villian's range there's not that many hands we get a huge amounts of bets with.

then, you get about as good a flop as you can hope for typically with this kind of hand. i definately raise the flop, if only to take the lead and get a free river if we need it, but probably because we have the best hand. i'd take our hand over villians ABC because we'll know where we stand.

if he has something like AA4, well then it serves you right for playing this hand.
JacKingOff_suit
Sorry I forgot to mention I was the BB. I don't play this junk preflop EP. Will you defend your hand on BB?
navybuttons
QUOTE (JacKingOff_suit @ Thursday, December 21st, 2006, 12:16 PM) *
Sorry I forgot to mention I was the BB. I don't play this junk preflop EP. Will you defend your hand on BB?


whether or not i play this depends on villains trickiness. if he's straightfoward and i can probably outplay him, then i might consider defending since i have a GREAT idea of his hand.

did you check raise the flop?
JacKingOff_suit
QUOTE (navybuttons @ Thursday, December 21st, 2006, 2:23 PM) *
whether or not i play this depends on villains trickiness. if he's straightfoward and i can probably outplay him, then i might consider defending since i have a GREAT idea of his hand.

did you check raise the flop?


Yes I did check-raise the flop.

Btw the table was 8-handed.

I haven't seen villain being tricky.

Speaking of trickiness, do you consider this being tricky?

I got Ah Kh XX on BB. 4 players saw the unraised flop with 9h Tx Jh. EP bet. MP raised. I cold called 2 SBs. Everyone else folded.

Turn Jx. MP bet I raised and MP folded.
navybuttons
QUOTE (JacKingOff_suit @ Thursday, December 21st, 2006, 12:35 PM) *
Yes I did check-raise the flop.

Btw the table was 8-handed.

I haven't seen villain being tricky.

Speaking of trickiness, do you consider this being tricky?

I got Ah Kh XX on BB. 4 players saw the unraised flop with 9h Tx Jh. EP bet. MP raised. I cold called 2 SBs. Everyone else folded.

Turn Jx. MP bet I raised and MP folded.


pretty solid play IMO. you knew what your opponent had, what you could represent, and then you acted on it.

i might 3 bet the flop w/12 outs and 2 interested parties.
checkymcfold
i play it the same and actually cap if 3bet on the flop and go from there. the only hand you can honestly be afraid of here is A4-bigpair or maybe A45, and very few players raise the latter. i don't think most players know to raise like AKK4 either unless it's doublesuited.
navybuttons
QUOTE (checkymcfold @ Thursday, December 21st, 2006, 5:38 PM) *
i play it the same and actually cap if 3bet on the flop and go from there. the only hand you can honestly be afraid of here is A4-bigpair or maybe A45, and very few players raise the latter. i don't think most players know to raise like AKK4 either unless it's doublesuited.


if we check-raise and get 3 bet i think we have to put the breaks on. if we were in position i might be more inclined to cap if 3-bet.
checkymcfold
QUOTE (navybuttons @ Thursday, December 21st, 2006, 7:42 PM) *
if we check-raise and get 3 bet i think we have to put the breaks on. if we were in position i might be more inclined to cap if 3-bet.



i dunno. i'd threebet a LOT of hands with the intention of taking a free card in the villain's position (pretty much anything i'd raise preflop except four broadway cards, and even then i'd raise a big pair here). i think our equity against a normal-ish range is plenty good to cap it up.

to be honest, if we get three bet, i'd mostly assume we're against a now-naked overpair which is 3betting a standard c/r on a flop that busted up a2 and a3.
navybuttons
QUOTE (checkymcfold @ Thursday, December 21st, 2006, 5:45 PM) *
i dunno. i'd threebet a LOT of hands with the intention of taking a free card in the villain's position. i think our equity against a normal-ish range is plenty good to cap it up.


if called, what turn can we lead but a 4 and a K?
checkymcfold
QUOTE (navybuttons @ Thursday, December 21st, 2006, 7:46 PM) *
if called, what turn can we lead but a 4 and a K?



i'm lead/calling any low, cuz if we get counterfeited we have top 2 with a wheel redraw. the only cards on the turn i'd think about checking would be a queen, jack, or deuce.
JacKingOff_suit
Turn (8.5 sb): Qh

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