Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $1/$2
9 players
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Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP2 with K K
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, Hero raises, MP3 calls, 3 folds, BB 3-bets, UTG+1 folds, Hero caps, MP3 calls, BB calls.

Flop: 9 8 5 (13.5SB, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, BB calls.

Turn: J (8.25BB, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP3 raises, BB folds, Hero ???

Villain is 29/9/1.69 after 494 hands.

Turn play? 3-bet a spew? Who just calls down? What sort of range do we put him on here?

i really think youre beat and should just call down.

JJ seems like the only reasonable hand he can have.A lot of players love to just call preflop raises with jacks.

I don't know the math but I don't think we can fold this.

I agree with antistuff. I just call and hope he has QQ or AJ.


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Downsides of posting before Actuary; I am sure he will come by shortly and mathematicaly prove that i suck at limit holdem with 42 different formulas.

Where is Actuary? This thread has been up for like 5 hours!

Call turn, c/c river. Putting in 3 on the turn is a poor option IMO, and I wouldn't want to face a raise on the river, so c/c seems standard.

That's what I did.

this really is a wierdly played hand by the mp3...although i guess we could widen his range to assume he thought u capped preflop to drive him and the bb out...

i cant see any other option being better than c/c though

w/o reading replies...

this guy is sufficiently loose enough to have QT, 67s, 55/88/99. He'd probably 3 bet JJ and 99 often. He could also easily have 89s, J9s, KJ/AJ.

Now, you capped preflop. But no A/K has hit. He could think his QJs is good now. He might have JT. He might have Ah8h.
He's quite aggressive for someone with a 29 VPiP, so semi bluffs are not unreasonable here.

Given his loosness and aggressiveness, you should at least see the river, with 8 outs to beat 2 pair and chance you are against worse hands, like QJ. Accordingly, getting then 13:1, I'm not folding the river against this guy. Given a passive-predictable and tighter opponent preflop or a less semi-bluffable board, maybe we find a turn fold getting 6:1ish to call down. With this cat, I think I want to see SD.

I do fold over pairs sometimes now. Folded AA on a 24T T board when he raised me 3 handed on the turn. He had JJ.

We've all heard about you being outplayed on this hand several times.

Villain had AJ here.

bad time of the month?



score it

all I know is when I've done analysis on hands like this, there are enough villain-hand-combos to justify seeing showdown, given his stats and the board.

o a call down to showdown isnt a question...we are waiting for you to tell us why a 3bet is even better haha

"haha" is right

Well results are up (I've been slacking on coming in here lately), but I would call it down.