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Mattnxtc
Bodog .25/.50 7 handed

Its night time on bodog so its a crazy house

Preflop:
Hero in utg+2 with q icon_suit_heart.gif j icon_suit_club.gif

Action: 2 fold, hero raises, 2 calls, sb folds, bb calls
Pot: 4BB

flop: j icon_suit_diamond.gif 5 icon_suit_club.gif 9 icon_suit_club.gif

Action: 1, check, hero bets, 3 call
Pot: 6BB

Turn: q icon_suit_spade.gif

Action: check Hero bets, mp2 raises, button calls and is ai, bb calls, Hero ?????

Ok so like i said..bodog is a mad house at night with almost all the table donks

Whats my play?
Actuary
3 bet.
big equity, given reads.
Sets raise flop a lot.
You'd 3 bet bottom set right?
Mattnxtc
QUOTE (Actuary @ Saturday, December 16th, 2006, 11:42 PM) *
3 bet.
big equity, given reads.
Sets raise flop a lot.
You'd 3 bet bottom set right?



what do u mean by 3bet bottom set? I think there is a big difference between a set and 2 pair if thats what you mean?
Actuary
QUOTE (Mattnxtc @ Sunday, December 17th, 2006, 12:32 AM) *
what do u mean by 3bet bottom set? I think there is a big difference between a set and 2 pair if thats what you mean?


yeah, guess you're right.
You have 6 more outs vs a Straight with a set.

I just was thinking that Top Two is perty strong...just behind bottm set for showdown value
antistuff
QUOTE (Mattnxtc @ Sunday, December 17th, 2006, 12:32 AM) *
what do u mean by 3bet bottom set? I think there is a big difference between a set and 2 pair if thats what you mean?


from a getting value point of view, not here not really

from a are we getting odds to suckout on a straight point of view, yea big difference
Mattnxtc
QUOTE (Actuary @ Sunday, December 17th, 2006, 12:59 AM) *
yeah, guess you're right.
You have 6 more outs vs a Straight with a set.

I just was thinking that Top Two is perty strong...just behind bottm set for showdown value



o i dont disagree its a stronger hand than most...but when there are 2 players who call 2BB on the turn should we be worried or just chalk that up to stupidity of villians
Actuary
QUOTE (Mattnxtc @ Sunday, December 17th, 2006, 10:12 AM) *
o i dont disagree its a stronger hand than most...but when there are 2 players who call 2BB on the turn should we be worried or just chalk that up to stupidity of villians



depends how donkish it is.
From your read, I'd 3-bet
Most games I play on Stars, I'd just call
Zach6668
QUOTE (Mattnxtc @ Sunday, December 17th, 2006, 1:12 PM) *
o i dont disagree its a stronger hand than most...but when there are 2 players who call 2BB on the turn should we be worried or just chalk that up to stupidity of villians

I wouldn't be worried about the guy who is all-in, it's usually a desperate call with whatever junk he's playing.

BB though, probably has a T, or some other funky 2 pair.

Against MP2 alone we have 46% equity here vs, any 2 pair combo, or straight combo. I didn't even include a hand like AcTc would could be semi-bluffing.

I don't hate a 3-bet here.

If we get capped, can we fold river UI?
Actuary
QUOTE (Zach6668 @ Sunday, December 17th, 2006, 10:56 AM) *
If we get capped, can we fold river UI?


not at Bodog from what I hear
or about any other time with top two in a pot this big
Zach6668
QUOTE (Actuary @ Sunday, December 17th, 2006, 3:34 PM) *
not at Bodog from what I hear
or about any other time with top two in a pot this big

Yeah, I wouldn't fold either.
Mattnxtc
QUOTE (Actuary @ Sunday, December 17th, 2006, 12:34 PM) *
not at Bodog from what I hear
or about any other time with top two in a pot this big



yeah it is pretty bad...im averagin about >6BB/100 right now...

So on the river whats our line if we:

flat call raise and blank hits?
flat call raise and one of draws hits

3bet " " "

it gets capped """"""
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