Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $1/$2
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Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP2 with J J
2 folds, MP1 raises, Hero 3-bets, 5 folds, MP1 caps, Hero calls.

Flop: 2 2 A (9.5SB, 2 players)
MP1 bets, Hero folds.


I beat nothing, right?

easy fold

what made you unsure about this hand?

I run bad.

Also, any thoughts in trying to fold KK, QQ?

Prolly a spew at these, and most levels, although an ace is a huge part of my range, in his eyes.

i kind of figured that from the other hands you posted tonight also.

you make a lot more money from getting him to call you down with kk or qq when you have an ace than trying to get him to fold a pair.

lhe priorities

1) getting value from hands
2) folding when we have the worst hand
3) getting him to fold the best hand

there is a very large gap between 1 and 2 imo.

not that you dont know this, just a friendly reminder to help you through running bad

Reads on MP1?

Most of the time this is a fold, sometimes I might try to get tricky and raise, but we're probably not folding KK-QQ often enough.

it's no where close to an easy fold.

there are 10.5 SB's out there.

He hates that Ace, 12 out of 27 times, assuming he caps AK/QQ/KK always

I can raise flop, folding to a 3-bet, and betting any turn checked and not putting anymore $$ in
Or
I can call flop now and raise a good turn, folding to any more action. To me that has more fold equity and looks stronger than raising the flop which I would not do with an AK or better. It also avoids th mess of getting called on a flop raise and having to continue the facade on the turn
Or
I can fold flop.

If you had the Jspades, I'd consider floating here. Otherwise, I think it's a decent fold, unless he plays too tight here. A LOT of players play too tight here, though. If he's a suspicious player, I'd just fold. This is a H/U battle, so he's much more likely to call down. Your FE is much lower than usually vs. KK/QQ.

But floating this flop is fine if you have the Js

Wang

i think you are overestimating how often we are going to put money in paying off his pair when he doesnt fold or his ace that he might have compared to how often we get him to fold a better hand. there are too many ifs and buts to figure it out exactly but to me it feels extremly close to a little bad, i stay away from those situatinos.

this hand also demonstrates something important to me, and that is the power of capping preflop against certain players oop with a larger range than you would cap with in posistion.

anti,

yesh, if he's capping light here, say with 99/TT and normally with QQ/KK, then it's good when he can represent an Ace and WE DON"T have one. But we do. So we should raise if that is who we are up against.

His lead out here means nothing. AK and AA might even play it trickier.


Wang,

I'm not sure the BD flush, aside from giving some semi bluff chances, makes much differences HU, but if it's close then I tend to call more with it.. for sure.

i think wangs idea is that we might be able to steal if he checks to us on the turn, but our hypothetical bdflush plus set outs gives us a litttle bit of a backup. calling as a semibluff sort of. this could be a good idea, as it lets us try to fold kings and queens for much less money.

i do wonder how much of a difference having a bdflush makes as to trying to do this without it.

yeah, my bad, villain does not know we would only have one spade.

I'l wake up soon

wait... even if wwe don't have Js we can bluff a spade now.
But, I don't think the actual value of a bdfd HU or a semi bluff if we had Js and no spade on turn makes or breaks it

Well, it'd give us 1.5 extra outs vs. KK/QQ/AK when it's clean, plus it'd mean we're not vulnerable to redraws if a J hits on the turn, because we have the Js, obviously.

Occasionally in a situation like this, I'll either raise the flop, or float and bet or raise the turn. But only very occasionally, against the right opponent. I usually do it in bad live games, against pessimistic opponents who cap less often with AK, but more often with JJ---->KK. I did it once last session at the casino, and the guy flashed me KK (I had QQ) before tossing it in the muck. He was weak/tight, and I knew he didn't AK.

The time before that, I looked very, very stupid when I got 3-bet, and shown AA...

Wang