I was surprised to read that Daniel's a fan of Michael Moore. Maybe I wrongly assumed that born again Christianity goes hand in hand with conservatism (that sounds like a jab, but it's not). Well, Daniel, whether you're a liberal or you just enjoy keeping an open mind, it's nice to know that there are some non-Republican (or at least closer to the middle of the road) poker players out there. Maybe tax beliefs make conservatism more accessible to the lifestyle of a poker player, or maybe poker players are a little more self-involved and a little less preoccupied with the rest of the world, but it seems like most card players slant to the right. But that might not be true, either - just the impression that I get.

I don't think its fair to make an assumption like this, about poker players slanting to the right. Thats like saying football players are all liberals, or suburban men are all republicans. Neither are true and you cant figure someones political beliefs from what they do for a living.

I know it was just the impression you got, but be careful of those impressions

I am so sick of michael moore.

check out farenhype 911... I used to love the guy, but over time, and after bowling for columbine I cant stand him. He's exactly what he preaches against.

and also www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com

Canadian Bacon still rules though

You don't seem to understand that that is his point. He wants show you can be the complete opposite and still make sense.

Daniel had posted some comments about racism in the Southern US about a month ago and I was very surprised he made a general comment like that. After reading that comment, I wouldn't be surprised at all to find out he's a fan of Moore's.

His comment led me to believe his opinion is perhaps swayed by the media, just like most of Moore's clones.

Kind of like your 'Jewish agenda in Hollywood' comments a while back? Sounds pretty racist, specifically, anti-semitism.

Your comments hold no weight because you, yourself, are racist.

I guess the word R.A.C.I.S.T. is vulgar on here since it was censored.

Michael Moore = & can

Maybe tax beliefs make conservatism more accessible to the lifestyle of a poker player, or maybe poker players are a little more self-involved and a little less preoccupied with the rest of the world, but it seems like most card players slant to the right.


Most of the ones I know are crazy neo-socialists.

I agree with faketree on this one.

faketree can you please check out the 'Old Mucker' thread.

Would appreciate your input.

Thanks.

lol.... im trippin out man. :shock:

Smash, can you please put your input in on my thread 'THE OLD MUCKER', thanks.

Go read something like " The enemy within" by michael savage...just skip the part where he talks about english being the only language in america...his statements on that are just ignorant and should be taken with a grain of salt...but everything else is just great. Oh and flame away all the liberals who probably despise michael savage with a passion

You have to understand Daniel is from Canada, and they're a bunch of frozen back bacon eatin', beer swillin', tuke wearin' commies up there, eh.

:wink:

Oh and flame away all the liberals who probably despise michael savage with a passion


WE love him actually. He's a fantastic cartoon charictature of conservatives who brings us more voters daily.

Why would we dislike him?

You flip flop more than Kerry lol

I'm never posting here again, I'm back, I'm never posting here again, I'm back lmao

Even though a majority of the United States are Christians and a majority of the United States is liberal?

Agreed. I don't post here often but I have been "observing" since december, but what is with the I am leaving, ok am I am back, I hate you all see you later, now I am back...you must love drama???

Having worked as a political consultant for a long time in DC, I can tell you that Republicans feel exactly the same way about people like Michael Moore. That guy may have helped re-elect GWB in some small degree with all his foaming at the mouth craziness. Just putting his name in a fundraising mailer means millions of dollars to the RNC.

For a guy that worked in politics (and still does to a lesser extent), I myself am pretty agnostic when it comes to parties. In the words of Hunter Thompson, they're both parties of swine at times. But, of course, what fun would politics be without the crazy wingnuts on both sides of the political spectrum? Love 'em.

Shane

I can tell you that Republicans feel exactly the same way about people like Michael Moore.


Of course they do. Mainly because they're just not that bright. When Savage's movie does 100 Million give me a call and we'll compare the two.

Agreed. I don't post here often but I have been "observing" since december, but what is with the I am leaving, ok am I am back, I hate you all see you later, now I am back...you must love drama


Shut the **** up. Have you heard the expression "It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt?"

You just verified it's veracity.

A majority of the US is liberal? I'd be interested to see those statistics. If that is statistically true, I'd be interested to see exactly how the pollers defined liberal.

A majority of the US is liberal?


With absolute certainty.

How could you possibly think otherwise?

Seriously.

In the words of Hunter Thompson, they're both parties of swine at times

Post of the day award for mentioning Hunter.

The majority of the Us is liberal, but the consertive contigency vote in larger numbers (i.e. old people).

LMAO...commies. This coming from someone named Putin!

I don't know. Perhaps it's the red state I live in coloring my nationwide view. I'm not saying it's not true just not something I've believed in the past. I'd like to see the numbers.

Politics/Religion - always start intersting 'coversations' that usually turn into someone getting pissed off or a fight occurring.

Personally I am a Democrat and big Michael Moore fan. I have to say I'm not a Kerry supporter, but definitely think Bush is the biggest idiot on the planet.

Ok I've said my peace.

Actually a majority describe themselves as democrat as opposed to "liberal", but on social issues they tend to lean towards "conservative" positions.

JFK, FDR, etc are one BIG reason why a big majority identify with democrats as a party. However JFK's actual positions on issues are more line with the "compassionate conservatives" of today.

That's the statistical analysis at least. My own personal opinion as a proud member of the NRA is that Moore is a pompus ass.

I worked in politics as well and I really like Michael Moore.
Most Rs just call him a liberal and think that this is enough to discredit him. Huh? There are 2 extremes of political thought....liberal and conservative. Neither are right on every issue. In fact, both are just plain wrong on many many issues.

You can say what you want about Michael Moore, but he is very genuine about his message and cause. 'Bowling for Columbine' was excellent and did a good job about getting his message out.

A usual liberal slip of the tongue.. Hippy.

Could you explain in better detail how the majority of the US is liberal?

Before November I would have believed you, possibly, but it didn't quite work out the way I had hoped, haha.

OK, I can see a lot of opinions on religion and politics about to come out. Let's all 'play nice' and keep the name calling to a minimum in this thread. It'll be tough, but you can do it.

LMFAO I just can't find the words...

"We need an energy bill that encourages consumption."

-President Bush

We could quote Bushisms until World War III and still not be finished. Let's not try.

Vote Suppression.

Thankfully, we have the most intelligent policitian leading our party now, Howard Dean. This guy is the pure nuts.

blog.deanforamerica.org

Don't deny the truth Smash.

Oh, good heavens...

The majority of Americans aren't anything in politics. My life as a political consultant was spent as a VP in a political polling firm. I've seen and conducted literally hundreds of national polls with adults, registered voters, likely voters, etc.. Here are some facts...

1) There is no clear-cut party majority in this country as a whole. Self-identifying Republicans and Democrats are almost even, with a small edge trading back and forth in the data depending on the events of the day. Neither party has 50% (or even that close to 50%) of the loyalty of the American people.

2) Self-identifying liberals are outnumbered by about 2-1 in this country by self-identifying conservatives. This number/ratio shifts moderately in various parts of the country, but outside of San Francisco (without doubt the most liberal metro area in the US), you will almost NEVER find liberals outnumbering conservatives on a state or even county level. Even in Boston (Smash's stomping grounds and a huge Democrat stronghold), people identifying themselves as conservatives outnumber liberals.

By the numbers, conservatives (again, as a self-description) are the largest group of Americans, followed by self-described moderates, with liberals brining up the rear. This isn't a statement of my preference or any kind of judgement -- that's just the data, people.

Of course, someone calling themselves something isn't some kind of ideological litmus test. Some self-described conservatives actually hold moderate or liberal positions on some issues, and visa versa. But when you're talking about how people talk about themselves, the data is pretty clearcut.

Shane

the man said he was reading Moore's book and that he finds him entertaining.

I like reading Al Franken and PJ O'Rourke. They have opposite views, but they are both entertaining. Doesn't mean I'm psychotic, liberal or conservative.

He just mentioned that he liked to read his books. That's all. Not that you should have voted for anyone in particular or that poker players are all... Just let it go.

Don't deny the truth Smash

About what?

The truth is that the GOP is better at exploiting suckers than the DNC is. When that changes, the Democrats will be in power again.

You don't seriously think US politics has anything at all to do with issues on a macro scale, do you?

One of two things will hapen, either the DNC will get better at exploiting suckers, or the GOP wil overeach SO badly that they'll cripple the economy by runing up massive defecits and people will have no choice but to vote them out.

I'm completely unconcerned about the GOP shooting itself in the ass and fallig out of power again, it's essnetially guranateed. I'm more concerned about the SCOTUS appointees Bush is likely to bring to Congress and if the DNC can hold the line there or not. That might actually have some real impact on my life.

Seeing the GOP **** the poor and anyone who isn't white is just par for the course.

, you will almost NEVER find liberals outnumbering conservatives on a state or even county level. Even in Boston


Cambridge (my fair city) is about 47 to 1 self identifying liberal...

Also, as a pollster you're smart enough to realize that people have no idea what "liberal" and "conservative" mean when you poll them, *at all.*

Hence the movement by the DNC to re-freame the term *liberal* as "progressive* and *conservative* as *insane greedy rich bastards willing to sell the soulof their party to the religous right if it means they get a tax cut which cripples the economy*.

Works for me!

Reading that leads me to believe that there is a problem with the system in general. If the government is not a representative of the majority of the people, then does that imply that it is a faulty system?

I personally find it disgusting that this conservative government is making decisions based on their apparent 'mandate' if they don't actually have a mandate

Excellent post. And as a guy who reads polling data like Trump reads the Wall Street Journal, I thank you for all of your polls. Liberals(well, those that call themselves that) are outnumbered because Republicans have worked very hard in the past 10 years to make 'liberal' a dirty word. It's just one school of thought, while the term 'conservative' has gotten off as being the clean, sensible smart school of thought. This country is a bit cooky, in my opinion.

"They misunderestimated me." Best Bush quote of all time....well, close.

"Fool me once....shame...shame on you...(5 second pause of him thinking)...they fooled us once, we can't let them fool us again." Dubya

Do conservatives or liberals make better poker players? I think conservatives do, because they like to cheat to win.

Agreed, plus here is a summary if about 400 Bushisms

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushisms.htm

One of my favorites since I am in Nashville TN is the one at the end of the Fahrenheit 911 ...

"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002

Do conservatives or liberals make better poker players? I think conservatives do, because they like to cheat to win.


Liberals do. Conservatives are full of fear. In point of fact, they could change the term from "conseravtive" to "afraid of change" and it'd be a lot more accurate.

Great point, conservatives = fear

As JFarrell20 is probably the person I find I disagree with the most about poker its not surprising to find him being anti anti Moore and I would assume pro pro Bush.

I always wonder where the people come from that got Bush re-elected, well at least I know of one.

If yer gonna make fun of us, at least spell toque right! But ahhh yes, with beer and bacon, and thick slab of beef on the bbq. The world is a great place to be.

So, are you a FOX Network clone, or a CNN clone?