Im in a $20 O8PL tourney on stars. I am dealt A A 2 9 My chipstack before this hand; 2774. UTG limped in for 150. Her chipstack; 3104. I raised the pot - 525 to 675. Everyone folds including the blinds but UTG called.

The flop was 7 8 10

UTG checked. I bet 900. UTG called. The turn was a K . UTG checked, I pushed my entire stack in. She called. Her hand; A 3 6 K

The river was a K. I lost.

Did I play this hand incorrectly?

i pot the flop 90% of the time. the only exception would be when i was against a tricky player who will play middle connectors. if i get called there, i probably check behind on that turn and hope for a low or board pair.

no. you got your money in by far with the best of it.

This particular person was not a tricky player (which is obvious with her call of no pair, no flush/strait draw and only second low draw on the flop).

However, your suggestion of checking the turn to hope for a board pair would have me ending up in the same situation of being knocked out if I pushed once the board paired.

So are you saying that I should have checked the turn and then folded on river when she bet her trips assuming she would have?

well, i can't imagine the villain here would call a potted flop, but if i checked behind on the turn and then he potted the river i'd probably fold.

what is this crazy talk about checking this turn? this is a get all the money in as fast as you can hand.

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btw... in the future when you post a hand dont post results

if you pot the flop, get called (not raised), and brick the turn, you want to get the money in?

In a tourney, I think there is a good argument for checking the turn: If you assume the player is a thinking player, then they have to put you on AA, and will probably assume you have the flush draw as well. So for them to call the flop means they may well have something (especially as there is a possible str8 on board). If I was low on chips, then I would be playing this as fast as possible; if it is still early in the tournament, I am prepared to sacrifice some current value for future implied value.

in plo8 its safe to assume that the player isnt a thinking player until they prove you otherwise. i think we should tend to make bets under the assumption that they are a moron and will call you far behind here often enough to make up for the once in a while that you arent that far behind.

i really dont understand how you think they can put us on a hand though, we raised preflop and bet the flop heads up. if this means we have at least aces, then we probably shouldnt be raising preflop unless we can get most of our stack in.

I guess I just assumed by posting her hand that it would be obvious she wasn't a thinking player. Instead I will just say... This isn't a thinking player. Now, at that particular time, I was low in chips and thought this was a good time to make my move.

However, in playing O8PL a little more often now, I must admit that I have never run into so many non-thinking players in my life! Any four they play and bet pocket pairs like it's hold'em and two pair on the flop is like gold to them all.

So, in retrospect, I think I'll have to play more timidly in any situation from now on because you just never know what these people are holding or calling with.

Of course I could just be bitter at the moment because right now I'm in a tourney and someone called my raise preflop (I had AA2K) with 334K rainbow and made quads.

Gold....kinda like people raising PF with AAxx. I typically only raise in position and if I can get a large proportion of my opponents stack in the pot...or mine, but I never have small stacks.

I thought he re-raised pf, my bad.

I think the tourney angle still applies though......why put your whole tourney on the line at this stage when your EV from staying in is so much higher?

AAxx is a lot different than AA29 double suited.

You are very lucky that you never have a small stack.

Chamonyx; I think at the time I was thinking that I had the nut low draw, nut flush draw and A's so I wanted to build my stack. I gambled on the turn and lost. I'll have to re-think that move if I find myself in the same situation. My kneejerk reaction probabaly will be th same lol

Not if you miss the flop

The only reason why I never have a small stack is I typically rebuy to max buy in when I lose a pot. I wasnt being a cocky azz here

this thread is crazy. i don't know what you all are talking about. (like i just can't understand what you are saying). i think predator is talking about cash games, others tournaments, and somewhere in there is a HH.

OP: pot the flop, check the turn or shove depending on player. you got your money in good (what exactly did you want i wonder). don't post results.

i don't know that this thread is crazy , but all i was trying to say was just put more succinctly by navybuttons.

so were were discussing AAxx vs AA29 double suited PF no?



Here you mention after the flop. I still stand by my statement that AA29 double suited is a lot better than AAxx PF. As for rebuying; this was a tourney.

Navybuttons; TY I didn't know I wasn't supposed to post results and wont in future! The check on turn vs me pushing pot seems to be the agreed mistake here. That is exactly what I wanted to know which is why I posted "where was my mistake?".

However, like I said previously, I'm not sure I wouldn't do the same thing should this come up again but I will make a conscious effort to question myself when I do.

there was probably no mistake in the way you played this hand.

is villian the kind of person to call off her money as a siginifigant dog? push when you most likely have her in a lot of trouble.

is villian unable to bluff call a flop, smart enough to know you probably have aces and a low, and so tight that they won't call without a made hand or a huge draw? check and wait for a good river.

i don't know what else can be said. we take the read of opponent, the likelyhood of our hand being best vs. the equity of the pot and play accordingly.