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ariloor
I have a couple of questions concerning blind defending and I would really apreciate if someone with killer abilities to blindsteal or defend would give me a couple of pointers smile.gif

First of all I wonder if there is any software that can help me decide what I could defend profitable with vs a pure blindsteal (lets say 40% steal in pokertracker stats).
I have used pokerstove to some degree , but it really just answers me what % I would win the hand, when it often just comes down to releasing the hand on flop or not.
I would never see the past turn anyway with a hand like 10 9 that missed or just had a gutshot going. So the times I would hit 10 or 9 on the river should be removed from the pokerstove answer.

Im just not sure what math i should put into the pokerstove percentages , lets say im in the BB in a 6max game. CO raises (almost never steals and has a 18 % pfr) , button calls 2 bets cold which he does with
30 % of his hands anyway. And im in BB with 10 9 off .. Pokerstove tells me i have aprox 23 % chance of winning the hand.. So based on that number I should call. But if the preflop raiser cont bets a K 6 4 board with 2 clubs ( i have none) , I still have to lay down the hand even though button folded. And even worse , button is a calling station who will peel a lot of hopeless boards (and never raise to protect his hand even if he has got a good hand) will force me to fold even more hands. So im not getting the 23% chance of winning after all since im forced to fold a lot of boards we both miss. Can anyone give me pointers on this? I know there is a lot of IFs to this question but I can work them out with some help. I just want a more "real" value to the Pokerstove numbers, and what I should interpet from them.

In situations where UTG raises 9.8 % (pokerstove) of his hands and its folded to you (6max) , what hands would you play? You are both equally good post flop.


Thanks in advance

Ariloor
Canada
QUOTE (ariloor @ Wednesday, November 29th, 2006, 12:31 PM) *
I have a couple of questions concerning blind defending and I would really apreciate if someone with killer abilities to blindsteal or defend would give me a couple of pointers smile.gif

First of all I wonder if there is any software that can help me decide what I could defend profitable with vs a pure blindsteal (lets say 40% steal in pokertracker stats).
I have used pokerstove to some degree , but it really just answers me what % I would win the hand, when it often just comes down to releasing the hand on flop or not.
I would never see the past turn anyway with a hand like 10 9 that missed or just had a gutshot going. So the times I would hit 10 or 9 on the river should be removed from the pokerstove answer.

Im just not sure what math i should put into the pokerstove percentages , lets say im in the BB in a 6max game. CO raises (almost never steals and has a 18 % pfr) , button calls 2 bets cold which he does with
30 % of his hands anyway. And im in BB with 10 9 off .. Pokerstove tells me i have aprox 23 % chance of winning the hand.. So based on that number I should call. But if the preflop raiser cont bets a K 6 4 board with 2 clubs ( i have none) , I still have to lay down the hand even though button folded. And even worse , button is a calling station who will peel a lot of hopeless boards (and never raise to protect his hand even if he has got a good hand) will force me to fold even more hands. So im not getting the 23% chance of winning after all since im forced to fold a lot of boards we both miss. Can anyone give me pointers on this? I know there is a lot of IFs to this question but I can work them out with some help. I just want a more "real" value to the Pokerstove numbers, and what I should interpet from them.

In situations where UTG raises 9.8 % (pokerstove) of his hands and its folded to you (6max) , what hands would you play? You are both equally good post flop.
Thanks in advance

Ariloor



Here is an excellent 2 + 2 thread on the topic. It's hard to read as all the posters names have been changed to 'Anonymous' but the main poster you are interested in (backdoor) signs his posts 'regards.'

he makes some excellent points and I think even takes it to Mason and comes out in front.

The fact he points out is that if you are strong post-flop hands like K3o are profitable defending against a steal. (He makes the caveat of a 2/3 blind structure)

That said he also mentions that Tommy Angelo (sp) would likely fold QJ there.

In short be aware of the factors that effect the choice to defend, ie opponents steal rate, blind structure, your skill, your opponents skill and come up with a range that you think could be a bit tight. Then over time extend it out and use PT to judge where your sweet spot is based on the above. Its not too important what -we- would play. It's what -you- can play and be profitable with that counts.
CoranMoran
Welcome to the forum.

As you know, the answer to your question is very very situational.
And I think there are many right answers, depending on the Big Blind's playing style.

If you wish to get specific answers, my recommendation would be to post a few specific hands that you think are borderline.
And then see what some of the people here would do.
You can gather the different opinions and see which ones make the most sense for your game.

Personally, I base my blind defense decisions on much more than Villain's preflop-raise-percentage stat.

If I think I can get Villain to fold to postflop aggression, I will defend with a wide range of marginal hands.
On the other extreme, if I notice Villain will call me down with A high or an underpair after raising preflop, I will also defend with a wide range of hands.
Because I see potential profit in taking advantage of both of these types of opponents.

There are many facets of the equation to look at.
That is just one of them.


--CM
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