No_Neck
Monday, November 27th, 2006, 2:10 PM
Alright so here is the deal with have the SB who is a laggy player who has recently learned to control his lagginess and is turning into a really good player. The button is a odd player, I have played probably 30 hours with him and he is a tournament player that hasn't adapted to cash games, he also is a notorious slowplayer of AA and KK. He has lost has stack at foxwoods twice by doing it and hasn't learned. I have been a thorn in his side all night, once I showed my hand (he pushed allin on the flop and I was last to act) and called based on his reaction to my hand, he said it was unfair and we have never done this before (we haven't at the Wednesday game which is much small much more "fun")
blinds are .05/.10 we all have around $50 dollars in front (there is no max buyin)
I have JJ, fold fold, bottom raises .75, SB makes it $1.50, I make it $4.00 small blind is noticable annoyed at the raise, takes a long time and then says "I am allin"
If we take AA and KK out of his range would you make the call?
No_Neck
Monday, November 27th, 2006, 3:06 PM
QUOTE (No_Neck @ Monday, November 27th, 2006, 5:10 PM)

Alright so here is the deal with have the SB who is a laggy player who has recently learned to control his lagginess and is turning into a really good player. The button is a odd player, I have played probably 30 hours with him and he is a tournament player that hasn't adapted to cash games, he also is a notorious slowplayer of AA and KK. He has lost has stack at foxwoods twice by doing it and hasn't learned. I have been a thorn in his side all night, once I showed my hand (he pushed allin on the flop and I was last to act) and called based on his reaction to my hand, he said it was unfair and we have never done this before (we haven't at the Wednesday game which is much small much more "fun")
blinds are .05/.10 we all have around $50 dollars in front (there is no max buyin)
I have JJ, fold fold, bottom raises .75, SB makes it $1.50, I make it $4.00 small blind is noticable annoyed at the raise, takes a long time and then says "I am allin"
If we take AA and KK out of his range would you make the call?
hey 6 people that have looked at this? what do you think?
krup24
Monday, November 27th, 2006, 3:09 PM
I'd have to think that at best we are a flip. I don't hate a call and I don't hate a fold. Is he capable of this w/ 99 or TT?
No_Neck
Monday, November 27th, 2006, 3:17 PM
QUOTE (krup24 @ Monday, November 27th, 2006, 6:09 PM)

I'd have to think that at best we are a flip. I don't hate a call and I don't hate a fold. Is he capable of this w/ 99 or TT?
here is the thing I play very very lag, and since the broncos lost he was very drunk, so I would say he could. But I really never seen him move in preflop like this. Also if we are 50-50 I think I would take the flip because if he loses he will be on Mega Monkey Tilt
yergan
Monday, November 27th, 2006, 4:38 PM
At a home game I see this being either TT, JJ or AK. Outside chance of QQ.
Most home game players tend to hate seeing flops with these hands and will try and get it all over with pre flop.
Against this range you have ~60% equity.
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt
39,382,992 games 0.080 secs 492,287,400 games/sec
Board:
Dead:
equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 62.6208 % 60.34% 02.28% { JcJd }
Hand 2: 37.3792 % 35.10% 02.28% { JJ-TT, AKs, AKo }
If we add in QQ we are still at ~ 50%
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt
49,656,816 games 0.050 secs 993,136,320 games/sec
Board:
Dead:
equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 53.3959 % 51.54% 01.85% { JcJd }
Hand 2: 46.6041 % 44.75% 01.85% { QQ-TT, AKs, AKo }
petersun
Monday, November 27th, 2006, 9:41 PM
Is 0.75 a small raise in your game? I assume yes.
Is the SB capable of acting? I assume no.
Given your read, your image, and the above two assumptions, I think this is a call.
No_Neck
Tuesday, November 28th, 2006, 9:20 AM
QUOTE (petersun @ Tuesday, November 28th, 2006, 12:41 AM)

Is 0.75 a small raise in your game? I assume yes.
Is the SB capable of acting? I assume no.
Given your read, your image, and the above two assumptions, I think this is a call.
at the time, .75 was kind of a large raise. We usually raised it to .50 almost every hand. I just loved how deep stacked this was.
I think this is basically a coinflip one way or another. I called villian showed AQ of hearts and MHIG after all is said and done.
BTW after this hand villian put $200 on the table, I matched it and I got it all with A10 VS T2 on a TT8 flop.
shrimp4789
Tuesday, November 28th, 2006, 11:16 AM
so did he go on mega monkey tilt then? lol before you robbed him of another $200 that is
No_Neck
Tuesday, November 28th, 2006, 11:52 AM
QUOTE (shrimp4789 @ Tuesday, November 28th, 2006, 2:16 PM)

so did he go on mega monkey tilt then? lol before you robbed him of another $200 that is
lol he put it on the table, and btw I think he can should have folded the T2 there. I mean what can you beat maybe an overpair, but he should know I am not risking 2000 big bets with an overpair.
petersun
Tuesday, November 28th, 2006, 12:58 PM
QUOTE (No_Neck @ Tuesday, November 28th, 2006, 11:52 AM)

lol he put it on the table, and btw I think he can should have folded the T2 there. I mean what can you beat maybe an overpair, but he should know I am not risking 2000 big bets with an overpair.
But but but...he hit trips! You can't fold trips can you???!!
Glad you got his money. It's people like him that make the game profitable.
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