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cwik
For whatever reason I did not have poker tracker open on this table, so no reads. simple question, can I value bet this river?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $69.60
Hero: $49.25
Button: $31.20
SB: $100.25
BB: $86.65

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with :6 icon_suit_heart.gif :6 icon_suit_diamond.gif
UTG folds, Hero calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB raises to $2, Hero calls, SB folds.

Flop: :3 icon_suit_club.gif :6 icon_suit_spade.gif :t icon_suit_diamond.gif ($4.5, 2 players)
BB bets $5, Hero calls.

Turn: :4 icon_suit_heart.gif ($14.5, 2 players)
BB bets $10, Hero raises to $22, BB calls.

River: :5 icon_suit_heart.gif ($58.5, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero??
cwik
(side note, I think I shoulda just pushed on the turn, as pretty much anythign that calls the reraise calls $40ish)
simo_8ball
Personally I open raise preflop.

I raise the flop.

I shove the turn.

As played, I definitely value bet, but very small (~$8). Unless he has specifically 77 (and chose not to bet the river) or a fairly odd TT you're good.

Plus any added value of not giving any information by showing down the hand.
krup24
I like preflop and post flop. This is almost definitely JJ-AA from the villian. Occasionally TT. His strong bet on the turn mean he is very strong and he will call a push. Raise all in on the turn and the river doesn't slow you down.
DonkSlayer
QUOTE (cwik @ Monday, November 27th, 2006, 4:07 AM) *
(side note, I think I shoulda just pushed on the turn, as pretty much anythign that calls the reraise calls $40ish)



Well, I'm sorry you lost the hand, but really there's no way you should've, regardless of what happened in the hand.

QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Monday, November 27th, 2006, 5:41 AM) *
Personally I open raise preflop. Yes, we don't open-limp hardly ever playing NL, and NEVER in a SH game.

I raise the flop. Eh. Let's let our bar drop just a tad and then make a call instead. I want him to make a big bet with an overpair or a spiked A on the turn.

I shove the turn. Fine but not necessary. As played with a flop call, shoving the turn gives him a chance to fold that he won't have on the river.
cwik
QUOTE (DonkSlayer @ Monday, November 27th, 2006, 7:21 AM) *
Well, I'm sorry you lost the hand, but really there's no way you should've, regardless of what happened in the hand.


Didn't say i lost the hand, hard to put the oppenent on a 2 or 7 here. Question was, as played, is there more value in just checking it down, value betting ($8-$10 range), or just pushing (roughly $20 left behind me).
petersun
I think as played, you push. If he's calling $8, he's gonna call $20. If you're gonna bet, bet it all.

What do you think he has? A 10?
ChrisRichey
You MUST raise this pf. I am fine with calling the flop in position though. Depending on pot size, pushing on the the turn is fine. As played, push the river.
petersun
QUOTE (ChrisRichey @ Tuesday, November 28th, 2006, 3:48 AM) *
You MUST raise this pf. I am fine with calling the flop in position though. Depending on pot size, pushing on the the turn is fine. As played, push the river.



I tend to agree with the line of raising this pf, but is your reasoning because it's 5-max?
ChrisRichey
QUOTE (petersun @ Tuesday, November 28th, 2006, 8:40 AM) *
I tend to agree with the line of raising this pf, but is your reasoning because it's 5-max?


I will open raise any pp from any pos in shnl. But I will open raise pf with 66 in full ring too.
cwik
I checked it down on the end, but was definitely not close to sure about the decision, as the 5 was a scare card. oppenent showed T9 offsuit, for a very strangely/badly played hand.
petersun
QUOTE (ChrisRichey @ Tuesday, November 28th, 2006, 9:23 AM) *
I will open raise any pp from any pos in shnl. But I will open raise pf with 66 in full ring too.


I don't play much full ring, but that's a little loose for me personally (open raising with 66 in full ring from ANY position). But hey, whatever works for you =)
ChrisRichey
QUOTE (petersun @ Tuesday, November 28th, 2006, 1:33 PM) *
I don't play much full ring, but that's a little loose for me personally (open raising with 66 in full ring from ANY position). But hey, whatever works for you =)


Well depending on table of course. If the table is really LAG, I will certainly limp in EP with 22-66 and see what happens. If it is TAG however, I am raising 55+. Maybe I'm a lagtard, who knows.
petersun
QUOTE (ChrisRichey @ Tuesday, November 28th, 2006, 5:12 PM) *
Well depending on table of course. If the table is really LAG, I will certainly limp in EP with 22-66 and see what happens. If it is TAG however, I am raising 55+. Maybe I'm a lagtard, who knows.


Hey, totally respect your style. In the end, we're all learning to be able to play any two cards in the right situation. The top players all can do that.
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