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shrimp4789
Hero has $49.50
Villian has $333.66
BB has $91.44

Villian is UTG+1
Hero is SB

Hero has 8 icon_suit_club.gif Q icon_suit_diamond.gif

Villian called $1
Hero called $0.50
BB checked.

Flop is T icon_suit_spade.gif 9 icon_suit_club.gif J icon_suit_spade.gif
Hero bet $2
BB folded.
Villian called $2

Turn is 7 icon_suit_club.gif
Hero checked.
Villian bet $5
Hero raised to $10
Villian called $5

River is Q icon_suit_heart.gif
Hero?....

First thing, I am shortstacked, after getting sucked out on, on the previous hand, so yes I know already tongue.gif. Its a full ring $0.50/1 game

So many inconsistanies here its not funny. Flopped the nuts, and led out betting. checked the turn to show weaknes to induce a bluff...which worked, but got the feeling if i had rerased to $15 instead of a min, villian wouldnt call. i knew the min reraise would still show weakness, and would prob have more a chance of being called than than larger reraise....calling was an option yes...

because i had reraised if i checked river, villian would have checked behind. however an extremely scary river card came....any K now had me beat.....very awquard hand, i know i played it....odd....so please feedback lol
Shimmering Wang
QUOTE (shrimp4789 @ Sunday, November 26th, 2006, 11:14 AM) *
(weirdly played hand)


Hammer the river. You're short-stacked, and will get called by a lot of K-less hands.

I'd make it like 18 or 22 on the river.

Wang
leducks2004
check raise all in on the turn
Shimmering Wang
QUOTE (leducks2004 @ Sunday, November 26th, 2006, 12:31 PM) *
check raise all in on the turn


Best answer. Or at least C/R enough to commit yourself fully to the pot. This board is easily the worst of all time for the minimum raise.

Wang
MasterLJ
QUOTE (leducks2004 @ Sunday, November 26th, 2006, 9:31 AM) *
check raise all in on the turn


QFT
No_Neck
QUOTE (shrimp4789 @ Sunday, November 26th, 2006, 11:14 AM) *
Hero has $49.50
Villian has $333.66
BB has $91.44

Villian is UTG+1
Hero is SB

Hero has 8 icon_suit_club.gif Q icon_suit_diamond.gif

Villian called $1
Hero called $0.50
BB checked.

Flop is T icon_suit_spade.gif 9 icon_suit_club.gif J icon_suit_spade.gif
Hero bet $2
BB folded.
Villian called $2

Turn is 7 icon_suit_club.gif
Hero checked.
Villian bet $5
Hero raised to $10
Villian called $5

River is Q icon_suit_heart.gif
Hero?....

First thing, I am shortstacked, after getting sucked out on, on the previous hand, so yes I know already tongue.gif. Its a full ring $0.50/1 game

So many inconsistanies here its not funny. Flopped the nuts, and led out betting. checked the turn to show weaknes to induce a bluff...which worked, but got the feeling if i had rerased to $15 instead of a min, villian wouldnt call. i knew the min reraise would still show weakness, and would prob have more a chance of being called than than larger reraise....calling was an option yes...

because i had reraised if i checked river, villian would have checked behind. however an extremely scary river card came....any K now had me beat.....very awquard hand, i know i played it....odd....so please feedback lol


the min bet on the turn makes me want to cry. I would bet at least $15.
simo_8ball
QUOTE (No_Neck @ Sunday, November 26th, 2006, 6:21 PM) *
the min bet on the turn makes me want to cry.


QFT.
shrimp4789
well thats what i mean, NORMALLY, i would raise it to $15, but I felt villian didnt have enough of the board, and his bet was a bluff. if i raised to 15 i felt he wouldnt call...but the min raise showed weakness..i dunno
nomad_monad
QUOTE (shrimp4789 @ Sunday, November 26th, 2006, 11:44 AM) *
well thats what i mean, NORMALLY, i would raise it to $15, but I felt villian didnt have enough of the board, and his bet was a bluff. if i raised to 15 i felt he wouldnt call...but the min raise showed weakness..i dunno


nah. you're weak/strong thinking is too general. think about it in relation to the board.

if he's got a very weak made hand (like TPTK), he's still not calling the minraise. if he's thinking at all, he has to realize that tons of cards make him even weaker on the river, and that he could already be crushed on the turn.

if he's got a weakish (but still good) hand relative to this board like a set or two pair, he's calling more than a minraise, and thus you lose value. plus you let him draw cheaply to possibly stack you with a boat.

if he's semibluffing to a str8 or flush, yes he'll call. but then he could stack you (or chop with you) if he hits.

if he's got air, he's not calling. he's either folding or pushing. but he'd have to be a super-duper aggro-donk to do the latter given the sequence of actions here. plus, if you think he's that big of an aggrodonk, the better line is to keep leading and let him raise the turn on a bluff. it's easier for aggros to bluff when they only have to bluff once on a street, not twice.


you've induced a bet with your check. now's the time to take it and shovel. you're almost never getting anything else out of the guy unless he has outs to beat you, in which case you shouldn't let him draw so cheaply.
krup24
This is an example of how not to play shortstack poker. Easiest CRAI on the turn ever.
NosotrosUSA
Horrible turn play. As played, shove the river.
fckthis
shove
the
turn


or at least more than a minraise. No weaksauce ****.
shrimp4789
hmm ok thanks for the input guys
Royal_Tour
QUOTE (nomad_monad @ Sunday, November 26th, 2006, 2:00 PM) *
nah. you're weak/strong thinking is too general. think about it in relation to the board.

if he's got a very weak made hand (like TPTK), he's still not calling the minraise. if he's thinking at all, he has to realize that tons of cards make him even weaker on the river, and that he could already be crushed on the turn.


Great lines of advice here.

Shrimp, Sometimes they dont apply to donks at low limits, but by playing with this style of thinking, you're going to maximize your EV more often by taking advantage of players who will call shoves in these situations that you have beat
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