IAGTTAYM
Sunday, November 26th, 2006, 7:25 AM
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (4 handed)
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saw showdownBB ($32.35)
IAGTTAYM ($30.95)Button ($33.80)SB ($9.20)
Preflop: IAGTTAYM is UTG with 9

, A

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IAGTTAYM raises to $0.85, Button calls $0.85,
2 folds.
Flop: ($2.05) 4

, 7

, 9
(2 players)IAGTTAYM bets $1.3,
Button raises to $3.25, IAGTTAYM calls $1.95.
Turn: ($8.55) 9
(2 players)IAGTTAYM checks,
Button bets $4,
IAGTTAYM?Ok, first off: Is my call on the flop ok? I'm getting 3.2-1 ish, but his raise screams strength.I decided to call his raise, and the gin card came on the turn. First of all, is my check any good? Or should I bet out because of the flush/straight draws out there?
Well, I checked and he bet less then half the pot. Sould I now push or make a small raise with hopes of him coming over the top with an overpair/draw?No reads on villian at all.
simo_8ball
Sunday, November 26th, 2006, 8:37 AM
I prefer a slightly smaller raise preflop, but that's personal preference.
I like the flop bet, although I wouldn't object to ~$1.80.
When he reraises there are a couple of options, either call or reraise to about $8. On balance I think calling is better.
I definitely like checking the turn. He has represented a 9 so far, and this is a good opportunity to let him continue to represent.
You need to raise his bet, but I think shoving for $27 seems too much. It's a bit awkward, but I would lean towards making it $12-$14, which gives him poor odds to chase a flush draw. It looks suspicious, but I think it'll get paid off. It could also be seen as an overpair making a raise for information.
As a sidenote unless I made trips/two pair, I would be leading the turn here normally as a modified stop and go play.
NosotrosUSA
Sunday, November 26th, 2006, 2:55 PM
You gave us no reads at all about your opponent.
Anyway, you hit an amazing turn. So now think about how you want to get your entire opponent's stack in by the river. Lets see your options.
1. Flat call turn.
After his $4 bet, he has $22 left and the pot is $12.55. If you call, the pot will be $16.55. You can then value-bet 1/2 pot and maybe he will pay off. However, the board is flushy and you don't want him to get to his club flush for "free" by just calling. So we can eliminate this option.
2. Charge him for a draw by raising. If he's on a flush draw, he's about 4-1 to hit on the river. So you need to raise to give him worse than 4-1 odds and yet not bad enough such that he won't call. A raise to $12 seems good. After your c/raise, pot contains $22.55 and he needs to call $8...giving him slightly under 3-1 odds if he wants to draw to his flush. If he then shoves, of course you happily call. So I think a c/raise to about $12-15 seems to be a nice number.
3. C/raise all-in
Not a terrible choice but I don't think you're maximizing your EV as much as option 2.
Ok, what if you c/raise to $12, he calls and the river completes the flush?? Now, pot is $32 and you both have $14 to play for. I'd check and hope he checks behind. If he shoves, I call, getting over 3-1.
However, you can avoid this difficult spot by c/raising to $14 on the turn. If he calls, then the pot will be $36 on the river with $12 to play for. So whatever comes on the river, you can easily shove since the odds are so good.
So in conclusion, your best play is to c/raise to $14. Just my thoughts. Please critique.
EDIT: I see that Simo is suggesting a turn lead. This is an ok line too. Bet about $6, so that if he calls and the river is a safe one, you can shove for value. However, I feel that you maximize your hand by going for the c/raise on the turn.
simo_8ball
Sunday, November 26th, 2006, 3:16 PM
QUOTE (NosotrosUSA @ Sunday, November 26th, 2006, 10:55 PM)

EDIT: I see that Simo is suggesting a turn lead. This is an ok line too. Bet about $6, so that if he calls and the river is a safe one, you can shove for value. However, I feel that you maximize your hand by going for the c/raise on the turn.
I think you misunderstand me - I was only saying that if the turn was not a 9 or an ace I would be almost always be leading out. On this turn I like the c/r.
NosotrosUSA
Sunday, November 26th, 2006, 3:21 PM
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Sunday, November 26th, 2006, 3:16 PM)

I think you misunderstand me - I was only saying that if the turn was not a 9 or an ace I would be almost always be leading out. On this turn I like the c/r.
What if turn was an overcard? Non-flush one.
simo_8ball
Sunday, November 26th, 2006, 3:32 PM
Generally lead out.
NosotrosUSA
Sunday, November 26th, 2006, 3:41 PM
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Sunday, November 26th, 2006, 3:32 PM)

Generally lead out.
And fold to a raise right?
simo_8ball
Sunday, November 26th, 2006, 4:07 PM
Probably. Depends on villain, but a raise would normally mean you're beat.
fckthis
Sunday, November 26th, 2006, 5:35 PM
Flat call the turn. Donkbet river.
I think its trips vs trips here, or you were severely behind on the flop.
NosotrosUSA
Sunday, November 26th, 2006, 6:02 PM
QUOTE (fckthis @ Sunday, November 26th, 2006, 5:35 PM)

Flat call the turn. Donkbet river.
I think its trips vs trips here, or you were severely behind on the flop.
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