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Zach6668
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Preflop: Hero is MP with A icon_suit_diamond.gif , J icon_suit_diamond.gif .
1 fold, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, Button caps, SB calls, BB calls, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: (20 SB) 7 icon_suit_diamond.gif , A icon_suit_spade.gif , 2 icon_suit_club.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, CO bets, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (12 BB) 8 icon_suit_spade.gif (4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, CO bets, Button calls, BB calls, Hero calls.

River: (16 BB) 5 icon_suit_club.gif (4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, CO bets, Button calls, BB folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 19 BB
homnig
Meh, you're beat but the pots too big to fold I think.
antistuff
so your thinking that co 3 bet you with a weaker ace and the button sucks to much to fold his kings or queens?
Zach6668
QUOTE (antistuff @ Saturday, November 25th, 2006, 8:27 PM) *
so your thinking that co 3 bet you with a weaker ace and the button sucks to much to fold his kings or queens?

stranger things have happened.

Could even be CO sucks too much to get away from his Kings or Queens, and the button may be the same...
antistuff
so against two good players, you think you could fold that flop? or even preflop?

edit: never mind preflop, you cant fold that there with that many players.
homnig
The pot odds have been too good the whole way to fold this at any point.
TheCinciKid
It's really hard to find a place to fold this. The only possibility is the river where we have to overcall, however I think we can probably win this 1 time in 18 so it's probably a decent call.
homnig
QUOTE (TheCinciKid @ Saturday, November 25th, 2006, 11:59 PM) *
It's really hard to find a place to fold this. The only possibility is the river where we have to overcall, however I think we can probably win this 1 time in 18 so it's probably a decent call.



Plus we might commit suicide if we fold the best hand on the river here. Factoring in that with the pot odds, you have to call this.
mikeysong
you can only fold on the river (because we had odds to hit 2pair) if u're confident that button has AQ or AK. You'd have to have a super read to fold that, otherwise odds say call.
Shimmering Wang
Reads would help a little.

I would be leading the flop, calling a raise, and folding the turn U/I in a situation like this much of the time. It's a better option than just closing your eyes and calling down.

And I think folding the turn is likely okay, as well. Once again, depending on the player.

Folding the river is most SURELY okay.

Wang

QUOTE (mikeysong @ Sunday, November 26th, 2006, 5:52 AM) *
you can only fold on the river [/b](because we had odds to hit 2pair) if u're confident that button has AQ or AK. You'd have to have a super read to fold that, otherwise odds say call.


We're drawing to 3 outs max. How do we have the odds to spike a jack?
mikeysong
flop 23:1
turn: 15:1

we've got odds smile.gif
Shimmering Wang
QUOTE (mikeysong @ Sunday, November 26th, 2006, 2:17 PM) *
flop 23:1
turn: 15:1

we've got odds smile.gif


Whoa, I misread the potsize. I thought it was 12 bets on the river, but it was 12 on the turn (16 on the river).

My apologies for the condescencion. At this point it becomes a much closer decision, but calling is profitable in position with the # of players in the pot, maybe. We're getting 15-1 on a 16(ish)-1 shot, if all 3 outs are good. This is still pretty close, because the villian only has to have a set once in a while to make calling unprofitable, even given the 2-4 bets we're apt to pick up on the river. Add in the backdoor fruuushy fruuushy outs (mitigated by the fact that the Ace on board is a spade), and this might ACTUALLY be unprofitable, depending on the players. I now call the turn (as Smash would say, "reverse tilt implied odds" if a J spikes and we're good), but go ahead and muck the river, as played.

Wang
Zach6668
CO shows KK, button shows TT. MHIG.
mikeysong
what's MHIG?

NICE POT SIR

I still think this is the optimal way to play it.
Zach6668
QUOTE (mikeysong @ Monday, November 27th, 2006, 4:18 AM) *
what's MHIG?

NICE POT SIR

I still think this is the optimal way to play it.

MHIG = my hand is good
CoranMoran
It seems very clear to me that Button has a pocket pair under the Ace.
KK-99.
What else can he play this way?
And the idea of Villain calling down multiple opponents the whole way when an Ace flops is not surprising at all.

CO certainly has us beat more often than not.

But I find nowhere to fold this hand.
And I play it exactly the same as you.

--CM
Abbaddabba
How is overcalling the river bad?

The fact that they're just calling on all streets means you're ahead of them nearly 100% of the time.
DonkSlayer
Say we're the CO and for whatever reason we played this hand exactly has he did until the river. Are we betting the river? C/c? C/f?
Zach6668
QUOTE (DonkSlayer @ Tuesday, November 28th, 2006, 3:58 PM) *
Say we're the CO and for whatever reason we played this hand exactly has he did until the river. Are we betting the river? C/c? C/f?

Probably c/c, but I would be worried about the overcall this time.
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