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pokerfan1080
I haven't been at the table very long, no reads.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP ($51.90)
CO ($19.20)
Button ($8.80)
SB ($8.90)
BB ($63.05)
Hero ($48)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T, T.
Hero raises to $1.5, 3 folds, SB calls $1.25, BB calls $1.

Flop: ($4.50) 6, 6, 4 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $4, SB folds, BB raises to $8, Hero calls $4.

Turn: ($20.50) 3 (2 players)
BB bets $8, Hero calls $8.

River: ($36.50) 8 (2 players)
BB bets $40.5, Hero ?
Royal_Tour
hmm., a fair bit goin on here.

I think hero re-raises flop.

if villain push, i fold., If villain calls, i wait to see what he does on the turn. If he checks. I continue to bet, if he smooth calls again i assume he is drawing, or slowplaying a 6.

this will then give u options on the river in position
pokerfan1080
Interesting line, Royal_Tour, never thought of that one.

I've been dabling a bit in $50nl, still playing a little too passive until I get some confidense.

Thanks.
Royal_Tour
QUOTE (pokerfan1080 @ Friday, November 24th, 2006, 10:45 AM) *
Interesting line, Royal_Tour, never thought of that one.

I've been dabling a bit in $50nl, still playing a little too passive until I get some confidense.

Thanks.


Honestly, when you play NL, the biggest thing to remember is you need to have that agressive gamble, But, you also need to be patient and act accordingly.

I find when i play at a limit that is high for me, and a losing session stings, thats when i play solid text book poker.
But, to actually crush a game, and get into the zone where you dominate, that requires the sting to go away.
When i drop a limit, I can run over players, but at times i'll get carried away and make a mistake.
But if u can find that mixture of both, you'll be dominating for sure.
pokerfan1080
QUOTE (Royal_Tour @ Friday, November 24th, 2006, 3:00 PM) *
Honestly, when you play NL, the biggest thing to remember is you need to have that agressive gamble, But, you also need to be patient and act accordingly.

I find when i play at a limit that is high for me, and a losing session stings, thats when i play solid text book poker.
But, to actually crush a game, and get into the zone where you dominate, that requires the sting to go away.
When i drop a limit, I can run over players, but at times i'll get carried away and make a mistake.
But if u can find that mixture of both, you'll be dominating for sure.

Yep, I agree 100%.

I'm crushing the $10nl tables all the time, but get too nervous and out of my game plan when I move up to higher limits. $50nl was well outside good BR management for me right now, but I think trying that helps with your confidence once you have a workable BR for those limits.

One step at time, slow and steady wins the race. I'll get it there eventually.

Edit: speeling error..... lol
No_Neck
yea you need to raise somewhere because you don't know where you are in the hand, on the river you are basically guessing.

If he has done a lot of betting on the river I call if not I fold.
pokerplayer24
Folds good.

3-betting the flop and then folding to the push would be pretty awful. I mean why would you want to fold out all the weaker hands and have the stronger ones either call or push.

Also once you call the turn I think you should have a general plan for the river and or be folding the turn.
Royal_Tour
QUOTE (pokerplayer24 @ Friday, November 24th, 2006, 1:20 PM) *
Folds good.

3-betting the flop and then folding to the push would be pretty awful. I mean why would you want to fold out all the weaker hands and have the stronger ones either call or push.

Also once you call the turn I think you should have a general plan for the river and or be folding the turn.


Again, I am convinced that you are lying about playing the limits you say.

So, you plan to fold the flop?

Let me get this straight, You dont want to raise villain on the flop. Now we call him, and are left with no idea about our situation in the hand.
He leads out again, you want to cal this too?

So instead of investing on the flop and representing a strong hand and taking down the pot, you want to call station our way to the river, where we will have invested the same amount as if we 3-bet the flop, but now must fold to a large river bet.

huh...... i'm not sure i follow
fckthis
Here's how I play it. Raise flop like RT said. Fold if re-raised, and if called, check a blank turn. Hopefully that induces a bluff from a weaker hand. I c/c most river bets, mainly because now the pot isnt that big, and we've set it up to be bluffed at.
petersun
As played, you don't know where you are and can't call this river with any degree of confidence.

You have to make some move during the flop or turn to identify if he has a 6, a pair of 4s (and 3s if you let it go to the turn).

The worst case is you let a pair of 8s hit this river. You can see how the betting fits a pair of 8s.
Zach6668
QUOTE (Royal_Tour @ Friday, November 24th, 2006, 6:50 PM) *
Again, I am convinced that you are lying about playing the limits you say.

You're kidding, right?

Dude's a machine.
krup24
QUOTE (Royal_Tour @ Friday, November 24th, 2006, 3:50 PM) *
Again, I am convinced that you are lying about playing the limits you say.

So, you plan to fold the flop?


He isn't lying. I've watched him play some high stakes LIMIT holdem.
Royal_Tour
QUOTE (krup24 @ Wednesday, November 29th, 2006, 5:08 AM) *
He isn't lying. I've watched him play some high stakes LIMIT holdem.


ahh ok, that makes sense.

considering smash's tournament and NL advice is junk also, i can see why PP24 i's
fleung22
OP, the way you played the hand you can't call the river bet.

You'll have to find a better place to make a bold call.

The betting is a bit suspicous and I'd like to know more about villian's betting patterns. Particularly the min. raise and then the small $8 bet on the turn.

Royal's suggestion is standard and works pretty well. Downside may be that a player who is drawing may come over the top (e.g. straight flush draw or pair with flush draw). With a draw I think you need a pot commiting-type bet to push villian off. Problem is you might be putting all your money in with the worst of it.

As an alternative you might decide to call the check-raise on the flop as you had.

As the villian and seeing somebody call the check-raise I'm going to try and price out the drawing hands with a bigger turn bet. If villian is drawing or playing just a pair I may choose to bet $8 to make it look like I'm sucking you in.

Raise to $20 (I like $25-30 but that's too much of your stack) on the turn after villian bets $8 again. A strong hand (hero's) could slow play in this manner and now you've seen a pretty safe turn card.

Not many low limit players are going to reraise here without something big. This allows you to still fold if there's an all-in reraise...this option gives you more insight in opponent's game` IMO. It may even buy you a free showdown and a winning river card if you're behind.
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