I didn't save the hand history so I'm going to go old skool on here

10./.25 nl 25 max buy in
Full ring game

A-hole Utg +1 (has me covered)
HERO utg +2 (approx 25.00)
A-hole1 Late (17-20)

A-hole UTG +1 raises to one dollar

Hero has K, K and re-raises to 3 dollars

A-hole1 late calls.

Flop comes 8 clubs, q diamonds, 3 of clubs.

not quite sure exactly what two clubs where out there. I know this can play a big difference but I believe the 8 of clubs to be the correct card.

A-hole UTG +1 checks.

Hero Bets the pot which is around 6 dollars

A-hole1 folds.

A-hole pushes all-in. A-hole????????

Calls. Quickly.

call and hope he didnt hit his set or mises his flush

You know I think about this more and more after the fact and I really start to think this is a fold.

With such a big re-raise pre-flop there is no disguising the strength of my hand here so there is basically only two cards you actually put me on A's or Kings. I am percieved as a TAG player although I like to raise in late position to change things up.

For someone to push on me after I bet the flop that to me clearly shows a lot of strength more so than being on a draw. Not to metion I was checked raised here.

I see this a lot with overcards being overplayed and being snapped of by sets.

My question here is that K's or Aces do you go broke with? The flop wasn't overly connected with the only real threat of a drawing hand would be a flush draw.

Does a consistent winning nl player lay this hand down or call as is and assume this is a +EV hand overall that will eventually prove positive down the road?

based on pf action this feels a lot like AKc or QQ, in which case we are slightly ahead or crushed. but given that we are so close to being potstuck i go ahead and call, getting ready to reload.

You're calling $16 into $34.

I think you easily have >32% equity.

You know thanks for pointing that out Simo. I didn't correctly add the pre-flop and post flop amounts correctly.

You know what I had to have bet more than 6 dollars on the flop since there was a little more than 9 pre-flop to begin with.

Even if I had bet .75 to the pot I have pretty much more than half my stack in there so based on what you and nomad mentioned I don't really have a choice but to call this.

Well the A-hole had Queens and snapped me off with a set. Although I had a little over half my stack in there I wonder with the pre-flop betting if I should have folded and just cut my loses and reloaded to the max again.

Um....thats not a huge re-raise pre-flop....well....maybe im a bit more aggressive, but you make it sound like you were pot commited when you wernt.

still a call though

For a .10/.25 cent game I would consider that a decent re-raise but wanting action.

Betting 9 dollars on the flop with 3 invested before pre-flop brings me to 12 with me having around 25 or less. Half my money is already in here. So either way you can build a case based on your read it's a call or fold hand. I doubt very many people would fold in this situation. But at this point when he pushed I am pot comitted.

You're kidding right? A 4x BB raise and you think you should have folded kings? lol, ummm no. Personally, I would have re-raised to maybe $6-$7 to tell him I had a hand and if he wanted to play he needed a hand. might not have called with queens if you had....

That would be read dependent. Why would I re-rasie 6-7 dollars pre-flop to win 1 dollar pre-flop with Kings?? I would encourage a player with a weaker holding to call me.

I would see that kind of re-raise of that amount on a .25/.50 cent game. If he felt he had a stronger hand I assumed he would have re-raised and then we would have pushed pre-flop.

again...i like to be aggressive with big pocket pairs...eliminates chances of being beat by crap cards..so if i win $1.50 with that raise so be it, better than having 6-7 suited call and hitting 2 pair

I agree with you and that is a valid point. A raise of maybe 4 or 5 might have made a difference. But most people at "these" levels do not call what I consider a big bet at these stakes in early position with suited connectors. I would be more inclined to see them call with PP.

I here what you are saying though.

i disagree. this level is full of completely stupid people, tons of them. if they think its a good hand, they wont fold to a smallish raise. even if OOP, they dont care, half dont know what value position has.

but yes, a raise to say $5 may have put a stronger message. guess it really goes on the read of the other player as well though

That is true...He would have called me with whatever I did since he was holding qq so it was just unfortunate that he flopped a set on me.

yup exactly, you had the best of it going into the flop and got unlucky in the end. thats variance. stay aggressive, dont even think about folding kings preflop to a 4x raise, and you should end up on top in the long run

Shrimp...

FYI: I didn't consider folding my Kings pre-flop. I considered folding when the flop hit because I was checked then pushed into.

Remember utg raise to a dollar and I re-raised to 3 and called my pre-flop bet. All the action happened on the flop which is what I had questions on whether it was a call or fold.

That is where I agree I probably should have bet 4-5 dollars pre-flop

I'm not folding QQ to a $4 re-raise in a cash game. Maybe I'm not good.

You got unlucky. AQ will often play this the same way at this level.

Call/unlucky/reload/good luck

This is debatable, it's really a matter of style. Some people like to raise less because they think they are way better postflop than their opponents. Your main goal of not raising too much here is not to suck in people behind you - it's so that the UTG raiser comes along.

But the upside of betting more here (other than to get more value out of 25NL donks) is that it really makes the QQ caller's pf call a surefire loser in the long-run. It destroys his implied odds. He's barely getting the implied odds here to call the $3 raise, although given that your reraising hand range probably includes JJ and AK, he's not strictly calling for set value here. But when you hold KK and he holds QQ, he's going to lose more in the long-run if you make the raise larger. The downside is that if you reraise more with KK, unless you want to set off a betting pattern tell by reraising less with JJ/AK, you end up losing more to QQ if you don't improve on the flop. So it's not definitive either which way, at least not when stacks are this shallow.