SB is TAG player, no reads on BB.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
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Stack sizes:
Hero: $41.15
UTG+1: $79.30
CO: $21.75
Button: $52.05
SB: $56.30
BB: $56.40

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with :q :k
Hero raises to $1.5, 3 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: :4 :t :k ($4.5, 3 players)
SB bets $2.5, BB raises to $7.5, Hero calls, SB folds.

Turn: :8 ($22, 2 players)
BB bets $15, Hero raises all-in $32.15, BB calls.



Results:
Final pot: $86.3

1st of all I think betting 3x preflop wont drive out too many weak holdings. I say 4.5x the bb will usually get out most of the garbage hands and would be easier for you to read your oponnents if you get a call.

flop, your playing against the blinds who could have anything here, not to mention no read on BB... range of hands out there = 2 pair, King worse kicker, pair tens, set (unlinkely since most like to slowplay their sets), other flush draws, open end straight draw, and stone cold bluffs... basically everyother hand you can think of... lol

I think if your going to get it all-in on the turn anyway, why not push it in on the flop and get the most out of your fold equity. plus you get your 2 shots at the flush if your already behind

I think I like your flat call.

What plausible hands would we like to fold here?

• A Small (A Broadway won't fold.)
• AK This hand is possible but not likely, IMHO. I think if AK flat calls preflop he check-raises this flop often. Plus getting this hand to fold isn't a slam dunk.

Trying to push out hands is much more compelling if we have bottom or middle pair with our flush draw. And to a lesser degree, if bottom two pair is plausible.

Can we raise and keep them both in with dominated hands? Maybe, but probably not. We'd put a lot of pressure on the SB to call with anything less than two pair or a huge draw.

Flat-calling allows us to use our positional advantage throughout the rest of the hand.

I see where you're coming from from trying to get a maximum pot here where we've likely got 12-15 outs.....so when the turn blanks, what's our line after the BB bets out?

I think that if you're heads up, I really like the flat call. With the possibility of the SB coming in behind and you having to beat 2 other people in this pot, I'd lean towards trying to get it in on the flop and maybe get heads up.

If you're against 2 opponents, it is unlikely that your hand will win without improvement.

Also, even more so against multiple opponents, you're in a very tough spot if the turn blanks and you're faced with another bet.

As it played out, with the exception of the flat call on the flop, everything is pretty standard. I just am not thrilled with possibly letting the SB come along that cheaply on the flop, so I'd lean towards 3 betting there.

Either shove flop or fold turn.

Maybe it's just me but whenever I'm playing NLHE with blinds under $1 I prefer raising more preflop because lots of players just don't see it as a multiple of BB as much as differential in cost.

Preflop I'd like to see a raise to $2.50 or 3.00.

I would raise on the flop to really define where I am and possibly get a free card on the turn if I miss. I may choose to check the turn regardless of whether I hit or miss just to let my opponents know that a check on the turn doesn't necessarily mean strength or weakness for future hands.

If you are not opposed to the all-in move then the flop was the place to do it. By making the all-in on the turn you're saying that you don't think the pair of Kings is strong enough by itself. The all-in turn bet for the 2nd nut flush draw is a pretty rookie move IMO.

Well, there are a couple points I wanna make here, but over all I do kinda agree I should push the flop, hence the title. First off



This logic doesn't really work, because if I push here and get called I'm gonna need to improve anyways to win the hand, and because I'm on the second nuts draw, if I hit I'll propably have both beat anyways. So my +EV actually goes up have multiple people in the hand.

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Maybe it's just me but whenever I'm playing NLHE with blinds under $1 I prefer raising more preflop because lots of players just don't see it as a multiple of BB as much as differential in cost.

Preflop I'd like to see a raise to $2.50 or 3.00.
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A couple of you said this, and by no means am I saying that it is wrong to play like this, however I don't neccisarly like it. Your right, I'm going to prolley knock out some bad callers, however what I've done is pretty much made it so that anyone who calls me has me beat. What calls 5x raises? Ak, AQ, and pairs, maybe AJ/A10. On the other hand you complain about getting people who don't respect 3x bb raises out, I don't care if I go bust on one buy-in, I think in the long run your gonna win a lot more with KQ vs KT, rather then knocking them out preflop. My standard raise in an unopened $50nl pot is $1.5-$2.(I can also see some reasoning for opening a little bit more in a full game, but I play 6-man almost strickly) Also just of recently I have noticed the on FT that players have been playing extremly more TAG then they used to. I think it is do to play level going up due to the bill passing. But for what ever reasons, less fish means I can steal blinds often for min raises (I don't do this enless I think someone is multitabling and has a VP$IP of <15%).


Lastly, opponent had KT. So on the flop I was about 45%, with the money in the pot my EV is roughly 0. Same is true vs AK. I'm 31% vs a set and have everything else beat.

River bricked.

If you push on the flop, the logic is that you're hoping to be up against one opponent, where you're already ahead or probably have anywhere from 9 to 14 outs to win the pot.

You're fine with that situation. The situation you don't want is to go to showdown against 2 opponents. If you push the flop, then it's unlikely that you'll have to showdown against both opponents.

It's only higher EV to play against 2 opponents IF you hit the draw AND neither the draw was good (not against the nut flush draw) AND neither of them outdraw you after you hit your draw. If those things happen, then having 2 opponents is higher +EV. If not, you'll want to push and get heads up.

The worst posibly case is vs a set and Ax . But that is somewhat unlikely. I think in this case it doesn't really matter if there are one or two oppenents that call. But either way it is most likely that just the BB is gonna call, and anyways we both agree this is a push.

As played, flat call the turn also. The hero over pays $3 or so for his equity in that case. Let's hope we pick up a read.

QTP

I agree with the flat call here on the turn. You have TP/2ndK against a hand that can be anywhere from TPTK down to a set. You could possibly be behind here and I wouldn't risk my whole stack on just top pair here. Hopefully you do get a read on the river and pick up your flush. Hopefully you don't run into the nutz.

In this case you fold the turn?

This is what I dont get.

Most EV=flop.

Least EV=turn

you pushed turn?

The only reason we dont push flop, is if A, we think we have the best hand, or B, will fold to a large turn bet ie pot sized, if we brick.

Flat call the turn here? WHY?!?!!? He would be calling off half of his remaining chips, with the intention of folding if he doens't improve on the river? He's not drawing dead. He either has the best hand or can draw out to make it. There is no reason why all of his money shouldn't have gone in on the flop.

Calling the turn is just retarded. He is facing a $15 bet with $33 total in his stack. He should've pushed the flop when his EV was higher, as fckthis stated. Now that he's made that mistake, he might as well get it in on the turn.

What are you talking about with him getting a read on the river? I think you're on crack with this post, seriously.

You guys might be right about pushing the flop, but flat calling isn't all that bad.

Unless we fold (!?), our equity goes down on a bricked turn. That happens if we push the flop or not. It's possible that we could make a bad decision on the turn that we could've avoided by getting our money in and not making any more decisions.

Please don't ever fold this turn.

--cm