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timwakefield
Hell of an episode. I think Dex has to kill him with his standard methods now. Trinity has been killing kids! I feel like Dexter won't be satisfied until he has Trinity helpless and on a table, begging for his life and admitting to his crimes.


QUOTE (LadyGrey @ Monday, November 30th, 2009, 2:03 PM) *
Quaddrity


While I find this amusing, the truth of the matter is that (were it reality) he would still and forever be called Trinity. The same way the Unabomber was always the Unabomber. Quick test: does anybody know what the Unabomber's name actually referred to?* Long story short, a serial killer gets a nickname and that nickname stays with him, even in spite of evidence proving that his name was actually not correctly descriptive. That's just how it goes with serial killers, in actuality.











*Una, like solo, right? Like he's the lone, solo bomber? Nope. Wikipedia:


"the FBI used the handle "UNABOM" ("UNiversity and Airline BOMber") to refer to his case, which resulted in the media calling him the Unabomber"

Not that the Unabomber's name was a misnomer, but just that a good nickname has incredible staying power. Trinity is forever Trinity. There are some good examples of this that I will try to remember or find (just because it's interesting).
jeff_536
You know she was just making a joke, right?
timwakefield
QUOTE (jeff_536 @ Monday, November 30th, 2009, 5:25 PM) *
You know she was just making a joke, right?


Yes, but I didn't let that stop me from relating it to a semi-interesting factoid about real serial killers. Mainly, I'm just jonesing for my serial killing fix I guess. Dex hasn't killed in weeks!
keith crime
QUOTE (timwakefield @ Monday, November 30th, 2009, 5:33 PM) *
Yes, but I didn't let that stop me from relating it to a semi-interesting factoid about real serial killers. Mainly, I'm just jonesing for my serial killing fix I guess. Dex hasn't killed in weeks!


best ep ever

i was thinking more the gang of four killer - he's only called trinity by the police so far and a lot of times the name isn't coined until the press does it - so far the press know nothing of this case -

the previews show that trinity figures out who dexter is
Mercury69
QUOTE (jeff_536 @ Monday, November 30th, 2009, 5:25 PM) *
You know she was just making a joke, right?


The fact that Tim has mad analytical skillz doesn't preclude him from understanding humour. ;-)
timwakefield
QUOTE (keith crime @ Monday, November 30th, 2009, 6:16 PM) *
he's only called trinity by the police so far and a lot of times the name isn't coined until the press does it - so far the press know nothing of this case -


That is a very valid point. However, 'Trinity' is also just such a good and memorable nickname that I doubt the police force could or would hide that name from the press when the story eventually breaks. And the instant the press hears it they would absolutely freak for a great name like that, and he would be Trinity forever.
vbnautilus
QUOTE (vbnautilus @ Thursday, November 26th, 2009, 10:59 PM) *
Here is my theory on how this will resolve. For reasons discussed, Dexter cannot (easily) kill Trinity. However, he can't leave him out there to torture his family either, and to keep killing people.

My prediction is that he will make a choice that he has never made before: allow Deb to apprehend Trinity. That solves the problem of getting rid of Trinity, leaves Dexter without guilt or blame, and allows Deb's character to complete Lundy's work. The only thing we lose is that Dexter does not get his kill, but forgoing a kill for these other reasons would be a development of his character.


Was thinking this over some more and now maybe it doesn't make sense given the preview from next week showing that Trinity finds out Dexter's true identity. That makes it hard for us to leave Trinity alive. Maybe another suicide attempt is needed?
strategy
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keith crime
dam why wasnt christina's last scene naked?
brvheart
Trinity has some balls. Dex and Trinity are fun to watch this season. Next week should be good.
vbnautilus
This episode was a bit disappointing, probably because they revealed too much in the teaser.

Glad Dexter punched that guy, but I was kind of hoping his relationship with Rita would fall apart. Every time she comes on screen I get annoyed. Oh, and I prefer to call her "Stacy". Looks more like a Stacy to me. Anyways I hope Stacy runs away with the neighbor.

Next one looks great though.
Mercury69
Rita Schmita. She's a skirt-over-the-head- party girl! Wheeeeee!

Loved Trintiy wandering into the cop shop and doing what he did. Serious ballz.
strategy
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keith crime
QUOTE (Mercury69 @ Monday, December 7th, 2009, 4:26 PM) *
Rita Schmita. She's a skirt-over-the-head- party girl! Wheeeeee!

Loved Trintiy wandering into the cop shop and doing what he did. Serious ballz.


i'm sure once you've killed our first 30-60 people you don't get too worked up about many things
strategy
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crowTrobot
QUOTE (vbnautilus @ Monday, December 7th, 2009, 12:02 PM) *
Glad Dexter punched that guy, but I was kind of hoping his relationship with Rita would fall apart. Every time she comes on screen I get annoyed. Oh, and I prefer to call her "Stacy". Looks more like a Stacy to me. Anyways I hope Stacy runs away with the neighbor.



i prefer to call her darla. she was hotter in her buffy/angel days, didn't look quite so anorexic.
keith crime
Remember Deb telling Quinn that she was stupider than him because she was engaged to the ice truck killer - rita makes them both look like brain scientists
strategy
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keith crime
QUOTE (strategy @ Monday, December 7th, 2009, 10:14 PM) *
yeah, okay, rita's a pretty huge idiot. and this is a little awkward.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTPzhnpS_0E


that was actually her only good moment in the history of the show
jeff_536
QUOTE (strategy @ Monday, December 7th, 2009, 6:13 PM) *
I thought it was weird that trinity smiled a little when he was looking at his victims. I expected the opposite.


I think they played it right. Serial killers have their trophies. he probably thought of it as an homage. Plus, he was in his stalking/killer persona, not the nice guy hubby/volunteer.
runthemover
QUOTE (LadyGrey @ Monday, November 30th, 2009, 11:03 AM) *
Someone on that site made a comment that they were intrigured by the Angel/LaGuerta relationship and wondered where it was going, which made me think. There's not much point in them having a successful relationship on this show, there's no drama in that so it doesn't make good watching. That means something bad is probably going to happen to them, quite possibly in the penultimate or final episode of this series. Ideas: one of them might die or be horribly injured, perhaps in trying to bring down Quaddrity (the new name for Trinity presumably, since he kills 4 people per cycle). Or perhaps they break up and it makes for big tensions round the office, maybe one of them gets transferred to get away. Or maybe it all stays perfect and one of them gets transferred anyway. The best option is clearly the first (death/serious injury) since the happy state they are in right now makes for the perfect opportunity to hammer in something tragic ("Oh no, just when they finally found love Angel gets killed, how will LaGuerta cope!?"). The others aren't exciting enough to be big possibilities, but they are options nonetheless. If nothing happens to break them up this series I guess they might be holding off on it til the next season.



QUOTE (LadyGrey @ Monday, November 30th, 2009, 12:19 PM) *
I'd be happy either way. Though I would definitely prefer LaGuerta to die on the condition that Angel would stop wearing those stupid hats and Hawaiian shirts.


looks like it was Angel


QUOTE (keith crime @ Monday, December 7th, 2009, 7:39 PM) *
that was actually her only good moment in the history of the show


you mean other than all the times she's taken her shirt off?



It was so obvious exactly how that episode was going to end. though I guess with the name of it and the preview last week, they weren't exactly hiding that fact. such a filler episode. how crappy. they tried to say it was shocking by adding the one "shocking" moment from this episode into their mini-montage of "shocking" moments but this viewer saw through the lies. filler episode. at least the next one should be good.
keith crime
QUOTE (runthemover @ Tuesday, December 8th, 2009, 1:03 AM) *
looks like it was Angel




you mean other than all the times she's taken her shirt off?



It was so obvious exactly how that episode was going to end. though I guess with the name of it and the preview last week, they weren't exactly hiding that fact. such a filler episode. how crappy. they tried to say it was shocking by adding the one "shocking" moment from this episode into their mini-montage of "shocking" moments but this viewer saw through the lies. filler episode. at least the next one should be good.



yeah but say christine confesses to quinn naked - says she loves him - he tells her to f off and then she blows her head off

then it's a keeper
Mercury69
QUOTE (strategy @ Monday, December 7th, 2009, 6:13 PM) *
I thought it was weird that trinity smiled a little when he was looking at his victims. I expected the opposite.


He's proud of his work

QUOTE (jeff_536 @ Tuesday, December 8th, 2009, 1:03 AM) *
I think they played it right. Serial killers have their trophies. he probably thought of it as an homage. Plus, he was in his stalking/killer persona, not the nice guy hubby/volunteer.


Good point...dissociative personality disorder? Multiples?
vbnautilus
QUOTE (Mercury69 @ Tuesday, December 8th, 2009, 6:45 AM) *
He's proud of his work


Does that fit with why he kills?
brvheart
QUOTE (strategy @ Monday, December 7th, 2009, 5:13 PM) *
I thought it was weird that trinity smiled a little when he was looking at his victims. I expected the opposite.


I agree with this. I thought it would make him sad or angry.
LadyGrey
QUOTE (brvheart @ Tuesday, December 8th, 2009, 4:54 PM) *
I agree with this. I thought it would make him sad or angry.

Why? He is a serial killer. He knows the police are onto him so he wouldn't be surprised to see what they know. It makes sense for him to feel proud surveying his kills. If he didn't enjoy the though of his victims, he wouldn't have those plaques on his wall as trophies to look at everyday. Seeing all those pictures of his victims is even more impressive than a wall of plaques, it shows how prolific he is, all his work on display like art, and to know he had done all those murders would make him feel so powerful. To be standing right there in a police station looking at a display of your murders and knowing you're safe - what a thrill, it's so completely brazen.
brvheart
QUOTE (LadyGrey @ Tuesday, December 8th, 2009, 11:24 AM) *
Why? He is a serial killer. He knows the police are onto him so he wouldn't be surprised to see what they know. It makes sense for him to feel proud surveying his kills. If he didn't enjoy the though of his victims, he wouldn't have those plaques on his wall as trophies to look at everyday. Seeing all those pictures of his victims is even more impressive than a wall of plaques, it shows how prolific he is, all his work on display like art, and to know he had done all those murders would make him feel so powerful. To be standing right there in a police station looking at a display of your murders and knowing you're safe - what a thrill, it's so completely brazen.


I agree with this, if he was a standard serial killer, but Trinity appears, via the scene with the kid in the bunker, to actually need to kill because he's so damaged mentally. It just appears they are trying to have it both ways. Either way, it's definitely brazen.
Mercury69
QUOTE (brvheart @ Tuesday, December 8th, 2009, 12:32 PM) *
I agree with this, if he was a standard serial killer, but Trinity appears, via the scene with the kid in the bunker, to actually need to kill because he's so damaged mentally. It just appears they are trying to have it both ways. Either way, it's definitely brazen.



Maybe so, but that doesn't mean he hasn't adapted and learned how to channel and focus in ways that have helped him evade being noticed for 30 years. And now that Miami Metro has an apparent Trinity in their sights, he probably has put together more pieces of the puzzle than Dexter expects. For example, if Dexter is really trying to extort money, Arthur has something on Dex. If, as I suspect, Trinity has a deeper understanding of things and suspects Dex is more than an extortionist, thereby knowing Dex cannot afford a public confrontation, it would explain why he has no problem coming right into the Homicide department.
strategy
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vbnautilus
I can see both sides of this one. While Trinity does keep trophies, he seems to be re-enacting a trauma rather than hunting for pleasure. The memories of the kills seem to haunt him rather than excite him. But the smile could also just have been at the whole awe of being the center of such an investigation.
Mercury69
It could be that the trauma aspect was simply a catalyst to his own dark desires and now he's so dualistic and conflicted that he resolves it by inhabiting the different personas completly and/but has recently experienced a resurgence of "conscience" that caused the suicide attempt and then a stronger resolve to fulfil his need to perpetuate the killing cycle.
pezeveng
Anyone else get this feeling Quinns going to catch Dexter red handed.
nutzzcase
QUOTE (pezeveng @ Wednesday, December 9th, 2009, 5:56 PM) *
Anyone else get this feeling Quinns going to catch Dexter red handed.

à la James Doakes?...

Damn, I miss him.He was such a good character sad.gif
Mercury69
QUOTE (nutzzcase @ Thursday, December 10th, 2009, 2:52 PM) *
à la James Doakes?...

Damn, I miss him.He was such a good character sad.gif



Same here...so many quotables...

"Take a picture, you sick fuck, it'll last longer"
Theraflu
What? Really?
Belanger25
And with that I think I'm done.
runthemover
QUOTE (Belanger25 @ Sunday, December 13th, 2009, 6:56 PM) *
And with that I think I'm done.


really? I mean it does seem somewhat far fetched to believe they can write something as interesting as we've already seen. we all know that isn't the strong point of the show. I'm not quite sure what new character/storyline would happen. the single dad serial killer thing would seemingly be interesting but as far as an overarching storyline, I have no clue. But, I do think they deserve a chance to see what they'll do.

Now, I don't quite get what you didn't like about the ending there. I thought it was well done. leaving everything nice and happy at the end would've been quite boring at this point. earlier in the series sure but not now. though, it does suck that the hottest chick died.

I didn't quite like the whole "his son is starting dexter's cycle" thing. I guess maybe it'd be interesting if the show was pushed 14 years ahead with Dexter's son having the same feelings as he did.
brvheart
I'm glad they killed Rita. She annoyed me. Now for Debra. Holy crap, she is so terrible. Is there ever going to be an episode of this show where a high ranking official in the police department isn't a sobbing baby?
Belanger25
QUOTE (runthemover @ Sunday, December 13th, 2009, 9:28 PM) *
really? I mean it does seem somewhat far fetched to believe they can write something as interesting as we've already seen. we all know that isn't the strong point of the show. I'm not quite sure what new character/storyline would happen. the single dad serial killer thing would seemingly be interesting but as far as an overarching storyline, I have no clue. But, I do think they deserve a chance to see what they'll do.

Now, I don't quite get what you didn't like about the ending there. I thought it was well done. leaving everything nice and happy at the end would've been quite boring at this point. earlier in the series sure but not now. though, it does suck that the hottest chick died.

I didn't quite like the whole "his son is starting dexter's cycle" thing. I guess maybe it'd be interesting if the show was pushed 14 years ahead with Dexter's son having the same feelings as he did.


There just seemed to be a whole bunch of aspects that I didn't really enjoy. Part of it I still think goes back to the fact that they ****ing killed Doakes early in season two. I just didn't like where they took it. The whole episode was disappointing really, and begs more questions. Maybe it's just me but when Dexter goes into the Mitchell house and the police raid it, how the hell does he get out of there. How did a forensic's agent get into the garage before the swat team? They open the garage and he just happens to be there.

The whole Dexter goes to jail for hit and run bullshit?

I just think they blew it.
runthemover
they're definitely weak in the writing aspect. they do things just to get from A to B without thinking of consequences. very Heroes like. one thing I forgot to add before was about the whole Kyle Butler thing. Is that going to play a part into this season? you'd think it would have to. one of them would say something, right? they should've just had him show up too late to the house. instead they were greedy and wanted to have another "dramatic/tension filled moment"
brvheart
Also, Dexter's fingerprints would have been all over that house. There is no explaining that.
Belanger25
QUOTE (brvheart @ Sunday, December 13th, 2009, 10:08 PM) *
Also, Dexter's fingerprints would have been all over that house. There is no explaining that.


Do they really need to print the house though, they already know it's him.
brvheart
QUOTE (Belanger25 @ Sunday, December 13th, 2009, 11:24 PM) *
Do they really need to print the house though, they already know it's him.


They would have been all over that place with a fine tooth comb.
vbnautilus
The show will be much more enjoyable without Stacey.
brvheart
QUOTE (vbnautilus @ Monday, December 14th, 2009, 12:33 AM) *
The show will be much more enjoyable without Stacey.


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timwakefield
QUOTE (brvheart @ Monday, December 14th, 2009, 12:34 AM) *
They would have been all over that place with a fine tooth comb.


True, but they likely wouldn't be looking for fingerprints. It wasn't a crime scene, it was simply the residence of their suspect. I don't see any reason why they would dust for prints, unless they were trying to match Lithgow to a suspected murder weapon they found in the house. Here's my real winning point though: even if they did dust the countertops for some reason, the first thing they do when analyzing unknown prints is eliminate the officers and analysts who were at the scene and may have inadvertently touched things. It is completely reasonable for Dex's prints to be in the house. I did have some gripes though:

It was fairly unreasonable for Dexter to be at the house, see the SWAT team moving in, and then escape into the garage. He also seemed nonchalant about Trinity's family possibly identifying him on their way out of the house with the cops.

Also, when the hell did Dexter get into Trinity's car? Did I miss that part? Trinity just pulls over and Dexter magically appears out of nowhere, having stolen Trinity's oil cap at another unknown juncture? What did I miss?

I really liked Rita being killed at the end. I kept waiting and waiting for the twist ending and then when I was resigned that it wasn't gonna happen, boom, fucking bloodbath.

I didn't think they were trying to say Dex's son is now gonna be like his dad. Dexter was much older and much, much more understanding of the world around him when his mom was killed. And he spent days locked up in putrid blood. Totally different. I mean, Trinity didn't even know about Dex's past, so it's not like he was trying to recreate it. Presumably it was a coincidence that the baby was just sitting there in a pool of blood, overflown from the tub. Again, lazy, sensationalized writing. I liked Rita's death though. My jaw genuinely dropped. And it leaves them open to do anything next season. You can be pretty sure Dex is gonna stay away from his and Rita's kids though, having just caused Rita's death.
Belanger25
QUOTE (timwakefield @ Monday, December 14th, 2009, 2:33 AM) *
I didn't think they were trying to say Dex's son is now gonna be like his dad. Dexter was much older and much, much more understanding of the world around him when his mom was killed. And he spent days locked up in putrid blood. Totally different. I mean, Trinity didn't even know about Dex's past, so it's not like he was trying to recreate it. Presumably it was a coincidence that the baby was just sitting there in a pool of blood, overflown from the tub.


What I found quite interesting about that was it didn't look like it was a bloody over flow from the bathtub it looked like it was straight blood. It just caught me as weird because it seemed that it was very much contained to where the baby was compared to the rest of the scene.

There were just too many things I didn't like about this episode. I feel like there were too many loose ends that they didn't tie up. There are far too many oddities to me. I just didn't like it.
timwakefield
QUOTE (Belanger25 @ Monday, December 14th, 2009, 4:39 AM) *
What I found quite interesting about that was it didn't look like it was a bloody over flow from the bathtub it looked like it was straight blood. It just caught me as weird because it seemed that it was very much contained to where the baby was compared to the rest of the scene.


Yeah, I added an edit. I should have really said, 'Presumably we were meant to believe that it was a coincidental overflow from the tub,' unless of course they are gonna pick right back up next season and give an explanation or reason for what just happened, beyond 'Trinity killed Rita.'
Mercury69
Catching Arthur: I think they skimmed over the timing issue, somehow, in order to give us a false impression that things were working out for Dexter as he had planned. It appears as though Dex got to the Mustang just prior to Arthur leaving town. How, being that Arthur was in such a hurry? Well, clearly, he was busy having a bath with Rita. This illustrates two things: It's important to pick up your messages and that Dexter rarely considers his quarry smart enough to take the initiative and/or turn the tables on him. He should have been forewarned by Arthur's brazen stroll into the station last episode.

Bleeding Rita: I get the sense that the show may very well remove the kids from the show, leaving Dexter a lone wolf once again...but not without some eyes already on him. I have no idea, of course, but leaving Dexter to be a single dad could be one of the most irritating choices ever.

Also, on a completely unrelated note, I think Dexter is a Jew. Moser could easily be a Jewish name and it was his mom, so that would make Dex Jewish.
LadyGrey
I like Rita dying since I was sick of her whining. The problem is the kids didn't die too. Hopefully Cody, Harrison and little-bitch will go live with their grandparents and Dex will only see them occasionally. However, since they've been building up his family bonds all season, I guess maybe he and Debra will raise them together or something?

For a second I thought they were going to have Trinity get away and continue the plot in the next season. That would have been quite awesome but even more unrealistic than what happened.

I agree with everyone who said the Dex-in-jail, the garage-getaway and the oil-cap-ambush were completely absurd.

Not sure where they'll go from here, but it would be nice to get some old-school Dexter killings happening again, he hardly had any fun this season.
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