I tried searching the forums for any topics about this but didnt find any.

I play mostly live limit games with a kill. Either 5-10 DC or 10-20 holdem and was wondering how the presence of the kill should affect my play. If I win a pot and know that if I win the next pot the kill will be on me should I play tighter. Im not worried about the doubling of the stakes, in fact there is nothing that I love more than when the stakes double, but I feel that calling blind is -ev enough to tighten up when there is a chance that I will get the kill.

For example should I be more willing to fold small pairs in ep knowing that the table is very loose and a little bit passive in spots where I would normally limp and postflop should I be more willing to fold draws that are pretty borderline pot odds wise?

This isnt something I have implemented in my game yet, but I feel that even though I may be only gaining marginal value in spots like this it still would be worth it.

Thoughts?

I have no math to back this up, but do you really think winning two straight 15bb pots or whatever doesn't make up for posting a 1bb blind, in position?

I will always want to win the hand, but I feel that the kills presence just might make marginal calls into folds based on the fact that we would be giving up some dead money on the next hand. Its not like Ill stop playing AA or chasing flush draws.

I see what you mean, and I have no idea what the right answer is.

I've only played in a kill game once (well twice, if you count the fact that it was two different days on the same trip to Caesars Indiana). I really hadn't put a ton of thought into it, but I don't think it should affect your play that much. Your idea slightly less apt to chase marginal hands doesn't really make a ton of sense to me though. I can't really figure the right way to articulate why it doesn't make sense at the moment though. I'll try to give it some thought and get back to you.

a KILL game shouldnt affect your play whatsoever. if you're playing a 4/8 kill game it will play like a more like a 6/12 game so just make sure you're comfortable w/ playing bigger pots than you're used to at 4/8 because the math and strategy does not change. you should still be making the exact same decisions based upon odds and players you are playing against.

i think that was the longest run on sentence ever.

k thx bye.

I like kill games, when the kill is on some payers will be out of the comfort zone and can be pushed around.

Ive never played a kill game before - but from what you're saying it sounds like when you win two in a row the stakes are doubled and you are forced to post a blind in whatever position you're in at the time. So the following is written assuming that...

And it depends.

You should welcome it in late position in a loose passive game if you think you can (under normal conditions) show a profit in the cutoff or button despite having posted. The players have to be really crappy and you have to be really good. It's rare - just like it's rare for someone to be killing a game badly enough to average gains out of the blinds. But it's possible. The kill will double your expected wins or losses.

If you're only a bit better than the rest of the table, you likely will show a loss in the cutoff/button with a post - much like how you expect to lose out of the blinds. So you should be marginally less inclined to get involved in a pot after having won the previous one.

Realistically, this should never be something that you consciously consider. The effect is so small that it's not worth thinking about.

Realistically, this should never be something that you consciously consider. The effect is so small that it's not worth thinking about.
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I play $20/$40 Kill as my regular game and I play exactly the same every hand .... potential kill or not. Most people get excited with a kill and some will even just call preflop in order to ensure there's enough in the pot to turn the kill on (has to be $80 min in the secind hand to turn kill on .... if less, then no kill and potential kill moves to the next hand.

Here (Vancouver), the Kill button does NOT get to act last preflop, they must act wherever they sit as per normal.

that and sometimes ppl fold, so u win FREEEE MONEY!!!!

i've only played 3/6 adn 4/8 kill but damn, some of those people are so scared.

I understand this thinking completely. Every hand is a new hand. Play it like any other.

That being said, I've played two limit kill games in my life (because they were the ONLY game open) and I really don't care for it.

when playing with a kill button, raise your own kill a lot in late position with any two and always raise to isolate the kill if it's not you. you'll steal the blinds or be HU virtually all the time, if my experience is any indication.

and you don't want to win fewer pots to get fewer kill buttons. that's silly.

solid advice! hows chicago?

I used to play primarily kill games in Edmonton and you always raise your kill button if it's on in lp, most of the time you will easily end the pot after the flop and have a nice win for yourself.