1) Buy or build a hand converter and host it on this site.

2) Make conversion a HARD requirement for posting. No conversion, post gets removed. (cant impose 2 until we do 1)

3) Male omission of results a HARD requirement for posting.

4) Make Actuary (and a few other format Nazis) moderators whose only mandate is to reject on the basis of hand converted, and results not show.

Sounds like a sensible idea to have a hand converter, in the strat forum.

One thing though, I'm sure that if Actuary or any other 'Format Nazis' as you say, have any lives away from this forum then they will not appreciate being made to review every post... I still think that job should still be with the moderators.

But the converter is a good idea.

I'd like to publicize my desire to mod strat forums, with respect to my conversion/results nazism.


I read every post in micro, SHLHE, LHE, tons in NL and tons in Tourney, and I have a life.

As for Actuary, he doesn't have a life, so who cares?

Actuary already does it. He rejects posts with scathing sarcasm. A delete button would probably actually save him time, and clean the forums up a lot. I'm not talking about running all posts through him. I'm talking about giving some respected forum members the ability to remove posts that dont meet the format guidelines.

As for the converter, I suggested a long time ago that we should host a converter tool here if we're going to beat on people about using one. In fact, we should integrate it into our forum software. I dont know how extensible our forum software is, but if we had [hand][/hand] tags that converted the contents in between, then this forum would be light-years ahead of competitors.



heh heh...I had you in mind for this if this idea gets traction.

Ok, that's cool then... If people wanna do it then yeah, I'm all for it, because it makes sense. Was just thinking about them really.

There has been times when I have wanted to post a few hands here before and didn't, because I know that it's not appreciated without being converted.

Lets make it happen then!

i offer my time to make a hand converter if someone is willing to help me.

To make this happen, we need the support and assistence of the site administration. I'll poke around and see if I can figure out who needs to be involved.

PM goverantor.

Most of the converters I've seen are based off of one written by a guy from 2+2. If we could get access to that it should be pretty easy to update it/customize it and host it here.

[hand] tags that automatically convert sounds like a good idea but almost every hand needs to be converted after it's edited so that action stops at the critical decision. A "should I push this river" question isn't helpful if we see you pushed the river and villain called (even if the results aren't shown).

The best solution for threads that don't comply is to lock them but allow the OP to edit their post to make it compliant. That way if you want feedback you MUST convert and if you're new/don't know the policy you'd have a chance to fix it.

#1 way to improve stat - DN had this idea way back - get pros to participate. Whether DN or e-dog or lesser know pros or guys like steve7stud or well respected members like BKice, Looshle, etc.

A rating/feedback system where you could give a poster points for a good strat response or subtract points for a lame-assed comment might work too though it'd have to be integrated with the forum.

you know how when you click the little button with the globe to add a link and there is a popup...why not do something like that...can you make a popup with a textarea like that i dont know....

then it would put the hand into the make a post box and you could edit it to your hearts content.



just having a seperate page for it somwhere with a link up on the top by where it says "help search members calendar" would probobly be the most elegant way though.

FTR hand converter is damn easy to use. I convert all my hands except those posted durring play because I don't have the time.

Don't think we need anything like a clamp down here that will only scare noobs away who need the help more.

If you want to do you part, quit replying to unconverted hands or hands with results. Simple.

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FTR converter is very simple.

It's even simple to do a hand by hand.
Just delete names (courtesy)
Replace with posions.
Include Stacks.
Bets
And Give pot size at each Street

5 min Tops

and Zach is right, I have no life.
at least not from 10-7 Mon - Fri.
Hopefully, that changes sooner than later.

the onus is really on the posters. I don't get why people get pissy about actuary telling them something that they don't like, the fact is when you post your hand, people are doing you a favor by replying to it and giving you advice, so the least that people can do is convert their hands so that they can get better advice

Keith,

your reply echoes mine above as well.
If we refuse to help, they will start converting

We're not too far removed from this thread:

"May I suggest we hire one more moderator whose sole pupose is to convert our hands. thank you. Sometimes the converter is broken, or I'm in the middle of a tourney, or 6 tabling, and can't get to it right away."

I think that having a mod for this section is a good idea. As far as posting in strat, or responding to threads. I personally have learned that books like sshe are teaching people to play in a different fashion than I normally would. So my advice would not neccessarily be the best. It would be better to find a winning 5-10 lhe player to give advice on lower limits, as opposed to a winning higher limit player imo.

as far as limit...

Screech left.
Abba's good.
little arrogant and condescending..but that just makes him more loveable.. in a "I want to stab him" kinda way.

PP24 would be nice; except he probably can't teach us his 6th sense reading ability.

Some of us are trying to move into mid/high-stakes, so your advice would be quite welcome.


Oh, and we got Aki back. =)

you and tim and BeanGW were always ther for me...
and chris, iceman, kdawg, smash.. although they were way levels beyond me...ah darn..so many.

it's just a vacuum.
Then again, I don't play much anymore.

I'm gonna post some of my thoughts in this when I get "home". I have a dream, lol.

:holdingbreathface:

I knew you would be excited.

I miss the glory days of the FCP strat forum. I really started reading it mostly at the tail end of that. Now, it's mostly dead. It's really kind of a shame.

anybody who says its dead only has themselves to blame. make a point of responding to a post a day or posting a hand a day.

I agree, I can't believe anyone who says it's dead, simply because the "big names" from years ago don't post anymore. There are still a ton of knowledgeable, winning players posting in each strategy sub forum. It's just they aren't as revered as Smash or WRTO, etc.

good point.

I may have burnt myself out and don't play much.
Furthermore, I felt I needed to grow more before adding anymore value there. More posts != better threads.

Ok. Here's my ideas. Most of these have nothing to do with moderators. But I'm putting them anyways.

The way the forums are divided, it's pretty nice, although I'd make a couple slight changes.

Poker Strategy Forum Subforums:

- General Strategy
- Daniel on Strategy
- Poker Quiz
- Tournament Poker
- Full Ring NL Hold'em
- Short Handed NL Hold'em
- Full Ring Limit Hold'em
- Short Handed Limit Hold'em
- Omaha Hi
- Omaha Hi-Lo
- Stud/Stud 8/Razz
- Draw Games / Other Poker Games

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I've added SHNL, and changed TD to Draw Games. Also, I never check Daniel on Strat, or Poker Quiz, do these still have a use? I have no idea.

We also need to make the function of each forum clear, and get rid of the redundancy, ie, the SH forum stating to post LHE and NL hands in the lobby, but in reality we use it for SH LHE only. Similar to Micro where it doesn't state one or the other very clearly to some.

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I think each forum should have a CLEARLY labelled sticky with the posting rules. Right now, some of them have random threads made by the random posters. We should also, either clearly put in this thread, or a seperate thread, links and instructions to the converters. This is very important, IMO, and it should be standard throughout each forum.

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I think it would be interesting to have a stickied monthly "newsletter" post or something like that where we link to the best posts of the month, similarly to what they do at 2p2. I don't know if we have the volume to support this, at the moment, but I think it would be a good idea, at some point.

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I'm also all for stickying the most important threads in each forum, ie NOFX PUNK's Omaha Strat, Aseem's O8 beginner's guide, and Therrin's Stars 180-man guide.

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I would like to see a few more people have the ability to lock/delete/move posts that are either accidentaly posted in the wrong forum, or spam, etc. I nominate myself for that, but that's up to admin/mods, etc. if they feel it's necessarily. I have no problem with the job KDawg and DNA do, but it wouldn't hurt to just have another one or two who can do this strictly in strat, imo.

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Another idea is to compile a list of FAQ's for some of the more frequented forums. Ie, should I fold AA preflop if 9 players go all in, etc. Meh, just an idea.

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I also say we force Econ_Tim, Screech, WRTO, IceMan, etc back to post and get our forums a bit more mid-high stakes action, lol.

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That's about all I can think of for now, if I have any other dreams, I'll let you guys know.

Thanks for listening.

- Zach


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EDIT - I decided to keep this list above current with the posts in the rest of the thread, so I've removed the Micro LHE board, and changed Draw to Draw/Other Games. Also, with respect to the Micro forum. It's a good idea, but we don't get enough traffic to warrant splitting them up, at this point, IMO. If one day, the traffic skyrockets here, ala 2p2, then we should quickly add both micro NL and LHE forums.

I disagree with none of that, Zach

omaha seems like one forum is enough though...

I think a Micro NL Holdem could be useful as well.

I was thinking about that too. I could go either way on that.


Yeah, I could go with this, or even eliminating the micro LHE section.

This seems more reasonable than adding a NL micro. I realize there are somewhat different strategies involved when comparing micro-limit games to the higher limits, but I don't think we need a separate section. We definitely don't get enough action in the micro-limit section as it is, I dunno why we would make a micro section for NL. Full ring and SH forums for both limit and NL seems like enough hold'em forums IMO.

As for the proposed 'Draw' forum, seems like it would make more sense to just make it the "all other games forum" instead. That way, I might have an 'official' place to post a crazy pineapple hand or two.

I agree on both counts.

If we have one Limit FR and one SH, then all OP's should include the stakes in their posts.

Agreed. This is a rule on 2p2. 95% of the posts include stakes anyways though, dude.

Zach for president?

Btw, I have no problem writing/modifying the standard stickies that will go at the top of each forum, etc. I'd down for pretty much doing anything that will improve this forum.

I never want to leave here for 2p2.

Kudos to Zach for all of this. He and Actuary keep up the best with strat, since I think one or both of them should be given moderator status for the strat forums and this stuff should begin to be implemented.

Cinci,

how was the boat!!

Man, we stay up late....

I caught 2nd wind, railing ivegotta.

I'll be gone soon as I lose another STT
bad run lately..heart not in it

Actuary.

You shoud learn NL cash.

Learn it. Live it. Love it.

I won $2 playing NL cash tonight.
So, yeah, I'm prety much in the house

That's a good start.

I made like $400, and then lost $100 playing tournaments. I gotta fix that leak.

I set myself a goal of having a $1500 BR by the time I go to bed.. I've been stuck between 1400 and 1470 for hours... lol $1454 right now and my tables are dying...

Dunno when you'll see this.

I lost about $50 playing 10/20, game was juicy, and I was up good then took several beats. Then it got short. We played 6-handed, then 4-handed for like an hour before it finally broke and I actually made some of my losses back.

It was a good trip though b/c I won a couple of bets at 3/6 and one bet at 6/12 before I got on the 10/20 table. Oh and while I was waiting for a seat to open up in the poker room I sat down at a Let it Ride table and hit a flush on the first hand letting it ride the whole way. Payed 9-1 and I hit a couple other good hands after that, and ended up leaving that game up like $230.

Ugh... Let It Ride is disgusting.

I'd rather play Tri-Card for entertainment value.

They both blow in the LR though, obv.

one thing you could do....is format the forum so its like no other. when we have our own converter.....make it so that when someone clicks "create new post"...it gives the poster the option of "which site to convert hand from". The user then pastes his/her hand there and post is complete.


makes it kinda manditory, although i assume this is very difficult...and we need to find a programmer who could do it lol...but this site would definately be one of a kind for that.

3-card is definitely more fun. This was the first time I'd ever played Let it Ride. It is actually kinda boring. More fun than doing nothing though I guess. And of course, terrible EV, but I like to gamble.

I'd vote for Acturay and Zach to be strat mods.If there will be a voting.If won't ignore this post.Or don't.

I agree. If they were given mod status, Strat would definitley just be cleaner, if nothing else. And they'd probably filter our bad beat/brag posts within seconds so that we don't have to read that crap.

I second this. The micro stakes thing is silly and decreases traffic to both forums. I think it also intimidates micros players to not post in Limit. Its not like .25/.50 is some radically different game from 5/10.

I don't think we get enough posts for a newsletter type of thing. A sticky at the top of each forum for like a greatest hits sort of thing isnt a bad idea.

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I dont understand what you guys are talking about with the forums needing a mod to look after them and clean them up. While giving Zach and Actuary mod status couldnt hurt (and would be a nice gesture considering all that they offer to the forums), I dont see any out of control problem with garbage posts.

Although if this is needed I do cast my vote for them for whatever thats worth.

I agree that it's not necessarily needed, but IMO it wouldn't hurt. Although the current mods do a great job, obv, we all know they are crazy busy with the GPF and the other parts of the forums, as well as posting themselves, etc.

If I were given the opportunity to be a mod, I'd likely refuse.

I don't feel like having to check my self when a totally offensive sarcastic reply fits best.
And I want everyone to feel firing right back at me, is okeee dokeee, as long as it's funny (which seems to be the sticking point)

thanks!