Okay, I'm willing to give you that Kerry's apparent jab at the troops was nothing more than a botched joke.

But, what was the joke supposed to be? I'm really confused by this..

"You know what happens if you become intellectually lazy..? You end up invading Iraq."

Is that what it was supposed to be? That's about the only mildly comical way I could see it having been intended. Someone clear it up for me, please, if I'm mistaken.

Oh, and there's plenty of topics floating around to discuss politics; I'm discussing humor.

Perhaps it was a jab at Bush's intelligence.

Except that Bush isn't in Iraq. Thus, if that was the case, it wasn't funny.

It was supposed to be a shot at the president, but I am curious what the joke was going to be as well..

I heard the soundbyte on the radio this morning..and when he said the line the people around him actually laughed. Maybe they get it and I don't...

Even if it was a shot at the President, I'm still struggling to connect the dots as to how that's some kind of burn on him. Is that like a Kowboy Koop joke?

Not literally, but he called for the invasion of Iraq; thus, the intellectually lazy jump at the chance to invade Iraq instead of logically reasoning why not to invade Iraq.

no the joke is that if you are dumb and don't study a situation you wind up making horrible decisions like invading iraq and winding up with a quagmire where tons of people die every day

That might be the worst joke I've ever heard, then.

I like my version better; more succinct.

Or maybe, I guess that it's possible I'm so dumb, I should be in Iraq?

Ease up the horses. This isn't a political debate. Take what Kerry said, adjust a few words, and turn it into a joke...and please don't make it something like "If you don't go to school and get an education.....BUSH IS STOOPID"

Apparently, the collegiate are exempt.

Actually.. I still don't really get how that's supposed to be funny. I can see it as a statement of an opinion. "If you end up intellectually lazy, you'll end up walking us into what I believe was an unnecessary war."

I don't see how that's going to bring the house down, really. But, hey, I've never had much of a sense of humor.

I personally would've gone somewhere along the lines of.. "You know what happens when you don't study? And you party all the time? Plod along all day and get a C average? Well, if you're lucky, Dad will buy you a pro baseball team, your brother will toss his weight around and you'll end up running this country into the ground some day.. But, for most of you.... "

I'm a Republican and I could see the humor in that.



Oh, and Alan/Keith, if this becomes another bunch of bickering and verbal jousting about Iraq/Bush, please lock it. Thanks.

Basically, from where I'm standing (that guy in the football stands that looks confusingly at the screen until he notices it's actually him on the big screen), it's just another knee shot to the crotch of the pubby party from another holier than thou libby. You know the type I'm sure; the cool kid in high school who doesn't actually do anything except mock everyone else. Maybe it wasn't meant so much to be funny primarily but more insulting in a tongue in cheek way, which makes it more pathetic than anything.

That's what it seems like to me, but, I really have a hard time believing John "Swiftboat" Kerry would really mock our soldiers. He might've been a grass-smoking hippy, but, I don't think he's a communist.

That's why I'm honestly trying to figure out what he thought was funny.

I'm not bickering - the assumption behind the joke is that Iraq was a huge mistake - if you disagree you obviously aren't going to find it funny - if you think iraq was a really stupid move then he is clearly saying that bush is stupid

he was trying to preach to the converted and misspoke

QFT all around, although I think I would mention oil.

So, If I'm Jewish, I won't find 'Jew jokes' funny?

And I agree with the second part. I think you called it what it appears to be to everyone else; him preaching.


If anyone has any idea where the punchline was, or what it could have been, let me know.

...and I still lost the Presidential race to a supposed bumbling idiot?

ok now you are clearly bickering - its obvious what the joke was meant to be - whether you or anyone else actually thought it was a good joke - is another issue

No, that's exactly the issue. Tell me what's humorous about it? Clue me in here, Keith. I really don't get it.

There's 954 ways he could've made his statement funny and I haven't seen on TV, talked to another person, or read online from any human being that they found what he said amusing, whether they're a Democrat, Republican, Communist, Whig, whatever, but you claim it's obvious.

c'mon Erik, you are hammering home a point that isn't really a solid point.

Whether or not you, or anyone else for that matter, found the "joke" funny doesn't make it any less of a joke, it just makes it an unfunny attempt at humor.

I'm sure before that "joke" by Kerry, you have never heard a comedian or person tell a joke that fell completely flat and nobody laughed at or got.

Kerry's attempt at humor fell flat, was ill-timed and downright stupid and unfunny, but don't ramble on about how you need it explained to you.

He was trying to make a leap of reasoning that poor planning and education can lead you into a world of crap, just like our Prez. (I assume)

Edit: or maybe it was spin by calling it a joke, like when you walk up to a white friend at a club and call him your nigga, then two people over a black guy is glaring at you and you say, "it was a joke homey"

if you don't study you will wind up on the Jerry Springer show
it's the same joke - i never said it was funny but you are feigning ignorance for god knows why

if you want me to bicker here it goes - I DO THINK YOU'RE STUPID IF YOU ARE IN IRAQ - it's a stupid war and you could get killed - I'd be AWOL the first second the possibility of winding up there arose

"aaaahh ya know I went to Yale, was skull & bones, you know..I was smart, real smart..Bush got C's and D's and we ended up in Iraq, and he still won...maaan, I get no respect."

I knew you'd help.

/thread

Wow!

yep there's nothing stupider than killing and dying in an unjust war

FYP

well that's true too - but if it were say WWII i'd at least feel badly about it

haha well done

Edit; Nevermind. Probably okay to lock this up.

the joke is what keith said it was and it was pretty easy to get

Hillary Clinton and Howard Dean didn't think so.

The democrats are such fucking idiots. Their media strategy looks like it was put together by a 1st grader. And not a smart 1st grader, a short bus rider.

If I were chair of the DP here's what I would do:

Put Obama on every cable news channel with the following message: "It's clear that Senator Kerry made a mistake, and he apologized for it. The fact that a few words spoken by a member of the opposing party is the strongest thing the GOP has going for it leading up to these elections speaks volumes about the sad state of their party. There are a lot of people dying every day in Iraq, and that's the last thing the GOP wants on voters' minds. This thing that has dominated a news cycle is zero content and all politics. LET'S TRY TO KEEP OUR EYE ON THE BALL, PEOPLE."

Boom, you turn the politicization of a few words back on the party that really is in utter distress.

you underestimate smart first graders although sadly not the democrats

So, you didn't think it was funny either?

there are a lot of jokes people find funny that are not politically expediant to tell

I'm jewish - hymie town was funny - it was dumb to get caught saying it

No, I TOTALLY did. Get over it, man. It could've been funny.

"It's very important to study hard and do well in school. Unless, of course, you're born into wealth and privilege and your Daddy is director of the CIA... In that case you can become president and lead the country down a path that 2/3 of Americans think heads in the wrong direction."

Etc.

The trouble I think you are having is that Kerry's level of "funny" is too low to register for most people. It was funny to Kerry and his monkeys. That is all you need to know.

Oh Keith..one of these days, I'll understand what the fuck you're talking about and how it all adds up in your head.

I imagine I'll be cutting single letters out of magazine headlines, sitting on the floor of my apartment, in urine soaked briefs with nothing but a lamp, and 32 issues of Time magazine laying around..but, at least I'll understand.



C'mon, Mike, you know me better than that.. I was over it before the first dozen replays of it hit the airwaves.

BTW, it would've made me laugh if he had said that, word for word.

or as done by Eddie Murphy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swso6wwQzNI

Someday i'll stop having to apologize for being educated and ... not going to go there

"educated and..." arrogant?

I knew what Hymietown was referencing.

I thought it was funny though, that in one thread, you could tell me that I wouldn't understand a Bush-bashing joke because I'm a Republican, but you thought Hymietown was funny in spite of the fact you're a Jew. It's the ability to rationalize that in your head that is so striking to me.

And don't believe it's just this one thread that's convinced me we're on two completely seperate wave lengths, sir.

Dems are idiots. Repubs have effed up nearly every way possible, and still they can't get control. Anyway.

For the record, Kerry said, "Education - if you make the most of it and you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

His prepared text stated, "Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intelectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a wat in Iraq. Just ask President Bush."

That's all I've got.

I for one would like you to apologize for having an uncanny ability to recall tons of pop culture knowledge on a moments notice.

I'll demand the apology be done in yiddish though.

I've always found the way I say it to be much funnier.

"Some men are born to greatness, others are given it as a graduation gift."

I should email that to Kerry. You know, just to be helpful.

jesus peace - you implied that you didn't know the reference

i just merely suggested that if someone still thought Iraq was a great mission we'll forever be lauded for they wouldn't get the joke

if we're on different wavelengths its because youre feigning ignorance about Kerry's joke to be difficult - it's so clear what the joke was that if you look at the first reports of the joke by the rightwing newsbusters they claimed that Kerry would claim he was referring to Bush to sidestep his insult of the troops

In reality, the Republican's feigned ignorance, so they could be insulted.

Please, if you think every single republican didn't say to themselves, I know what he meant but man can I hammer this home and make that idiot look bad, well you haven't been paying attention


Ron - I'm a Schmuck you my yenta

I don't disagree with this.

mazeltoff

good peace on fcp

if anyone wants me to hate on the democrats - i'm totally willing to

being gung ho about a war is better to me than being against it and not speaking out because of cowardice or fear for the implications of speaking out

someday John Kerry will have to tell his grandkids that he lost to a guy who took peace and prosperity and reversed it not to mention the fact that he was out during the decade they tried to teach him how to conjugate verbs in high school

Hug me, Keith.

can i squeeze your butt too?