Villian moved to the table recently so no reads

Blinds 120/240, ante 25

Hero: 12,084
Villain: 21,260

Hero is dealt A 8

It's folded to me in the hijack and I raise to 720, villain calls from the CO, everyone else folds.

Pot: 2,000

Flop: Q J 2

I bet 1,300, villain calls.

Pot: 4,600

Turn: K

I bet 3,500, villain jams, what's your play? Anyone check the turn or bet less?

I like it, although I think the turn is usually a check/fold.

Turn you should c/f (or c/c if he bets weakly) but a case can be made for shoving. We've got 13 legit outs if we're behind with plenty of FE. I don't think we're up against AQ/AK or JJ+ as they probably would've reraised pf. Likely nightmare hands are KQ, QJ, KJ, T9, and AT. I think though that on a board this draw-intensive some of those hands would've raised the flop, QJ especially.

I check the turn, personally. Horrible board, aside from the spade draw. You probably have no fold equity against whatever he was willing to call preflop and flop unless you open push (which would be one of those suspicious-type overbets). Call if his turn bet gives you 4:1 pot+implied odds.

Even if he's floated you before, you have to fold to the turn push now. Villain's done a good job of picking off your p-bluffs.

Is a check on the flop okay here too? That’s the line I usually take when I’m OOP heads up with any flush draw in NL. I think the hand is easier to play on a board like this with that line.

As played – fold to the raise. I don’t like the turn bet at all here unless you have a hand. Too many playable hands have you beat here.

I don't mind the flop bet at all - we're taking the lead in the hand and finding out where you're at. You took a shot at taking it down then and there on a nice c-bet/semi-bluff. But once he calls, though, we have to put villain on a hand: What's he calling you on the flop with?

TT/JJ/QQ/KK: Not likely, would RR you pf.

AA: Might be getting tricky with AA pf, but would be pure kamikaze to just smooth call that flop. Not likely.

AK: Not likely. He'd probably RR you pre-flop and would be suicidal for him to call your flop bet with.

AQ: Possible, but not likely. He'd probably raise the flop to see where he's at.

AT: Not likely. Suicidal to call that flop bet with a gutshot - then again, he's in position and can stack you if he hits and you're on something like QK/AK. So possible, but still not likely.

QJ: Draw heavy board making two pair pretty vulnerable, he should realistically raise.

9T: Possible. He had position pf and if he's not a rock, it's in his range from CO.

QK: Definitely possible. Good hand to call with in position. In line with his flop call, to see what the turn brings - not going crazy with just TP on a draw heavy board.

KT: Meh. Possible, I suppose. KT's not a hand I like to play even in position, but doesn't mean villain wont.

Flush draw: Not likely, considering you have two spades.

Considering his range of hands here - you can't beat anything on the turn - and you're drawing slim. It's an easy C/F.

If you felt he was floating you, then shove the turn - I hate the $3,500 bet. If villains floating you, he's shoving anyway - take the play away from him and push yourself if you feel strongly. I doubt it's a float, though - I check fold the turn.

I understand that it’s the standard play. More info is always good and a fold is even better.

I just like checking the flop because I’d really like to see a river card on this board and I think the cheapest way to do that is check/call down. Yeah he could price us out with overbets but that makes the hand easier to get away from.

I guess my point is I don’t want to lose too much of my stack on this hand. As played the villian got almost half his stack in the pot with an Ace high flush draw. C-betting these hands can lead to spewing if you’re not careful and a C-bet on the flop with a check on the turn typically says “I’ve got nothing, take it.”

Just some additional thoughts…

I like the c/c line, and I hadn't really considered it here. c/r ai, certainly, but not c/c.

In hindsight after reading these responses, I like check>shove on the turn.

So my turn bet of 3,500 sucked...and I knew it as soon as villain pushed

So after villain shoved, I had 12 good outs (9 spades + 3 tens) if I called - I'm not quite convinced that I should fold to the push at this point because of what the pot is now offering me:

I can fold and be left with a stack of 6,5K (M of 11+) and back in the pack with about 680 players left or call with a 25% chance to have a stack of 25K and be in the top ten.

Who folds or calls here?

I fold to his shove unless i'm near certain he floated me. M of 11 is still fine to find a better spot.

I don't know about calling. You're getting 2:1 odds with about 25% equity against any reasonable range for villain.

As played - You almost have to call if you want to have a decent sized stack going on. I think you chose to gamble it up with that turn bet and made your decision to go with that hand then so get it all in and GL. What happened?

Edit: I don't play the short stack well so that kind of factors into my decision too. =)

Yeah, I chose to gamble it up to try to get a big chip stack

He had KQ and I bricked the river